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RE: NFL News - 12/11/2008 4:05:56 PM   
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Or maybe they are just brainless morons.


Schlereth's generally very, very good IMO.

He's actually my favorite football guy on the planet after Cris Collinsworth.

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RE: NFL News - 12/11/2008 4:14:36 PM   
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If Schlereth is so bright then he would understand the tiebreaker situaton very well.  Maybe it was just a brainfart on his part.

By the way...for tonight only...I am a Saints fan!

Go Brees, Bush and Um...Who else is on their team?

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RE: NFL News - 12/11/2008 4:16:40 PM   
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If Schlereth is so bright then he would understand the tiebreaker situaton very well.  Maybe it was just a brainfart on his part.

By the way...for tonight only...I am a Saints fan!

Go Brees, Bush and Um...Who else is on their team?


Ya, I hear ya.  I'm just saying that that's a rarity if it's the case, IMO.  I really enjoy Schlereth quite a bit.

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RE: NFL News - 12/11/2008 4:28:08 PM   
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Well, I think just about everyone has known this was coming for a couple years now, but still:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3763209

Here's a thought T.O.; Maybe if you tried not to be such a huge dick and instead tried to be more like one of the nicest guys in the league (Witten) then maybe you would be included in those meetings, eh?

BTW, anyone who feels so inclined, please vote for Jason for the ProBowl.  He was 2nd in the voting last I checked and his wife is definitely pushing for him.

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RE: NFL News - 12/11/2008 4:36:02 PM   
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Fahget it.

< Message edited by djskillz -- 12/11/2008 4:48:53 PM >


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RE: NFL News - 12/11/2008 4:40:39 PM   
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Edit: scratch that. 

I didn't realize that voting just ended.  And apparently Jason did win for the NFC.  Good stuff.  F U, T.O.

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RE: NFL News - 12/11/2008 6:07:53 PM   
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Of course I'm presenting the extreme point of view.  I live where the debate about letting go of Favre and going with Rogers goes back and forth.  I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.  I would have kept Favre around 1 more year, and I think he would have found a way to get them into the playoffs. 

The Packers failures this year have very little to do with the QB...  My point....losing Favre is not what hurt them.

Although the Packers' defense has taken a step backwards, just a few weeks ago they were talking about it being on pace to be the highest scoring defense in the history of the NFL, until the last 3 weeks where they have scored ZERO. 

Although Rogers has put up some nice stats, he has been quite poor in the last moments of games.  I do not think Favre, playing with the same guys he had last year, plus Jordy Nelson would have played THAT poorly.  I think Favre would have pulled out some of those games, like has with the Jets, at NE and at Tennessee. 

A run game is NOT just handing off the ball, it IS more effective if the offense is less predictable.  Favre made the offense less predictable by making things happen in the pocket, while Rogers has taken too many sacks, or has thrown picks at the crucial times, or many times gets incompletions after rolling out.  I think Favre would have done BETTER in GB than he has with the Jets because he was more familiar with those players, and was used to the system. 

While I think Favre would have played BETTER in GB than he has with the Jets, I'd have to agree that he probably wouldn't have had as good of season as last year, but you never know.  I think their schedule was tougher this year.

I don't 'love' Favre, nor do I think he is in the same class as Montana, Brady or Elway.  But he IS above average, and likely better than a 1st year starter.  I think Favre WOULD have outplayed Rodgers this year with the same players, they have AWESOME WRs in GB.  Jennings is one of the best in the league, would be the best if he had more size.  Driver is also awesome, but also lacks a little size.  Jordy Nelson has the size, and he and James Jones could be very good in years to come.  

Either Rodgers just lacks experience (very likely), or he might just not be that great in the clutch in close games in the 4th quarter.  He seems like a smart QB, and I fear that he will REALLY take off next year, should things fall into place.  I would agree that the small dropoff in QB play is NOT the biggest reason why the Packers went backwards this year, it IS their defense that has really regressed.  But again, I do think it is likely that Favre would have had them win 9 or 10 games to take the division.   

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RE: NFL News - 12/11/2008 8:47:49 PM   
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ya think the sorry a-- saints packed it in?
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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 6:21:32 AM   
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Schlereth is normally good.  Collinsworth is a pencil-neck jerk

The problem with the Cowboys isn't Owens, it is Romo (and to a lesser extent Witen).

I find it funny that Jones calls out Barber when it is his golden boy QB choking in December AGAIN.  Romo has almost a 1TD to 2 INT ratio in December and a 70 QB rating.  Yet Jones and the media want to blame it on Owens and Barber?

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 9:21:01 AM   
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Schlereth is normally good.  Collinsworth is a pencil-neck jerk

The problem with the Cowboys isn't Owens, it is Romo (and to a lesser extent Witen).

I find it funny that Jones calls out Barber when it is his golden boy QB choking in December AGAIN.  Romo has almost a 1TD to 2 INT ratio in December and a 70 QB rating.  Yet Jones and the media want to blame it on Owens and Barber?

right


You think WITTEN is a problem?  I realize I'm a bit biased on this, but how the hell so?  T.O. has been the same damn problem EVERY place he has gone.  Every single time.  You don't see a pattern there?

I agree Romo is far from clutch and that is a problem, but T.O. is a huge lockerroom problem as well, make no mistake.

Also, how is Collinsworth a jerk?  He's very smart, the smartest football analyst going, a trained attorney, watches more film than anyone, etc.  I guess I don't see the "jerk" thing at all.

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 10:22:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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Schlereth is normally good.  Collinsworth is a pencil-neck jerk

The problem with the Cowboys isn't Owens, it is Romo (and to a lesser extent Witen).

I find it funny that Jones calls out Barber when it is his golden boy QB choking in December AGAIN.  Romo has almost a 1TD to 2 INT ratio in December and a 70 QB rating.  Yet Jones and the media want to blame it on Owens and Barber?

right


You think WITTEN is a problem?  I realize I'm a bit biased on this, but how the hell so?  T.O. has been the same damn problem EVERY place he has gone.  Every single time.  You don't see a pattern there?

I agree Romo is far from clutch and that is a problem, but T.O. is a huge lockerroom problem as well, make no mistake.

Also, how is Collinsworth a jerk?  He's very smart, the smartest football analyst going, a trained attorney, watches more film than anyone, etc.  I guess I don't see the "jerk" thing at all.


Two things.

When trying to defend someone being called a pencil necked jerk...claiming he is a trained attorney, may not be the best argument (this is not a personal opinion...just an observation that attorneys are usually kind of regarded as dicks).

Second, I don't see how his being a trained attorney makes him any kind of a expert on sports...it certainly hasn't helped Peter Angelos.

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 10:23:23 AM   
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Schlereth is normally good.  Collinsworth is a pencil-neck jerk

The problem with the Cowboys isn't Owens, it is Romo (and to a lesser extent Witen).

I find it funny that Jones calls out Barber when it is his golden boy QB choking in December AGAIN.  Romo has almost a 1TD to 2 INT ratio in December and a 70 QB rating.  Yet Jones and the media want to blame it on Owens and Barber?

right


You think WITTEN is a problem?  I realize I'm a bit biased on this, but how the hell so?  T.O. has been the same damn problem EVERY place he has gone.  Every single time.  You don't see a pattern there?

I agree Romo is far from clutch and that is a problem, but T.O. is a huge lockerroom problem as well, make no mistake.



As for TO.  you are exactly right.  And I think now that a big part of the reason they traded draft picks for Roy Williams is to rid themselves of TO sooner. 

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 10:26:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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Schlereth is normally good.  Collinsworth is a pencil-neck jerk

The problem with the Cowboys isn't Owens, it is Romo (and to a lesser extent Witen).

I find it funny that Jones calls out Barber when it is his golden boy QB choking in December AGAIN.  Romo has almost a 1TD to 2 INT ratio in December and a 70 QB rating.  Yet Jones and the media want to blame it on Owens and Barber?

right


You think WITTEN is a problem?  I realize I'm a bit biased on this, but how the hell so?  T.O. has been the same damn problem EVERY place he has gone.  Every single time.  You don't see a pattern there?

I agree Romo is far from clutch and that is a problem, but T.O. is a huge lockerroom problem as well, make no mistake.

Also, how is Collinsworth a jerk?  He's very smart, the smartest football analyst going, a trained attorney, watches more film than anyone, etc.  I guess I don't see the "jerk" thing at all.


Two things.

When trying to defend someone being called a pencil necked jerk...claiming he is a trained attorney, may not be the best argument (this is not a personal opinion...just an observation that attorneys are usually kind of regarded as dicks).

Second, I don't see how his being a trained attorney makes him any kind of a expert on sports...it certainly hasn't helped Peter Angelos.


Fair point.  I'm just saying that he is a smart guy AND obviously has game experience, as well as studies more tape than anyone else out there.

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 10:32:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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Schlereth is normally good.  Collinsworth is a pencil-neck jerk

The problem with the Cowboys isn't Owens, it is Romo (and to a lesser extent Witen).

I find it funny that Jones calls out Barber when it is his golden boy QB choking in December AGAIN.  Romo has almost a 1TD to 2 INT ratio in December and a 70 QB rating.  Yet Jones and the media want to blame it on Owens and Barber?

right


You think WITTEN is a problem?  I realize I'm a bit biased on this, but how the hell so?  T.O. has been the same damn problem EVERY place he has gone.  Every single time.  You don't see a pattern there?

I agree Romo is far from clutch and that is a problem, but T.O. is a huge lockerroom problem as well, make no mistake.

Also, how is Collinsworth a jerk?  He's very smart, the smartest football analyst going, a trained attorney, watches more film than anyone, etc.  I guess I don't see the "jerk" thing at all.


Two things.

When trying to defend someone being called a pencil necked jerk...claiming he is a trained attorney, may not be the best argument (this is not a personal opinion...just an observation that attorneys are usually kind of regarded as dicks).

Second, I don't see how his being a trained attorney makes him any kind of a expert on sports...it certainly hasn't helped Peter Angelos.


Fair point.  I'm just saying that he is a smart guy AND obviously has game experience, as well as studies more tape than anyone else out there.


Then the best thing is to say he is well educated and studies more film than anyone. 

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 10:41:18 AM   
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I think the attorney in him helps him when he's questioning things though.  So I do think it still is an added bonus.

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 11:33:58 AM   
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Schlereth is normally good.  Collinsworth is a pencil-neck jerk

The problem with the Cowboys isn't Owens, it is Romo (and to a lesser extent Witen).

I find it funny that Jones calls out Barber when it is his golden boy QB choking in December AGAIN.  Romo has almost a 1TD to 2 INT ratio in December and a 70 QB rating.  Yet Jones and the media want to blame it on Owens and Barber?

right


You think WITTEN is a problem?  I realize I'm a bit biased on this, but how the hell so?  T.O. has been the same damn problem EVERY place he has gone.  Every single time.  You don't see a pattern there?

I agree Romo is far from clutch and that is a problem, but T.O. is a huge lockerroom problem as well, make no mistake.

Also, how is Collinsworth a jerk?  He's very smart, the smartest football analyst going, a trained attorney, watches more film than anyone, etc.  I guess I don't see the "jerk" thing at all.


Two things.

When trying to defend someone being called a pencil necked jerk...claiming he is a trained attorney, may not be the best argument (this is not a personal opinion...just an observation that attorneys are usually kind of regarded as dicks).

Second, I don't see how his being a trained attorney makes him any kind of a expert on sports...it certainly hasn't helped Peter Angelos.

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Trained attorney?  As opposed to an untrained one?
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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 11:36:41 AM   
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I should have said "practiced".  He did practice for a bit I believe.

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 2:52:16 PM   
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I don't see what being a pencil necked jerk has to do with sports commentary ability.

Like him or not, Collinsworth is just about the best in the business.

BTW - Considering that he carved out a nice NFL career, played against guys like Mel Blount and Lester Haynes, and went to 3 pro bowls, I think even the pencil neck thing is relative.

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 2:53:05 PM   
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There's a reason why he's won NUMEROUS awards for basically exactly that, too.

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 3:54:11 PM   
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I've kinda been a TO "supporter" at times.

But really, it's gotten to be a little much. He's not a wife beater or a drug dealer...

But one of these days, maybe, possibly, could it be possible that TO finds a place where everyone isn't out to get him?
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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 4:44:30 PM   
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I think TO is a bit of a head case, not a violent criminal.  He could be depressed or bipolar.

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 5:21:49 PM   
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I don't see what being a pencil necked jerk has to do with sports commentary ability.

Like him or not, Collinsworth is just about the best in the business.

BTW - Considering that he carved out a nice NFL career, played against guys like Mel Blount and Lester Haynes, and went to 3 pro bowls, I think even the pencil neck thing is relative.


Ok then we're all agreed. Collinsworth is excellent.
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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 5:29:20 PM   
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TO is his own worst enemy. They just run him talking on ESPN. That's all they have to do. From him being adamant "The ONE thing I've ALWAYS had is my QUARTERBACK'S Back. I've ALWYAYS had that".. followed by him throwing Garcia and McNabb under the bus.

To him literally cyring and saying how Romo is his boy, and they LOST as a TEAM, followed by his latest outburst.

Again, not a criminal, not Ray Lewis or Leonard Little... but come on now.
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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 5:44:16 PM   
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Yep.

And from a TEAM perspective, he's just as destructive as a Ray Lewis or whatever.  Even moreso in fact IMO.

I used to defend T.O. some as well, but now there's just no way I can do it anymore.  I would not want him on my team.

Again, I know I'm biased on this subject, but it's laughable to me that Jason Witten, the best TE in football AND a super class individual, is a bigger "team" problem than Terrell Owens.

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RE: NFL News - 12/12/2008 6:15:53 PM   
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Yep.

And from a TEAM perspective, he's just as destructive as a Ray Lewis or whatever.  Even moreso in fact IMO.

I used to defend T.O. some as well, but now there's just no way I can do it anymore.  I would not want him on my team.

Again, I know I'm biased on this subject, but it's laughable to me that Jason Witten, the best TE in football AND a super class individual, is a bigger "team" problem than Terrell Owens.


Gotta be the last name.
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