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ORIGINAL: John Childress

Denver, San Diego, and Arizona are three teams that do not deserve to be in the playoffs.  I see the pats beating out the fading jets for the East

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

Denver, San Diego, and Arizona are three teams that do not deserve to be in the playoffs.  I see the pats beating out the fading jets for the East

I actually had the pats winning the division, but going off memory, I think the Jets hold the tiebreakers. You are right though the Jets are fading fast and very well might lose at Seattle this week. I absolutely agree on Arizona and Denver not being deserving, to me San Diego has not played well enough, but to they have the talent to at least make a game of it.

I also think that Cutler and Farve are jokes for Pro Bowl. Roethlisberger, Rivers and Pennington more deserving imo.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

stairwell was placed on IR today

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

Hey Scott,

Maybe joke is to harsh, but he is too inconsistent(large number of bonehead ints.) to go ahead of Rivers, Roethisberger and Pennington.

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ORIGINAL: marty

MANY Packers' losses CAN be blamed on Rogers.  He gets them off to slow starts, plays allright in the 2, 3 and early 4th quarters, only to NOT come through in the last 5 minutes of the game. 

He either ends in a sack,

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or watching his defense give up the game winning score in the last 5 minutes.

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ORIGINAL: marty

You can throw out all the stats you want, but it is leadership at the most important position that gets the job done, and that is why the Jets went from 4 wins to 9 (10 or 11), and why the Packers went from 13 wins to 5 (6 or 7).
 

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: marty

You can throw out all the stats you want, but it is leadership at the most important position that gets the job done, and that is why the Jets went from 4 wins to 9 (10 or 11), and why the Packers went from 13 wins to 5 (6 or 7).

We'll never know the answer, but I believe that that elusive "leadership" factor may not have existed if the Packers had given in to the extortion and kept Favre. Somewhere in the mix of all that, there was a report that most of the young guys on the team were supporting Rodgers and not Favre, and had they kept the old geezer, there may have been some division in the locker room.

{shrug}

Can't say for sure.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I think the sacks at the end of the game are usually Roger's fault; experienced, good QBs will try to make something happen and NOT get sacked.  He needs to get better at anticipation and avoiding the rush, having a good internal clock at how fast the rush will come, considering the game situation.  

As you said, the INTs ARE half his fault, sometimes the WRs, sometimes a great play by the defense.  Good QB play results in more good plays or TDs at the end, more wins.  Like the Packers getting 13 wins last year, compared to 5 (6 or 7), this year.  OR the Jets getting 9 (10 or 11) wins this year, compared to 4 last year.

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Watching his defense give up the winning TD is partially Rodgers fault because he didn't have his team in the lead.  He probably played poorly to start the game (the Packers are one of the worst teams in the league in 1st quarter scoring), or he didn't get his team ahead at other decisive parts in the game.    

Rodgers has yet to lead his team from behind to a victory at the end of a game.  Therefore, he doesn't have the confidence of his supporting cast.  Rodgers has also rarely put his team ahead with a decisive drive at the end, which Favre has done several times with the Jets, and MANY times last year. 

The Packers have won decisively when Rodgers has given them the early lead.  IF he did that more often, they MIGHT have broken the NFL record (which they were on pace for earlier in the year) for MOST points scored from a defense.   He was helped by a punt return TD and big run by Grant in the win over Minnesota.  Had early lead against Detroit, got the lead in the 3rd quarter against Seattle (didn't have to win it at crunchtime with 5 minutes to go), the defense and special teams beat Indy, and they got the early lead on Chicago and dominated. 

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Having said all that, I think the Packers definitely took a step backwards this year, but because of that (Rodgers getting all this experience), they might be taking a step FORWARDS next year (whereas NEXT year probably would have looked like THIS year had they kept Favre for ONE more year, and Rodgers 1st started NEXT year).  While they would have been behind for next year, I believe Favre would have gotten them into the playoffs THIS year, how far, we'll just NEVER know. 

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

And just how is this Rodgers' fault exactly?

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ORIGINAL: Easy E

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: marty

You can throw out all the stats you want, but it is leadership at the most important position that gets the job done, and that is why the Jets went from 4 wins to 9 (10 or 11), and why the Packers went from 13 wins to 5 (6 or 7).

We'll never know the answer, but I believe that that elusive "leadership" factor may not have existed if the Packers had given in to the extortion and kept Favre. Somewhere in the mix of all that, there was a report that most of the young guys on the team were supporting Rodgers and not Favre, and had they kept the old geezer, there may have been some division in the locker room.

{shrug}

Can't say for sure.

I think that's obvious, the team has rallied around the young kid and are really playing hard for him. All their young stars are tearing it up because they love Rodgers so much.

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

I caught the sarcasm - but actually I think the season DID start that way. I think they DID rally around him, and the team started out quite well. But as things started to unravel tempers naturally flare and they're turning on each other. Gosh, what a shame.