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RE: The Packers - 9/25/2011 11:32:03 PM   
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RE: The Packers - 9/26/2011 8:43:18 AM   
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RE: The Packers - 9/26/2011 9:48:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Packers 27 - Da Bears 17

Offense
  • Just when I figure Starks is taking over at RB, he has a horrible day and Grant runs like a man looking to prove something.
  • Rodgers had a real good game, but Urlacher just has a knack of baiting him.
  • Who was it who said Finley was just average? Sure looked elite to me. Bears couldn't cover him.
  • I'm thinking RT Bulaga's knee is worse than being reported, but Newhouse was outstanding in replacing him.
  • The delay of game penalties were just stupid. Think we had like 3 of those.

    Defense
  • Another game of just stonewalling the run. That was an impressive effort.
  • Seeing far too many broken assignments in coverage.
  • Morgan Burnett - This year's Pro-Bowler nobody saw being one at the start of the season. He has that knack of making plays.
  • Good to see some pass rush, even it was the Bears OL

    Special Teams
  • That was a great fake on that final punt return. That would have been a legendary play had it worked.
  • Stupid Slocum having them punt to Hester, kick it out of bounds.

    Solid win for the Pack. Loved that they were able to run the ball against a team they haven't had much success with. Three weeks, three conference wins and that's huge. Next week back home against Denver. Gotta keep this rolling!
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    RE: The Packers - 9/26/2011 4:27:13 PM   
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    RE: The Packers - 9/27/2011 1:10:30 PM   
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    		 I bet this next week is the week Rogers goes down!  Its gonna be a knee and its gonna be ugly!

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    RE: The Packers - 9/27/2011 2:26:12 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Ed, the football gods will never do your bidding if you spell his name wrong. It's Rodgers.

    Of course I already know that karma doesn't work. When I attended a game at Lambeau and Harris hit Adrian Peterson in the knee with his helmet, several fans in the stands around me jumped up and yelled "I hope your leg is broken Peterson."

    I thought at the time that karma was going to bite those fans and the team in the butt. It didn't happen. You might have to reverse your strategy and start wishing nothing but sunshine and lollipops for the Packers.
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    RE: The Packers - 9/27/2011 2:33:50 PM   
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    Ed, the football gods will never do your bidding if you spell his name wrong. It's Rodgers.

    Of course I already know that karma doesn't work. When I attended a game at Lambeau and Harris hit Adrian Peterson in the knee with his helmet, several fans in the stands around me jumped up and yelled "I hope your leg is broken Peterson."

    I thought at the time that karma was going to bite those fans and the team in the butt. It didn't happen. You might have to reverse your strategy and start wishing nothing but sunshine and lollipops for the Packers.


    Didn't Harris end up with a torn ACL at one point?

    THAT would be Karma.

    As for Rodgers,

    The Packers have had a long run where the backup hasn't had to play.  since 1992 (that's nearly 20 years folks), their opening day starter has played every game but ONE.

    They are DUE for Aaron to get hurt and spend significant time out.

    I never wish injury on a person...but I wouldn't cry any tears if Aaron were carted off and lost for the year.

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    RE: The Packers - 9/27/2011 2:40:19 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Scott - I meant karma for the crappy fans who were hoping Peterson suffered a terrible injury. They were rewarded with a Superbowl win just a couple of years later. I think they deserve another long stretch of 4-12 seasons.
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    RE: The Packers - 9/27/2011 2:41:01 PM   
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    RE: The Packers - 9/27/2011 2:41:02 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

    I bet this next week is the week Rogers goes down!  Its gonna be a knee and its gonna be ugly!


    Maybe he can save the injury for a year we have a chance at sniffing the Playoffs...
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    RE: The Packers - 9/27/2011 10:05:15 PM   
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    Status: offline     		The phantom holding call on the TD return by Knox with :30 seconds left on the clock was a little strange as the players' number that was called wasn't near any Packers, there was no visible hold on the replay.

    The holding call allowed the Packers to still cover the 3 1/2 or 4 point spread.

    The official that made that call was the same one that allowed Charles Woodson to commit PI on a deep pass (late 3rd quarter) where Hester would have had an easy TD, and that official is also from Milwaukee

    I'm sure it's just a few odd coincidences, and Woodson DID get flagged on the play after he was allowed that contact, it was 3rd and 8 and his PI wasn't just interference but a very good hold on the WR.

    You'd think after getting away with one, Woodson would be a little careful the next few plays [like a speeder that was speeding but didn't get pulled over passing a patrol, one would think they'd slow down a bit], but instead he just continues to grab, hold, push, lean against, and ignore the PI rules like they are only for CBs on OTHER teams.

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    RE: The Packers - 9/28/2011 8:11:49 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: marty

    The phantom holding call on the TD return by Knox with :30 seconds left on the clock was a little strange as the players' number that was called wasn't near any Packers, there was no visible hold on the replay.

    The holding call allowed the Packers to still cover the 3 1/2 or 4 point spread.

    The official that made that call was the same one that allowed Charles Woodson to commit PI on a deep pass (late 3rd quarter) where Hester would have had an easy TD, and that official is also from Milwaukee

    I'm sure it's just a few odd coincidences, and Woodson DID get flagged on the play after he was allowed that contact, it was 3rd and 8 and his PI wasn't just interference but a very good hold on the WR.

    You'd think after getting away with one, Woodson would be a little careful the next few plays [like a speeder that was speeding but didn't get pulled over passing a patrol, one would think they'd slow down a bit], but instead he just continues to grab, hold, push, lean against, and ignore the PI rules like they are only for CBs on OTHER teams.


    Is there some reason why he WOULDN'T think that?
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    RE: The Packers - 9/28/2011 9:14:39 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Good point BigO !

    I never really examined the NFL rule book.

    Maybe on the chapter concerning PI, it says something like:

    These are the rules defensive backs not wearing Green and Gold must follow to avoid being flagged for pass interference or holding:
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    RE: The Packers - 9/28/2011 9:19:43 PM   
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    Status: offline     		IF the Vikes start getting some CBs that play as aggressive as Packer CBs, will they be allowed a bunch of non-calls, and then praised for being good, aggressive CBs ?

    Or will they be flagged frequently, and then have a commentator say, "well he's gotta learn you can't get away with" holds like that" or "interference like that, or "contact like that" ?
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    RE: The Packers - 10/2/2011 8:59:01 PM   
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    Offense
  • Rodgers for MVP.  It's his award to lose right now.
  • The OL has to do a better job in run blocking.  Just not creating lanes.
  • Warmed my heart to see Driver come back after being carted off, then scoring a TD.  One of the all-time great Packers.
  • The offense was in full juggernaut mode today.

    Defense
  • Great pick 6 by Woodson.
  • Run defense was pretty solid for most of the day.  Some cheap running yards near the end when they were in prevent mode.
  • Where the EFF is the pass rush?
  • Once again, the secondary gives up too many big plays.  The middle of the field is just too open.
  • They were opportunistic with the turnovers. 
  • This season's defense has been very poor.  It seems the philosophy is "hoping one of our players makes a play" is not one I'm a big fan of.

    Special Teams
  • Kickoff coverage wasn't all that great.
  • Surprise onside kick was awesome.

    The offense is simply overwhelming to start the season while the defense is MIA.  They are getting turnovers which has been key but they cannot simply rely on that to continue, this is overall not a real good unit right now.  It's almost a flip-flop from last season where the offense struggled and the defense was playing outstanding.  Hopefully the defense will come around this year how the offense did last year.  Still, 4-0 is a great start, who would have thought we'd have to keep pace with the Lions!
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    RE: The Packers - 10/4/2011 9:09:29 AM   
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    		 Woodson and the rest of the DB's in Green Bay are nothing but a bunch of thugs.  They can mug the receiver and never get called for it.  I'm telling you....Its a good time to be a Fudge Packer fan....Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Fudge Packers are the new darlings of the NFL.  Good by Brady and New England...you have been replaced.  The NFL needs a good story and its now Green Bay's turn.  Pathetic really how much these guys get away with on the football field.  Some of it is down right criminal. 

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    RE: The Packers - 10/4/2011 9:11:46 AM   
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    		 Speaking of thugs.....Life without HGH is not working out too well with Clay Matthews now is it???!!!!  CHEAT! 

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    RE: The Packers - 10/10/2011 9:18:17 AM   
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    Offense
  • Sherrod and Newhouse really stepped up when Clifton went down. It was great seeing Sherrod just gain more and more confidence as the game went on. That injury may not be as big of a blow to the Packers offense as originally thought.
  • Grant fumbles for the first time in over 300 touches and gets benched for most of the game. WTF?
  • Starks did a much better job at hitting the hole.
  • If Finley's going to talk about wanting the ball more, he's gotta catch it.
  • Rodgers is still awesome.
  • Great game for James Jones.

    Defense
  • After a horrible starting first 2 drives, they absolutely shut down Atlanta.
  • Excellent pressure as the game went on. Blitzes were rattling Ryan.
  • Hey Roddy White... tell us again how that win last year in the playoffs was a fluke and that the Falcons are the better team.
  • 2 great tips for INTs.
  • We'll see if this is the turnaround game for the D.

    Special Teams
  • A 56 yd FG that would have been good from 63-64? Wow.
  • Crosby just crushed the kickoffs
  • Cobb's gotta take a knee every now and then on those deep kickoffs.

    One of the more impressive wins by the Packers. Down 14 with no momentum at all and they fought back and got a huge win. The Pack will likely pick up a T with Cliffy out for a while but Sherrod and Newhouse had great games. I can't stress how big their performances were.

    5-0 to start the season? I'll take that.
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    RE: The Packers - 10/10/2011 10:51:23 AM   
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    		 At least the ref's are consistent.  After Atlanta went up in the 1st quarter the Green Bay DB's were mugging receivers and getting away with it big time.  Week in and week out they get the benefit of the doubt and its really obvious.  Pathetic.  I knew there was no way Goodell was going to let the Packers lose that game last night.

    On a side note:  When Ray Edwards sacked Rodgers and bent him in half.....I thought maybe, just maybe Rodgers wouldn't get up.  Its coming.....won't be long now, its coming!!!

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    RE: The Packers - 10/10/2011 1:52:13 PM   
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    Status: offline     		The Packers look very good and have the best coaching staff in the NFL - look at the adjustments on the fly.

    ATL was always overrated.

    They are an average team that doesn't make too many mistakes

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    RE: The Packers - 10/11/2011 11:22:01 AM   
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    The Packers look very good and have the best coaching staff in the NFL - look at the adjustments on the fly.

    ATL was always overrated.

    They are an average team that doesn't make too many mistakes


    I disagree McCarthy and Co are decent but with Rodgers at the controls anyone can look brilliant. However I think Capers is a great coordinator. Grant got benched but he's borderline useless IMO. I still think Belicheck & Co are the best followed by Steelers, Ravens, Saints.

    The Pack look good, although I don't rate Atlanta highly I thought they would win this as this was their Super Bowl at home. Tbh I think they did all they could in holding the Pack to FGs. Matt Ryan looks constantly flustered to me, he seems to try and do too much pre snap and never seems composed. So much for the Matty Ice moniker.

    Sometimes teams overvalue their personel. Atlanta was the flukiest of teams last season but the coaching staff figured they were a WR away from being a juggernaut, unfortunately they forgot that their defense is mediocre, Abraham is declining, their pass D is horrible, their OLine and Turner are fading. They gave up 5 picks for Jones! The Browns 2012 1st rounder is getting better each week.
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    RE: The Packers - 10/11/2011 1:43:52 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: John Childress

    The Packers look very good and have the best coaching staff in the NFL - look at the adjustments on the fly.

    ATL was always overrated.

    They are an average team that doesn't make too many mistakes


    I disagree McCarthy and Co are decent but with Rodgers at the controls anyone can look brilliant. However I think Capers is a great coordinator. Grant got benched but he's borderline useless IMO. I still think Belicheck & Co are the best followed by Steelers, Ravens, Saints.

    The Pack look good, although I don't rate Atlanta highly I thought they would win this as this was their Super Bowl at home. Tbh I think they did all they could in holding the Pack to FGs. Matt Ryan looks constantly flustered to me, he seems to try and do too much pre snap and never seems composed. So much for the Matty Ice moniker.

    Sometimes teams overvalue their personel. Atlanta was the flukiest of teams last season but the coaching staff figured they were a WR away from being a juggernaut, unfortunately they forgot that their defense is mediocre, Abraham is declining, their pass D is horrible, their OLine and Turner are fading. They gave up 5 picks for Jones! The Browns 2012 1st rounder is getting better each week.

    McCarthy has had a lot to do with Rodgers success. He knows how to groom QBs. Hell, when he was the OC in NO, he made Aaron Brooks an All-Pro QB. Rodgers didn't just fall into the Packers' lap being as good as he is now. Coming out of college, Rodgers was a mechanical nightmare and MM had to really do a lot of work to fix that.

    Rodgers has worked very hard to be the QB that he is, but MM's offense and ability with QBs really put him in a position to succeed. Rodgers natural abilities have really been able to come out under MM's tutelage.

    How exactly are the Ravens and Saints coaching staffs so much better?

    Agree on Atlanta, they are overrated. That trade for Jones was stupid.
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    RE: The Packers - 10/11/2011 2:06:59 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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    ORIGINAL: John Childress

    The Packers look very good and have the best coaching staff in the NFL - look at the adjustments on the fly.

    ATL was always overrated.

    They are an average team that doesn't make too many mistakes


    I disagree McCarthy and Co are decent but with Rodgers at the controls anyone can look brilliant. However I think Capers is a great coordinator. Grant got benched but he's borderline useless IMO. I still think Belicheck & Co are the best followed by Steelers, Ravens, Saints.

    The Pack look good, although I don't rate Atlanta highly I thought they would win this as this was their Super Bowl at home. Tbh I think they did all they could in holding the Pack to FGs. Matt Ryan looks constantly flustered to me, he seems to try and do too much pre snap and never seems composed. So much for the Matty Ice moniker.

    Sometimes teams overvalue their personel. Atlanta was the flukiest of teams last season but the coaching staff figured they were a WR away from being a juggernaut, unfortunately they forgot that their defense is mediocre, Abraham is declining, their pass D is horrible, their OLine and Turner are fading. They gave up 5 picks for Jones! The Browns 2012 1st rounder is getting better each week.

    McCarthy has had a lot to do with Rodgers success. He knows how to groom QBs. Hell, when he was the OC in NO, he made Aaron Brooks an All-Pro QB. Rodgers didn't just fall into the Packers' lap being as good as he is now. Coming out of college, Rodgers was a mechanical nightmare and MM had to really do a lot of work to fix that.

    Rodgers has worked very hard to be the QB that he is, but MM's offense and ability with QBs really put him in a position to succeed. Rodgers natural abilities have really been able to come out under MM's tutelage.

    How exactly are the Ravens and Saints coaching staffs so much better?

    Agree on Atlanta, they are overrated. That trade for Jones was stupid.


    True I can't deny Rodgers became a much better QB under MM, there is a reason he dropped to 24 and it wasn't sttitude or anything of that nature. Didn't know he coached up Brooks. That reminds me Aaron Brooks went from pro bowler to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHIFLNWZBfA

    I question MM's decisions and approach in games. He seems to play conservative once the Pack have the lead. He did it all through out the playoffs but it didn't bite the Pack but it could've vs Philly, Chicago and Pitt. But he has improved his in game coaching/playcalling the past few seasons. Sean Payton does this as well, he really puzzles me at times as a playcaller. Payton gets way too cute, MM used to but he's scaled back with those calls. It's a matter of preference really ;) Harbaugh in Baltimore has done a good job in making the Ravens perrenial contenders even though they get sub par QB play at times.
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    RE: The Packers - 10/11/2011 2:34:15 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Fair enough. MM has gotten better from a playcalling stance and you are correct that at times he does get conservative. He gets a bit stubborn when he decides he's going to do something. If he wants to pass on you, he'll call pass after pass regardless of results, same with the run. He'll go in streaks vs mixing it up. I can see the preference argument with Payton as both offenses can be very similar. Frankly I don't think the Balt offense is all that great. The reason they are contenders is their overwhelming defense. It's a nice luxury when you have a good chance of winning scoring around 17-20 points.
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    RE: The Packers - 10/11/2011 7:43:35 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Ray Rice and Flacco are great players, and the Raven defense overachieves sometimes because they really don't have that great of personnel.

    I'm impressed with what McCarthy does during games, and going conservative has yielded him nothing but victories last post season, so I imagine he'll keep using that successful formula.

    Rodgers is a great QB, and Jenning, Nelson and Finley are GREAT WRs, although Finley is a little bit too full of himself.

    The Packers have a distinct competitive advantage on defense in that being the Lombardi darlings, or for whatever reason, their 2ndary is allowed to push, hold, commit PI on nearly every pass play and many, many times it doesn't get called.

    IF the Vikings 2ndary played as aggressively as the Pack, they would be flagged a minimum of 8 times a game for PI or holding, perhaps getting as many as 15 a game. And I'm not kidding. It's a distinct competitive advantage the Pack enjoy, I've seen it from no other team in the NFL.

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