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RE: The Packers - 10/11/2011 9:16:22 PM   
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Ray Rice and Flacco are great players, and the Raven defense overachieves sometimes because they really don't have that great of personnel.

I'm impressed with what McCarthy does during games, and going conservative has yielded him nothing but victories last post season, so I imagine he'll keep using that successful formula.

Rodgers is a great QB, and Jenning, Nelson and Finley are GREAT WRs, although Finley is a little bit too full of himself.

The Packers have a distinct competitive advantage on defense in that being the Lombardi darlings, or for whatever reason, their 2ndary is allowed to push, hold, commit PI on nearly every pass play and many, many times it doesn't get called.

IF the Vikings 2ndary played as aggressively as the Pack, they would be flagged a minimum of 8 times a game for PI or holding, perhaps getting as many as 15 a game. And I'm not kidding. It's a distinct competitive advantage the Pack enjoy, I've seen it from no other team in the NFL.


The juries still out on Flacco IMO.
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RE: The Packers - 10/12/2011 11:56:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: marty

Ray Rice and Flacco are great players, and the Raven defense overachieves sometimes because they really don't have that great of personnel.

I'm impressed with what McCarthy does during games, and going conservative has yielded him nothing but victories last post season, so I imagine he'll keep using that successful formula.

Rodgers is a great QB, and Jenning, Nelson and Finley are GREAT WRs, although Finley is a little bit too full of himself.

The Packers have a distinct competitive advantage on defense in that being the Lombardi darlings, or for whatever reason, their 2ndary is allowed to push, hold, commit PI on nearly every pass play and many, many times it doesn't get called.

IF the Vikings 2ndary played as aggressively as the Pack, they would be flagged a minimum of 8 times a game for PI or holding, perhaps getting as many as 15 a game. And I'm not kidding. It's a distinct competitive advantage the Pack enjoy, I've seen it from no other team in the NFL.


If the Vikings has started a "Metrodome Leap", it would be against the rules by now.

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RE: The Packers - 10/13/2011 8:44:12 AM   
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 I'm hoping that Rodgers makes it through to next week.  If he's gonna go down hard, I want it to be at the hands of Jared Allen.  I get so sick of hearing Packer fans berate Allen's game, hair, wife, kid, sack celebration.....Its just freaking boring and show's just how much most Packer fans are just plain ignorant of football.  Remember when whats his nuts took AP out low on purpose intentionally trying to hurt him and succeeded????  Well, I'm hoping for a little pay back. 

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RE: The Packers - 10/13/2011 11:12:12 AM   
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I'm hoping that Rodgers makes it through to next week.  If he's gonna go down hard, I want it to be at the hands of Jared Allen.  I get so sick of hearing Packer fans berate Allen's game, hair, wife, kid, sack celebration.....Its just freaking boring and show's just how much most Packer fans are just plain ignorant of football.  Remember when whats his nuts took AP out low on purpose intentionally trying to hurt him and succeeded????  Well, I'm hoping for a little pay back. 

I've never heard anything on other Packer sites about Allen, so it's odd for me to hear that but we all have different experiences. Granted, the sack dance is goofy but they all are.

I feel the same way about the whole Packer DB PI crap as you do about Allen. It's a tired argument.

That was Al Harris (now a Ram) who hit AP. I don't believe that his intent was to injure AP. His tackling style is an epidemic around the league where players (especially DBs) just throw their bodies low at the ball carrier. Tackling is a lost art form. I think SI had an article about that a few weeks ago.
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RE: The Packers - 10/13/2011 2:35:21 PM   
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I'm hoping that Rodgers makes it through to next week.  If he's gonna go down hard, I want it to be at the hands of Jared Allen.  I get so sick of hearing Packer fans berate Allen's game, hair, wife, kid, sack celebration.....Its just freaking boring and show's just how much most Packer fans are just plain ignorant of football.  Remember when whats his nuts took AP out low on purpose intentionally trying to hurt him and succeeded????  Well, I'm hoping for a little pay back. 


AD got his own payback the next year when he trucked Al Harris...Ran him the **** over.

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RE: The Packers - 10/13/2011 7:26:33 PM   
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Status: online 		I feel the same way about the whole Packer DB PI crap as you do about Allen. It's a tired argument.

It's not crap, and it's not an argument. Just watch a Packers game, watch their 2ndary, play plays back in slow motion and you'll see them commit PI on nearly every pass play, and get away with a ton of them. Woodson had 2 flagrant ones on deep passes in the 2nd half in weeks 3 and 4, and he got away with both of them.

I'm not kidding when I say IF the Vikes played as aggressively with their 2ndary, they would be flagged anywhere from 8 to 12 times a game for PI and holding. It gives the Lombardi darlings a competitive advantage to be able to play that way and not get flagged.
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RE: The Packers - 10/14/2011 11:17:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah the Packers DBs are notorious for mugging receivers but it's football and it has been succesful for them. It worked for the Pats and was arguably the biggest reason for at least 2 of their Super Bowl victories. The AFCCG vs the Colts where the Pats just abused their WRs and the Super Bowl vs the Rams where DBs were holding the Rams WRs from the LOS until 15-20 yards down field. It's a dangerous way to play as teams will eventually start getting called regularly.

I remember the Pack Steelers regular season game from a couple of seasons ago. The refs kept calling the Steelers regularly for holding (which they're notorious for) and the Pack for defensive holding. It turned out to be an incredible game in the end.

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RE: The Packers - 10/14/2011 9:51:23 PM   
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I agree with you on the Pats getting away with plenty of contact with DBs in a playoff game against Indy, but Indy still got some calls later in that game and had a chance to win, but Peyton blew it. I didn't see what you saw with the Pat-Rams SB, and in both cases (both matchups) it seemed it was clutch passes late in the game by Brady that won the games (and NOT taking a knee with 38 seconds to go).

One of the playoff games against Indy (vs. Pats), where the Pats got away with plenty of contact, might have been a 'sway' in the Pats' favor. But you also can't ignore that when Indy won the SB, with their win over NE, it took quite a bit of calls and non-calls in Indys' favor for them to beat the Pats. It may have been something psychological for Manning that he couldn't beat them, and maybe he would NEVER have beat them in a playoff game if not for some tinkering from the refs.

I vividly remember the Packer-Steeler regular season meeting a few years ago. There were plenty of calls against the Pack for PI and holding, but what is even more startling is there were quite a few NON-calls where the Packers SHOULD have been flagged for PI and holding, so much so in the 4th quarter that it almost ended up being THEE reason the Pack came back and won the game. The irony, and perhaps justice being served, the play where Big Ben threw the game winning TD, there was a pretty obvious hold by a Steeler OL on Johnny Jolly.

Yes the Packers are known for mugging WRs, but don't give me some mularkey that 'it's football'. Yes it's football, and football has some RULES. It's unfair for one team like the Pack to continually get away with breaking the rules while almost every other team is called tightly on the PI rules. The Pack have a competitive advantage in this area getting non-calls at crucial times with the game on the line.

It's not right, and I think the Lombardi darlings are doing a dis-service to Lombardi by playing the game with such disregard for the rules. Maybe the "football Gods" will punish them with another playoff loss where the opposition gets away with something like Arizona did a few years back, mugging Rodgers in OT on the game winning play, or give them a treat like a Moss moon, or something like that in a playoff loss.

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RE: The Packers - 10/15/2011 12:21:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, looks like Clayroid made the right decision to stop taking HGH.

Good news for Packer fans - he won't get suspended. Bad news - he's the average player projected.

I love how announcers keep saying "he just a step too slow", but he's making plays

That's the whole point! He's slightly slower and weaker when not on the HGH, and he's not good enough to make those plays now!

Sorry Packer fans....
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RE: The Packers - 10/15/2011 12:24:24 PM   
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RE: The Packers - 10/15/2011 12:31:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead Craig

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

I'm hoping that Rodgers makes it through to next week.  If he's gonna go down hard, I want it to be at the hands of Jared Allen.  I get so sick of hearing Packer fans berate Allen's game, hair, wife, kid, sack celebration.....Its just freaking boring and show's just how much most Packer fans are just plain ignorant of football.  Remember when whats his nuts took AP out low on purpose intentionally trying to hurt him and succeeded????  Well, I'm hoping for a little pay back. 

I've never heard anything on other Packer sites about Allen, so it's odd for me to hear that but we all have different experiences. Granted, the sack dance is goofy but they all are.

I feel the same way about the whole Packer DB PI crap as you do about Allen. It's a tired argument.

That was Al Harris (now a Ram) who hit AP. I don't believe that his intent was to injure AP. His tackling style is an epidemic around the league where players (especially DBs) just throw their bodies low at the ball carrier. Tackling is a lost art form. I think SI had an article about that a few weeks ago.


How's the Clay Mathews thing working out?

I told ya he was on the juice.......
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RE: The Packers - 10/15/2011 11:16:49 PM   
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Sacks sometimes come in bunches, the Pack miss a good pass rushing lineman they lost to FA, and they are getting back a good pass rushing LBer this week. Also, maybe teams are looking more at film in how to block him and to take him out of the picture.

Too early to tell, I say ....

A scrimmage coming up with the Rams might boost some Packer player statistics

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RE: The Packers - 10/16/2011 6:06:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Marty - that's why I posted his tackles as well.

Packer fans come with all these excuses (he's double teamed). BS, if he's such a beast he'd be making plays.

He's a LB in a 3-4 defense, you really don't double team LBs in that D, too hard.

On the other hand, I've literally seen him thrown aside this year by O lineman.
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RE: The Packers - 10/16/2011 3:23:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Packers 24 - Rams 3

Offense
  • Rodgers was outstanding.
  • Run game was blech. Which seems to be the norm.
  • The OL had some fairly solid protection.

    Defense
  • Matthews with a sack, 3 PDs and added to his league-leading QB knockdowns and hurries with several more of those. Add in he was held once and caused 2 false starts by the guy across from him. But he's just average apparently because sacks are the only thing that matters... @ Andy.
  • Hawk had a great day as well. A sack, hurry, knockdown and PD. Plus a bird, WTF was that about? Hello NFL fine.
  • Again they give up a lot of yards but only 3 points.
  • Hopefully Shields can come back. Our secondary is getting banged up.
  • Morgan Burnett is becoming a very good safety. Made real good plays even with a broken hand in a club.

    Special Teams
  • Not a good day. The big punt return was inexcusable. No good returns by the Packers.

    After a dominating first half, it was a blah 2nd half. A win is a win though.
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    RE: The Packers - 10/16/2011 4:32:08 PM   
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    Status: offline     		So Mathews gets a sack and 1 tackles against one of the worst lines in the NFL!

    2 sacks and 11 solo tackles

    Tearing it up!

    He should have a lot of QB hurries, he's a blitzing LB. Capers scheme creates a lot of opportunities, he's a step slow to get to the QB!
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    RE: The Packers - 10/16/2011 4:52:29 PM   
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    So.. they have THAT going for them. Which is nice.     

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    RE: The Packers - 10/16/2011 7:36:04 PM   
    Cheesehead Craig


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    ORIGINAL: Andy Lowe

    So Mathews gets a sack and 1 tackles against one of the worst lines in the NFL!

    2 sacks and 11 solo tackles

    Tearing it up!

    He should have a lot of QB hurries, he's a blitzing LB. Capers scheme creates a lot of opportunities, he's a step slow to get to the QB!

    So when he does good, it's all scheme and the opponents.  What a cop-out answer.

    quote:

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    How's the Clay Mathews thing working out?

    That 6-0 record he helped the Packers get is working out just fine with me. It's great having him and his disruptive presence on the field.  
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    RE: The Packers - 10/17/2011 9:47:41 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

    I'm hoping that Rodgers makes it through to next week.  If he's gonna go down hard, I want it to be at the hands of Jared Allen.  I get so sick of hearing Packer fans berate Allen's game, hair, wife, kid, sack celebration.....Its just freaking boring and show's just how much most Packer fans are just plain ignorant of football.  Remember when whats his nuts took AP out low on purpose intentionally trying to hurt him and succeeded????  Well, I'm hoping for a little pay back. 

    I've never heard anything on other Packer sites about Allen, so it's odd for me to hear that but we all have different experiences. Granted, the sack dance is goofy but they all are.

    I feel the same way about the whole Packer DB PI crap as you do about Allen. It's a tired argument.

    That was Al Harris (now a Ram) who hit AP. I don't believe that his intent was to injure AP. His tackling style is an epidemic around the league where players (especially DBs) just throw their bodies low at the ball carrier. Tackling is a lost art form. I think SI had an article about that a few weeks ago.


    Go to X4 and read the NFC North thread.  there is so much BS in there about all the Vikings and its brutal.  You think it gets bad in here when you post your pro Packer scribble?  Try posting anything anti-packer or pro any other team without getting absolutly crucified.

    The name of the thread about J Allen is called "Why Yes, Jared Allen is a useless tool." 

    Stay classy GB fans....stay classy!

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    RE: The Packers - 10/17/2011 9:50:14 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: Andy Lowe

    So Mathews gets a sack and 1 tackles against one of the worst lines in the NFL!

    2 sacks and 11 solo tackles

    Tearing it up!

    He should have a lot of QB hurries, he's a blitzing LB. Capers scheme creates a lot of opportunities, he's a step slow to get to the QB!

    So when he does good, it's all scheme and the opponents.  What a cop-out answer.

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    How's the Clay Mathews thing working out?

    That 6-0 record he helped the Packers get is working out just fine with me. It's great having him and his disruptive presence on the field.  


    I think YOUR disruptive presence on this board is a little tiring at times too.  You wanna brag about your boys thats fine....just remember this is a Vikings and Minnesota sports web site.  you can't come in here and brag without expecting some back lash.  IMO you get off very easy in here.  Your a nice guy I'm sure, and you probably would be great to watch a game with and drink a beer, but sometimes you come off a little elitest and it can get a little patronizing.

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    RE: The Packers - 10/17/2011 9:57:28 AM   
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    Status: offline     		I think the problem, Craig, is that you used to participate on other threads and talk like a real person, and engage in conversations that were non-sports and other sports. But now the only time you are here is to post about each Packer game and leave.

    You have to understand that it seems odd (and quite arrogant) for someone to take the time to brag about the Packers on a Viking board. Reverse it in your mind and tell us what you would think of a Viking fan visiting a Packer board once a week to post about the most recent Viking game, but not engage in any other conversation on the board. Packer fans would be livid.
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    RE: The Packers - 10/17/2011 11:29:04 AM   
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    		 Hey Lynn....you were referenced in a new thread on X4 today.  The Thread is called:  Any Vikings fans going to show up this week.

    These are the comments as they appear on this classy thread:


    1. Dilweed? Anyone? 2. i'm guessing no. 3. I believed one or both of those you mentioned have been bandished.

    Of course there is viking girl, but Blare Keel was mean to her (in a very polite manner) and she quit.

    I think she is now writing really bad kidde books.      

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    RE: The Packers - 10/17/2011 11:37:28 AM   
    Cheesehead Craig


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    Status: offline     		I've been doing this for years. Not sure why it's suddenly such a problem now.

    What other threads should I post in Lynn?

    I liked the college football thread, but that's died. So should I just talk about the Gophers? Why? I only posted there a handful of times in the past anyways and that was during Badger game weeks.

    Should I really start posting in the Vikes thread and give some helpful critique of the team and my thoughts? I'd get crucified and you know it.

    Politics, no thanks. Never posted there, never will.

    Twins? Really never posted there to begin with.

    Wild? Same there.

    So I stay here where I've been. There was no issues when I was here and the Packers sucked (2008) and I stuck around. If someone wants to give me grief, I've taken it and given some back. I believe I've been pretty much the same since I got here. I don't feel my tone has been arrogant or elitest for posting about the Packers in a Packers thread and I've been posting the same as I have been for quite a while. I've posted the good and the bad. When someone actually wants to talk football, I'll talk to them about it. There have been some good discussions when people actually want to talk about something with merit.

    I my opinion, the Packers success has really made people here hate anything relating to the Pack (moreso than usual) and that tone has carried over to how people here deal with and percieve me. Frankly I don't care about what happens on other boards, it has nothing to do with me or what's going on here.

    You want me to leave, go ahead and say so as a site mod.
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    RE: The Packers - 10/17/2011 11:44:26 AM   
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    		 Don't think anyone said they wanted you to leave.....Spin it however you want Craig.  I think most people don't have a problem with you posting here at all.  But, you have to understand that when its all said and done it is a Viking web site.  IDK, maybe it would be different if it wasn't just you as the only Packer posting here on the Packer thread. 

    I gave you a specific web site name and now I will give you the web address:  http://timesfour.com/eve/forums

    Unfortunately, its these guys who post here that give Packer fans a really bad name. 

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    RE: The Packers - 10/17/2011 11:47:00 AM   
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    I agree with you on the Pats getting away with plenty of contact with DBs in a playoff game against Indy, but Indy still got some calls later in that game and had a chance to win, but Peyton blew it. I didn't see what you saw with the Pat-Rams SB, and in both cases (both matchups) it seemed it was clutch passes late in the game by Brady that won the games (and NOT taking a knee with 38 seconds to go).


    The Pats frirst SB win against the Rams might have had some of the most biased officiaing except the Steelers Seahawks SB. Though the Seahwaks only have themselves to blame as they dropped passes and gave up big plays. The Pats defenders re routed the Rams WRs all game holding them and crossing them up with each other. Actually they used the Rams rub routes against them forcing Rams WRs into each other rather than vice versa where Rams receivers were picking off DBs and running freely. The refs really swallowed their whistles allowing the clutching and grabbing not to mention there were countless personal fouls that weren't called on the Pats. The refs let them play when the Rams were down 17-3 in the 4th and they luckily tied the game before the Pats won on the last drive.

    Another controversial play was the clock stopping where the Pats player got out of bounds with 33 secs, it was close his knee might have touched before getting out of bounds. The following play was an obvious intentional grounding as well.

    Here's the last drive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVphiMBbGaM&feature=related

    The refs seemed to want to make a game of it when they wiped out a 95 yd fumble return by the Pats that would've made it 24-3.

    Kudos to Brady and the Pats going for the win, they hadn't done much offensively all game, scored 17 pts, 1 TD was INT returned and the other 2 scoring drives were set up by TOs.
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    RE: The Packers - 10/17/2011 11:57:14 AM   
    Cheesehead Craig


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    Don't think anyone said they wanted you to leave.....Spin it however you want Craig.  I think most people don't have a problem with you posting here at all.  But, you have to understand that when its all said and done it is a Viking web site.  IDK, maybe it would be different if it wasn't just you as the only Packer posting here on the Packer thread. 

    I gave you a specific web site name and now I will give you the web address:  http://timesfour.com/eve/forums

    Unfortunately, its these guys who post here that give Packer fans a really bad name. 

    I won't leave Ed. I just can't quit you!!!

    I'll check out that site. I go to a different Packers site that is good and fairly well-behaved towards rivals fans.
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