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As usual, a higher bar is set for the Black QB.

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Truth hurts I see

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23-11 as a starter

Twice he has taken over winless teams during the season and put them in playoff contention

As usual, a higher bar is set for the Black QB.

23 wins and we still don't know if he is a legit starter

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ORIGINAL: Lars

Coming into this year, many - even JC - pretty much wrote off VY.  Given much of the data around him, I would say that was pretty fair.

Now he has come along and played pretty well and gotten a few wins - one very impressive one last week.  For me, I'm not going to crown his ass and say he has resurrected his career after 5 games - 5 games after pretty much all had said he was done.

Just like I never bought into Derek Anderson, Scott Mitchell, Quinn, Bouman, Cutler (the list goes on for miles), I'm not ready to annoint this dude an NFL stud QB.

I have never been quick to jump any any QB's bandwagon after they won a few games.  I'm not going to start now.  And for the record, anyone insinuating race has something to do with it hasn't paid attention to me never jumping on the bandwagon of countless white QB who have played decent for a small stretch.

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Vince Young already has 9 "comeback wins" in his short career.

They should have benched Collins a month earlier and I said it right here on these threads.

23-11
9 comeback wins

Legit NFL starter?

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Collins should have been benched, Few would argue that he shouldn't have been. The point though is that Vince Young was a train wreck as a QB in the NFL before that. They were winning DESPITE him being in there. The stats speak for themselves and if OUR QB were playing that badly, you would be calling for his head.

Since returning, he's been great. It's hindsight to say that everyone should have seen this level of play. NOBODY could have honestly predicted this without doubting their own prediction and/or laughing at themselves for making it.

His stats prior to being benched were atrocious, you can't ignore them. They are fact.

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The Chargers want to show they're not your father's Bolts.


Rather than look at the narrow 30-23 victory in Cleveland with negativity, I look at it as an example of San Diego growing up. The Chargers built a 27-7 lead on a 27-degree wind-chill day, and even though San Diego likely won't face a frigid game in the playoffs, it's good to know the players can handle it if it comes. More likely, San Diego will find a road to the Super Bowl runs through Indianapolis. The Chargers would never say that makes them happy, but they don't have to. The stats say it.
"I don't think that's a team Indianapolis wants to play,'' says Tony Dungy, who might know a thing or two about what Indianapolis wants.
With the most recent game first, the past five San Diego-Indy meetings did not go well for the Colts. How they've gone:


2008 playoff, at San Diego: Chargers 23-17 (OT).
2008 regular season, at San Diego: Colts 23-20.
2007 playoffs, at Indianapolis: Chargers 28-24.
2007 regular season, at San Diego: Chargers 23-21
2005 regular season, at Indianapolis: Chargers 26-17


So let's see. The Chargers in 2005 beat the 13-0 Colts in Indy. The Chargers knocked the 13-3 Colts out of the playoffs in 2007 in Indy. The Chargers knocked the 12-4 Colts out of the playoffs in 2008 in San Diego.


I sense a trend.


The Chargers lead the league in matchup problems for defense. On Sunday in Cleveland, San Diego started two 6-foot-5 receivers, Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd, and two tight ends, 6-4 Antonio Gates and 6-2, 295-pound Brandon Manumaleuna. They subbed two more 6-5 wideouts, Legedu Naanee and Kassim Osgood. Smurfy Darren Sproles caught four balls. Gates had an eight-catch, 167-yard day. "Football is a game of matchups,'' Gates said from Cleveland. "Right now, our skill-position guys can match up well with defenses.''


Consider how the Chargers are playing in their seven-game win streak. They are scoring more than one unbeaten team, Indianapolis, in the past seven games, averaging 31 points during the win streak, and defending better than New Orleans, averaging 15 points allowed in their win streak.
"Our maturity level is higher,'' Gates said from Cleveland. "We realize it's all about now. Forget what happened last week, forget what we've got next week. It's now that counts. We've also realized all that stuff about talent doesn't win games for you. Having talent doesn't mean you'll win in the playoffs, and going 14-2 doesn't mean you'll win. We just want to get to the postseason and be playing well when we get there.''

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Quote of the Week III
"I don't see the big deal about it. The president cheated on his wife. We're all human. Human beings are the only ones that have just one partner. You watch National Geographic and the lions, they have like five or six partners. The human race is the only being that is monogamous with partners.''
-- The wisdom of Seattle wideout T.J. Houshmandzadeh, to seattlepi.com, the Web site of the former Seattle Post-Intelligencer newspaper, commenting on the barrage of negative publicity for Tiger Woods.


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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

Quote of the Week III
"I don't see the big deal about it. The president cheated on his wife. We're all human. Human beings are the only ones that have just one partner. You watch National Geographic and the lions, they have like five or six partners. The human race is the only being that is monogamous with partners.''
-- The wisdom of Seattle wideout T.J. Houshmandzadeh, to seattlepi.com, the Web site of the former Seattle Post-Intelligencer newspaper, commenting on the barrage of negative publicity for Tiger Woods.


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And Housh is wrong...there are animal species that mate for life.  Like Killer Whales...just an example.

We are also, supposedly, the only species with morals etc.  Big distinction there.

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

Quote of the Week III
"I don't see the big deal about it. The president cheated on his wife. We're all human. Human beings are the only ones that have just one partner. You watch National Geographic and the lions, they have like five or six partners. The human race is the only being that is monogamous with partners.''
-- The wisdom of Seattle wideout T.J. Houshmandzadeh, to seattlepi.com, the Web site of the former Seattle Post-Intelligencer newspaper, commenting on the barrage of negative publicity for Tiger Woods.


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And Housh is wrong...there are animal species that mate for life.  Like Killer Whales...just an example.

We are also, supposedly, the only species with morals etc.  Big distinction there.

I find it amazing that a grown man would use wild animals to justify his behavior!

Some species kill the male after mating