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RE: Gopher Football - 11/18/2012 7:44:38 PM   
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I just read the letter.

Very bizarre. AJ is obviously hurting right now. But that's the type of letter you really need to put on the shelf for a while and cool off before hitting that 'publish' button. Because it's very ill advised. It doesn't do him any favors. It comes off as rather obsessive. Coaches trying to be dictators, and not seeing eye to eye with players on injuries is hardly earth shattering news. It could have been patched up, if you just don't do anything impulsive.

Nevertheless this will be interesting how Kill handles this. Because on one hand, we've only heard AJ's side. And I can easily see where they were trying to light a fire under him and tell him to work hard and follow the trainers' advice. And they obviously thought he wasn't doing that. Two sides to every story. We just don't know.

But on the other hand, Kill and the University of Minnesota can't afford to get into a shit throwing contest with AJ just to save face, because that would demean them as well. They need to get their point across, while at the same time not coming off as harsh on AJ, and put this behind them quickly before it takes on a life of its own and starts to affect recruiting.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/18/2012 8:25:18 PM   
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Doggie is having AJ on 1500ESPN tomorrow morning at 9:20 to discuss it. They're trying to get Kill on also. I bet Jerry won't comment on it. Teague already said Jerry tried to reach out to him after email but unable to get in touch.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/18/2012 8:46:33 PM   
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I don't know, but I don't think it was impulsive. Probably been coming to a head for a long time and the last argument was the final straw. I do agree it doesn't put AJ in a favorable light but like the Wash State WR just did, it's kind of a sign of the times and we'll probably see more & more of this stuff throughout college sports. Not every coach is for every player. From the very little I've read, the Barker family seems to be a bit......different/unique/strange.....
AJ was (is) by far our leading WR, but he's also (along with the Olson brothers) fallen into that "oft-injured" category.

I wish AJ...and of course the Gophers....the best in the future.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 8:21:16 AM   
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Whaaaaa whaaaaaa whaaaaaaa! Coach was mean to me, so I'm going to take my ball and go home. Sack up you pussy!

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 8:54:24 AM   
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That's certainly another way to put it.

And I agree. Coaches yelling at players and dogging them is hardly anything new. AJ needed to suck it up and move on.

Or...he could throw a fit on the internet and quit. That would be another approach.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 9:21:59 AM   
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Just a bad deal everywhere.
Obviously the player is extremely upset. Going public seems like either a desperate cry out for attention.
Is Kill blameless? I have no idea.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 9:40:34 AM   
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In this mornings paper, it was reported that AJ was changing his rehab on ankle and not following trainers work out plan.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 10:17:30 AM   
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Here is what I gleaned from Barker’s own words in the Strib.
1.       After missing Barker for 3 games Kill was informed by the trainer that Barker was not following the trainer’s instructions.
2.       Kill blew up at Barker and let him know that when he was ready he would have to work his way back up the ladder to play.
3.       In standard coach protocol, Kill came back after calming down to deliver the tough love pep talk portion to the player.
4.       Barker decides Kill is a hypocrite, throws a world class hissy fit on the internet and quits.
 By Barkers own words this is a case of a player not following instruction, getting chewed out for it and then getting a pep talk after the coach calmed down. He doesn’t make much of a case for anything other than him being a cry baby and a punk ass bitch.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 10:56:47 AM   
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He also talked about the scholarship. Seemed to be a significant part of the problem. Kill is coming on shortly to address this thing. Probably the only other thing I care to hear about going forward. Then it's time to move on.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 11:18:33 AM   
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Maryland to join the big 10. Bizarre.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 11:32:04 AM   
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And Rutgers. Yay. 2 more teams to come in and kick the Gophs around.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 12:13:08 PM   
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So far from the strib:

Gophers football coach Jerry Kill addressed Monday the departure of wide receiver A.J. Barker, who quit the team Sunday and wrote a scathing public letter to the coach.
Kill presented himself as a coach who cares deeply about his players but also demands discipline.
"I don't treat our players any differently than I treat my two daughters," Kill said, "and when I need to be tough on them, I am."
The relationship between coach and player deteriorated Thursday, when they had a confrontation during practice about treatment for Barker's ankle injury. Kill addressed Barker during practice and again afterwards -- the last time the two spoke, Kill said.

"You do not talk to an adult or someone of authority in that voice," Kill said, describing what he told Barker after finding out about his conversation with the training staff.

---This would lead one to believe that according to Kill, Barker not only wasn't following direction, he must have mouthed off to the trainer when called on it.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 1:57:10 PM   
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I say good for Kill.

We have too many smart-mouthed kids who think they know everything.

And unfortunately, they have been raised by parents who not only condone the behavior, accept it when it is directed by their kids to themselves as parents.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 3:16:28 PM   
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From the Pioneer Press:

Jerry Kill said he feels bad that A.J. Barker has quit his football team, and that the coach and receiver didn't have a chance to discuss their differences face to face before the University of Minnesota redshirt junior's dissatisfaction went public.
Barker, the Gophers' leading receiver who sat out the past three games because of an ankle injury, quit the team Sunday and posted his grievances on the Internet.
"It's one of those things that's unfortunate," Kill said Monday, Nov. 19, at a hastily called news conference. "I didn't know nothing about (him wanting to quit). I wish he had come and seen me. Things are a lot easier that way, to me; you always do things face to face on that nature."
Barker on Sunday posted a long letter, ostensibly sent to Kill, explaining why he left the team, where he was a walk-on wide receiver for the past three seasons. The decision to quit, he wrote, was cemented by a confrontation with Kill at the end of practice on Thursday, Nov. 15, over a disagreement over the way his ankle injury -- which Barker described as a high-ankle sprain -- was being treated.
Kill said Monday that Barker was having a "confrontation" with a team trainer that was so loud it drew the coach's attention on the field.
"Usually I kind of let things go because I'm busy," Kill said, "but it got loud, so I called A.J. over and let him know that I wasn't very happy. I can't tell you exactly my words during that time."
Athletics director Norwood Teague said he would talk to Kill about the situation but there would be no discipline, adding that he would "look into" Barker's accusation that an assistant coach called him an anti-gay slur during a practice.
According to Barker's Tumblr blog, Kill told him he would never earn a scholarship at Minnesota, is a "dime a dozen" player and that there was "nothing special" about him. Barker also accused the coach of insulting his family, and said that he had been called the anti-gay slur during a practice.
Of the latter, Kill said Monday, "Nobody's ever done that. Not to my knowledge. I'm not around every single minute, but as far as when I've been around, there's nobody ever done that."
Of insulting Barker's family, Kill said, "I'd be lying to you if I (can tell) you point-by-point what went on in that conversation, but I've never said anything about his family."
"The only thing that I recall, again, is about the training, that it's important that everything you're doing has to be on the same page," he added. "We have to answer to (head trainer) Ed (Lochrie). It's no different than me having epilepsy and having to go see three different neurologists; you get so many people in the loop you don't know what's what. You have to keep people in the loop."
Barker could not immediately be reached for comment on Monday, but he told the Pioneer Press on Sunday night the confrontation came after Kill and the trainer told him he should be healthy enough to play in the Gophers' 38-14 loss Saturday at Nebraska.
"Both he and the trainer felt I should be healthy right now," Barker said Sunday. "They felt that my injury at Purdue (on Oct. 27) shouldn't still have me injured. Coach Kill blew up on me that I should have been ready a week and a half ago. Coach Kill wants to win; there's no doubt about it. I'm not trying to sabotage the team. For me and my future, I just felt it was best to move on now rather than wait two months."
Barker also wrote that Kill told him he would never get a football scholarship at Minnesota, which Kill denied Monday. Barker has 30 receptions for a team-high 577 yards and seven touchdowns but had only one reception prior to this season. Under NCAA rules, bowl-division teams are allowed 85 scholarships a year, and Kill would had to have given Barker a scholarship by the first day of classes, with only this season's victory over UNLV under his belt.
Barker had three catches for 101 yards in that game.
Kill said he didn't know much about Barker when he arrived here from Northern Illinois prior to the 2011 season but that he gave the former DeLaSalle standout a shot after a conversation during two-a-days in August.
"He wanted play and said, 'I'm not really getting an opportunity,' " Kill explained. "I said, 'I'll give you an opportunity; I'm the head coach. I'll tell 'em to get you in there now.' So I'm the guy who gave him the opportunity. I said, 'Get in there and stay healthy; you'll be in good shape.'
"He went to practice and never had any hamstring problems, started (practicing) with the first team and started doing good, and he played in the UNLV game and did a good job there."
Kill said the scholarship issue never came up on Thursday; that, he said, was about Barker's inappropriate attitude with a team trainer.
"I think between the scholarship and my discipline on Thursday probably didn't set very well, and I feel bad," Kill said. "I would have liked the opportunity to visit with him."

To sum up Barker's complaints:
1. Kill didn't give him a scholarship based on 4 career catches before the first class.
2. One of Kill's assistants used a gay slur when chewing out during practice (Oh no not that! No football has done something like that before)
3. Kill yelled him for not following his treatment plan and then getting into an argument with the trainer over it.
4. Kill had the audacity to come back and be positive with him after the fact.

Does this kid get football teams don't have an HR department? As I said before...sack up!

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 3:22:32 PM   
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It's a new generation Tim......best foreman when I worked construction in summers chewed our asses when we screwed up and praised us when we did well.

You can't yell at kids today.....

Instead of telling them it's "my way or the highway"

You have to explain to them why taking the highway together, arm in arm, is in everyone's best interests.

Can't we all just get along......please......

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 3:29:37 PM  1 votes
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Couldn't agree more Miles. The sense of entitlemnet this generation displays is just mind boggling.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 7:12:58 PM   
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The gay slur is over the top but other than that, agree.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 8:08:16 PM   
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Barker overreacted, but he's a young man. We all made mistakes when we were his age. One important thing for maturing is realizing it when you've made a mistake. Too bad no one amongst his friends and family let him know that he was making a mistake.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/19/2012 8:33:33 PM   
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That one is a hard one to get a handle on. In the first place Kill denies ever using a gay slur and claims he has never heard one of his coaches use one. He admits he doesn't hear every word an assistant says to every player in every drill, but he has never heard it. Barker's claim from his rambling Unabomber manifesto is that one of the coaches called him a faggot. The fact is that questioning a players masculinity is pretty standard in the men's coaching repertoire. Not saying I approve, but it is pretty common place.

After reading Barker's full letter, he still hasn't described anything out of the ordinary for a D1 football coach. He is pretty delusional if he thinks this kind of thing isn't common place.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/20/2012 8:37:32 AM   
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My favorite part of the story -- or at least one of them -- is that Chris Kluwe publicly came out in support of Barker. Talk about two peas in a pod...

Sadly for Barker, I can't see anyone who has played major college sports (at least those who weren't quitters like AJ) finding any sympathy for him. He really lost me when he said that he didn't like the way ice made his ankle feel (apparently he wasn't icing like the trainers instructed). Are you SERIOUS, dude?!?!
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/20/2012 9:16:04 AM   
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I don't think Barker realized how this will be his legacy, forever. Potential employers who Google his name in five years will see this. He'll also never be able to use Kill as a reference, which has to be one hell of a get in most MN hiring circles.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/20/2012 9:34:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: panndder

I don't think Barker realized how this will be his legacy, forever. Potential employers who Google his name in five years will see this. He'll also never be able to use Kill as a reference, which has to be one hell of a get in most MN hiring circles.


That's the sad part. Not to go all Sid on this deal, but leaving a good name for yourself at the U would be a big deal in later years. AJ was a great story. Well thought of. A walk on who makes good and makes a contribution. Had he just worked through this little deal...and it is a little deal, he would have finished up his career at the U and been annointed a Golden Boy for life. Welcomed with appreciative nods and handshakes and tributes in all future endeavors. A part of something bigger.

Now whenever someone sees his name they'll just shrug and say "Wasn't he that guy who threw a fit on the internet and left?"

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/20/2012 9:39:37 AM   
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In today's Tribune, story of Brandon Kirksey saying that Kill yelled at him all last year and feels he is a better person today. He is now coaching in DII. Bet he yells at his kids too.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/20/2012 9:58:42 AM   
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Some kids need to be yelled at. College football isn't a spa retreat.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/20/2012 1:14:10 PM   
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And lets be clear: coaching abuse, even psychological, can and does occur, and it's wrong. I've seen little to suggest that's the case here.
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