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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

But weren't our "stars" the ones who were injured?

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

I think Mason and Murphy SHOULD be the most important players, and they were healthy.

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ORIGINAL: drew

I agree with almost everything you said, except I think you are underrating Coffey. I think he's our best player when everything is taken into account, and he's the only one that has a realistic chance of playing in the NBA.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

I think Mason and Murphy SHOULD be the most important players, and they were healthy.

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ORIGINAL: drew

I agree with almost everything you said, except I think you are underrating Coffey. I think he's our best player when everything is taken into account, and he's the only one that has a realistic chance of playing in the NBA.

I think you're both right.

Coffey has the most upside, but he's also much farther from his ceiling than Mason and Murphy. He has the potential to be our best player, but he's not there yet.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

I think Mason and Murphy SHOULD be the most important players, and they were healthy.

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ORIGINAL: drew

I agree with almost everything you said, except I think you are underrating Coffey. I think he's our best player when everything is taken into account, and he's the only one that has a realistic chance of playing in the NBA.

I think you're both right.

Coffey has the most upside, but he's also much farther from his ceiling than Mason and Murphy. He has the potential to be our best player, but he's not there yet.

So I'm right.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Oturu wasn't named to the All Tourney team due to sportsmanship? He was getting hacked by Tre Jones and all he did was push someone away.....Tre Jones made the team.

I call BS.

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Devonte Fitzgerald is transferring...

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.
Ben Johnson follows Kimani Young out the door. Both of them moved up in the CBB world, so it's hard to say why they left. From my perspective? I wouldn't put up with the in-game abuse they get from Pitino. It's obnoxious and so unprofessional.

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Ben Johnson follows Kimani Young out the door. Both of them moved up in the CBB world, so it's hard to say why they left. From my perspective? I wouldn't put up with the in-game abuse they get from Pitino. It's obnoxious and so unprofessional.

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.
Ben Johnson follows Kimani Young out the door. Both of them moved up in the CBB world, so it's hard to say why they left. From my perspective? I wouldn't put up with the in-game abuse they get from Pitino. It's obnoxious and so unprofessional.

Should Pitino go Pete? You've been around the bench....

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Ben Johnson follows Kimani Young out the door. Both of them moved up in the CBB world, so it's hard to say why they left. From my perspective? I wouldn't put up with the in-game abuse they get from Pitino. It's obnoxious and so unprofessional.

Should Pitino go Pete? You've been around the bench....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.
Ben Johnson follows Kimani Young out the door. Both of them moved up in the CBB world, so it's hard to say why they left. From my perspective? I wouldn't put up with the in-game abuse they get from Pitino. It's obnoxious and so unprofessional.

Should Pitino go Pete? You've been around the bench....

I doubt Pete would do it...he loves the U. Jeter is a really good hire, knows defense---need one more. I think we will miss Young's recruiting, don't know what Johnson brought to the table.

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Ben Johnson follows Kimani Young out the door. Both of them moved up in the CBB world, so it's hard to say why they left. From my perspective? I wouldn't put up with the in-game abuse they get from Pitino. It's obnoxious and so unprofessional.

Should Pitino go Pete? You've been around the bench....

I'm very concerned.

(1) He has little emotional self-control. It's startling to see him throw tantrums on the sideline that I wouldn't tolerate from my 4-year-old. You see the best of coaches throw tantrums once in awhile, but you get the sense that it's "controlled," or intentional, most of the time. Not so with Pitino. And again, seeing him publicly berate and emasculate his assistant coaches -- seemingly for the benefit of the fans sitting behind the bench -- is ridiculous.

(2) Where's the player development? Look at Nate Mason and his 4-year stats. How did he significantly improve other than getting a lot more opportunity and experience? Murphy and McBrayer have improved shooting-wise, for sure, but are they dramatically different players than they were as an underclassman? And then look at all the guys who failed to become even serviceable B1G players. Is Pitino not getting through to the team?

(3) Recruiting misses. Konate. Diedhou. Jamir Harris. Deandre McNeil. The list goes on. I know there's an error rate when it comes to recruiting, but the failures of so many of his guys to even become SERVICEABLE B1G players means you're going to have depth problems.

(4) Coherent system. What's the team's identity? Unless you're one of the blue bloods, you'd better have a solid system and coherent identity, recruit to it, and master it. Look at how a guy like Beilein (or Bo Ryan previously) always seemed to improve over the course of the year, even with young teams. What's Pitino's identity? I have no idea.

(5) Scandal. Some of the past stuff seemed to clear up a little this year, at least until the Lynch debacle. But he's gotta be skating on pretty thin ice with the off-the-court embarrassments over the last few years.

I'm not done with him yet and don't think he should be fired -- yet. But I'm not at all convinced he's a good "coach," in the sense of establishing a system, identifying the right fits for it, and gameplanning to his team's strengths. He's young, so hopefully he can continue learning on the job and recruiting more Murphys and Coffeys and Oturus. But we'll see.

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Ben Johnson follows Kimani Young out the door. Both of them moved up in the CBB world, so it's hard to say why they left. From my perspective? I wouldn't put up with the in-game abuse they get from Pitino. It's obnoxious and so unprofessional.

Should Pitino go Pete? You've been around the bench....

I'm very concerned.

(1) He has little emotional self-control. It's startling to see him throw tantrums on the sideline that I wouldn't tolerate from my 4-year-old. You see the best of coaches throw tantrums once in awhile, but you get the sense that it's "controlled," or intentional, most of the time. Not so with Pitino. And again, seeing him publicly berate and emasculate his assistant coaches -- seemingly for the benefit of the fans sitting behind the bench -- is ridiculous.

(2) Where's the player development? Look at Nate Mason and his 4-year stats. How did he significantly improve other than getting a lot more opportunity and experience? Murphy and McBrayer have improved shooting-wise, for sure, but are they dramatically different players than they were as an underclassman? And then look at all the guys who failed to become even serviceable B1G players. Is Pitino not getting through to the team?

(3) Recruiting misses. Konate. Diedhou. Jamir Harris. Deandre McNeil. The list goes on. I know there's an error rate when it comes to recruiting, but the failures of so many of his guys to even become SERVICEABLE B1G players means you're going to have depth problems.

(4) Coherent system. What's the team's identity? Unless you're one of the blue bloods, you'd better have a solid system and coherent identity, recruit to it, and master it. Look at how a guy like Beilein (or Bo Ryan previously) always seemed to improve over the course of the year, even with young teams. What's Pitino's identity? I have no idea.

(5) Scandal. Some of the past stuff seemed to clear up a little this year, at least until the Lynch debacle. But he's gotta be skating on pretty thin ice with the off-the-court embarrassments over the last few years.

I'm not done with him yet and don't think he should be fired -- yet. But I'm not at all convinced he's a good "coach," in the sense of establishing a system, identifying the right fits for it, and gameplanning to his team's strengths. He's young, so hopefully he can continue learning on the job and recruiting more Murphys and Coffeys and Oturus. But we'll see.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Ben Johnson follows Kimani Young out the door. Both of them moved up in the CBB world, so it's hard to say why they left. From my perspective? I wouldn't put up with the in-game abuse they get from Pitino. It's obnoxious and so unprofessional.

Should Pitino go Pete? You've been around the bench....

I'm very concerned.

(1) He has little emotional self-control. It's startling to see him throw tantrums on the sideline that I wouldn't tolerate from my 4-year-old. You see the best of coaches throw tantrums once in awhile, but you get the sense that it's "controlled," or intentional, most of the time. Not so with Pitino. And again, seeing him publicly berate and emasculate his assistant coaches -- seemingly for the benefit of the fans sitting behind the bench -- is ridiculous.

(2) Where's the player development? Look at Nate Mason and his 4-year stats. How did he significantly improve other than getting a lot more opportunity and experience? Murphy and McBrayer have improved shooting-wise, for sure, but are they dramatically different players than they were as an underclassman? And then look at all the guys who failed to become even serviceable B1G players. Is Pitino not getting through to the team?

(3) Recruiting misses. Konate. Diedhou. Jamir Harris. Deandre McNeil. The list goes on. I know there's an error rate when it comes to recruiting, but the failures of so many of his guys to even become SERVICEABLE B1G players means you're going to have depth problems.

(4) Coherent system. What's the team's identity? Unless you're one of the blue bloods, you'd better have a solid system and coherent identity, recruit to it, and master it. Look at how a guy like Beilein (or Bo Ryan previously) always seemed to improve over the course of the year, even with young teams. What's Pitino's identity? I have no idea.

(5) Scandal. Some of the past stuff seemed to clear up a little this year, at least until the Lynch debacle. But he's gotta be skating on pretty thin ice with the off-the-court embarrassments over the last few years.

I'm not done with him yet and don't think he should be fired -- yet. But I'm not at all convinced he's a good "coach," in the sense of establishing a system, identifying the right fits for it, and gameplanning to his team's strengths. He's young, so hopefully he can continue learning on the job and recruiting more Murphys and Coffeys and Oturus. But we'll see.

It is tricky Pete with McBrayer (stress fracture kept him out almost all of last summer and during the year) and even Coffey (shoulder)...damn weird injuries on them. Harris is a Freshman and has shown flashes. Murphy has improved greatly....the biggest thing for me concerning Pitino is their defense and building the bench.

I don't care who is in the game our defense should be the same......I don't know if that is on Johnson, Young or both. Has Young and Johnson been a boon to our recruiting? I don't think they have so we need a better Xs and Os coach and I think Jeter is that type.

Problem is that if Jeter has success he will take a top job in a year or two but he is a better coach than either that left.

We will have way better depth next year. Way better recruiting year and we need to get Coffey and McBrayer healthy.

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Ben Johnson follows Kimani Young out the door. Both of them moved up in the CBB world, so it's hard to say why they left. From my perspective? I wouldn't put up with the in-game abuse they get from Pitino. It's obnoxious and so unprofessional.

Should Pitino go Pete? You've been around the bench....

I'm very concerned.

(1) He has little emotional self-control. It's startling to see him throw tantrums on the sideline that I wouldn't tolerate from my 4-year-old. You see the best of coaches throw tantrums once in awhile, but you get the sense that it's "controlled," or intentional, most of the time. Not so with Pitino. And again, seeing him publicly berate and emasculate his assistant coaches -- seemingly for the benefit of the fans sitting behind the bench -- is ridiculous.

(2) Where's the player development? Look at Nate Mason and his 4-year stats. How did he significantly improve other than getting a lot more opportunity and experience? Murphy and McBrayer have improved shooting-wise, for sure, but are they dramatically different players than they were as an underclassman? And then look at all the guys who failed to become even serviceable B1G players. Is Pitino not getting through to the team?

(3) Recruiting misses. Konate. Diedhou. Jamir Harris. Deandre McNeil. The list goes on. I know there's an error rate when it comes to recruiting, but the failures of so many of his guys to even become SERVICEABLE B1G players means you're going to have depth problems.

(4) Coherent system. What's the team's identity? Unless you're one of the blue bloods, you'd better have a solid system and coherent identity, recruit to it, and master it. Look at how a guy like Beilein (or Bo Ryan previously) always seemed to improve over the course of the year, even with young teams. What's Pitino's identity? I have no idea.

(5) Scandal. Some of the past stuff seemed to clear up a little this year, at least until the Lynch debacle. But he's gotta be skating on pretty thin ice with the off-the-court embarrassments over the last few years.

I'm not done with him yet and don't think he should be fired -- yet. But I'm not at all convinced he's a good "coach," in the sense of establishing a system, identifying the right fits for it, and gameplanning to his team's strengths. He's young, so hopefully he can continue learning on the job and recruiting more Murphys and Coffeys and Oturus. But we'll see.

It is tricky Pete with McBrayer (stress fracture kept him out almost all of last summer and during the year) and even Coffey (shoulder)...damn weird injuries on them. Harris is a Freshman and has shown flashes. Murphy has improved greatly....the biggest thing for me concerning Pitino is their defense and building the bench.

I don't care who is in the game our defense should be the same......I don't know if that is on Johnson, Young or both. Has Young and Johnson been a boon to our recruiting? I don't think they have so we need a better Xs and Os coach and I think Jeter is that type.

Problem is that if Jeter has success he will take a top job in a year or two but he is a better coach than either that left.

We will have way better depth next year. Way better recruiting year and we need to get Coffey and McBrayer healthy.

Phil, completely agree -- Pitino has faced a lot of adversity with injuries and other stuff. But my concern is that we need to get to the point where we have enough B1G-caliber depth to weather those kind of storms. There's no excuse for how this team bottomed out last year, in Pitino's FIFTH season here. I mean, the games weren't even competitive; they were getting run out of the gym night after night, even with All-B1G guys like Murphy and Mason still healthy. How'd that happen? In my mind, huge recruiting misses and lack of player development, and a serious question about Pitino's ability to motivate and lead.

Young and Johnson have been huge on the recruiting front. But I don't know about the coaching. I think Jeter is an upgrade, and I hope Pitino finds another one. We're all pulling in the same direction here.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Had no idea about the assistant maltreatment.
Speaking as a longtime assistant ... young Mr Pitino would get a private come-to-jeeeeezus meeting after any of that crap.
As was said ... tells you what kind of a man he is.

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Had no idea about the assistant maltreatment.
Speaking as a longtime assistant ... young Mr Pitino would get a private come-to-jeeeeezus meeting after any of that crap.
As was said ... tells you what kind of a man he is.

Last game I went to, he was keeping a running tally of how many points the other team scored on a particular action, and then turning and yelling it to the assistant in charge of the scouting report (I think it was Young). "TWO!!!!" Later, "FOUR!!!!" It eventually got up to 10 or 12. The Hurt dad was commenting on how ridiculous and obnoxious it was, too. (A great sign for RP nabbing the best in-state recruit MN has produced in the last decade, huh? Yeah, don't get your hopes up.)

He also makes snide comments about his players loud enough for the fans behind the bench to hear. Some of them are pretty funny, but you just don't see that kind of stuff from the great ones.

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Young and Johnson have been huge on the recruiting front. But I don't know about the coaching. I think Jeter is an upgrade, and I hope Pitino finds another one. We're all pulling in the same direction here.