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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 6:46:30 AM

Lynn G.

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David, I agree that it seems ridiculous, and I thought of that too. If race is the issue, why aren't they hollering that kind of stuff at Al Harris and Ahman Green? My conclusion was that it wasn't necessarily the race thing that they were targeting for Randy. They hate the guy and wanted to taunt him, and what came out of their mouths were racial comments. They could have dissed his driving because of the traffic lady, or they could have said something about blunts, but they went with the racial stuff because it was stronger and better matched the level of anger they felt toward him. But when things come out of our mouths, even if unplanned, it usually reflects the things we feel deep inside.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 1:54:04 PM

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[quote="David Moufang"][quote="Lynn G."]Are Packer fans more accepting of racism? I don't know, but my small exposure gave me a sour taste.[/quote] The thing is, MOST players in the NFL (Packers included) are black. So I don't get the racism. Shout a racial slur at a Vikings player and you might as well do the same to the Packers. Of all the vulgar things to utter at a football game, not only should racism not be tolerated, it's simply inexplicable. Why even watch football if you're that racist? Greg Jennings is a good receiver. Adrian Peterson is a good running back. Complain about Moss being a thug, but don't get on him because of his race. That's just ignant.[/quote] Players being Black has nothing to do with racism or lack of with fans. It is not like the fans are looking for guys to marry their daughters. For decades Whites who were racist went to sporting events. Some even came up with warped theories on athletics that attempted to say Blacks were more athletic and less intelligent.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 3:52:40 PM

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[quote="Todd Mallett"][quote="Lane Meyer"]No worries. Why is the Harris hit considered anything less than both legal and effective in bringing AD to the ground? HIs injury really stinks, but why would Harris try to injure the young man? Nothing in Harris' history would suggest he wants to be Jack Tatum's heir apparent.[/quote] There still needs to be accountability amount players. No projecting yourself like a missile at a guyâ€™s knees period. Just because it's legal doesn't mean its right. They obviously need to address this. Horse collars weren't illegal a little while ago either.[/quote] Watching highlights from Sunday's games, there were many examples of hits like this. It's almost common practice for DBs to go low on these RBs now. Hell, Polamalu came in full speed on Lewis' knees in Sunday's game, nobody says anything about that. If they aren't doing that, many are headhunting WRs looking to make a big hit. If you're going to call out and condemn Harris, be consistant and call it out everywhere.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 3:54:24 PM

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Also, want to publicly thank Lane and David for posting here. It's been rough being the only Packer poster here, glad the cavalry has shown up.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 3:58:05 PM

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Craig - your team is 8-1. You really can't complain about things being rough. Admit it - you're enjoying every single second reading the threads here and hearing how anguished Viking fans are right now.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 4:15:59 PM

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[quote="Lynn G."]Craig - your team is 8-1. You really can't complain about things being rough. Admit it - you're enjoying every single second reading the threads here and hearing how anguished Viking fans are right now.[/quote] Being the sole Packer poster here is hard, it's easy to get ganged up on and it's happened more than a couple of times and it gets tiresome. I enjoy having some other Packer fans here. That's it.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 4:51:09 PM

Lane Meyer

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[quote="Cheesehead Craig"]Also, want to publicly thank Lane and David for posting here. It's been rough being the only Packer poster here, glad the cavalry has shown up.[/quote] Glad that I rode into town Craig! You seem to have forged a respectful relationship here. I intend to do the same. Things are going good right now at 8-1. We all know how fickle the fortunes of an NFL team can be however. I just saw that Freeney from Indy may be done for the year. Perfect example of how fast things can go south for a team that only 2 short weeks ago was heading in to the latest incarnation of the Game of the Century. This team is absorbing so many injuries it's not a stretch to imagine them getting knocked out early in the playoffs. Injuries can change a season's story quicker than just about anything.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 4:57:45 PM

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[quote="Cheesehead Craig"][quote="Lynn G."]Craig - your team is 8-1. You really can't complain about things being rough. Admit it - you're enjoying every single second reading the threads here and hearing how anguished Viking fans are right now.[/quote] Being the sole Packer poster here is hard, it's easy to get ganged up on and it's happened more than a couple of times and it gets tiresome. I enjoy having some other Packer fans here. That's it.[/quote] You're not the only one here, Craig. I've been lurking here on this board (and posted on the previous Strib board now and then over the years) but usually can only take it so long. When I have posted here, I usually am complimented on being a "good" Packer fan, meaning that I give props to the Vikes when it's deserved and call out my team when they suck. However, a few posters on the Strib board (not sure if they are here or not) simply get too mean-spirited for my blood so I sometimes switch back to lurk mode when that happens. I just don't see the point of being antagonistic. Good natured rivalry and some back-and-forth smack is fine, but as a Packer backer who lives and works in Minneapolis, I get my share of abuse in person so I don't need it on the 'net. Oh and for you long timers, I used to post under my real name, Bill, because the Strib board requied real names. I'm not trying to "hide" just having fun with a nickname and avatar. Anyway, if a person has followed football long enough, you accept the ups and downs of seasons over time. It was 2 years ago that the Pack suffered through their first losing season in the Favre era and the Vikes were doing pretty good still. Now the shoe is on the other foot. When Favre retires, whenever that will be, maybe Aaron Rogers will maintain the winning tradition, maybe not. And once the Vikings get a better coach and land a good QB, they're going to turn it around too. I do feel bad that the Vikings have Childress as their coach, but I also ripped McCarthy plenty last year and this year am eating crow. I'm not saying Childress will turn things around here....he might, but I doubt it. However, I hope the Viking fans realize that up-down cycles are the status quo now in the NFL. Look at the Bears, Chargers, Saints, and Bengals. They were all riding high last year and now? I'll try to contribute through the rest of this season, but I'm not interested in flame wars. I do want to say, though, to the many Viking fans who debated with me, I think it was two years ago, whether or not Favre was spent and had nothing left in the tank, that I hope some of them admit they were wrong. I admit his last two seasons weren't very good, but I also thought that he still had plenty of talent to succeed. Apparently, whether it was McCarthy's discipline, Brett's acceptance of the short game philosophy, finally getting some quality receivers, or the defense jelling into a formidable unit (KGB and Aaron K both in the top 5 in the league in sacks), I don't know. But it's nice to see the old man with the numbers (and victories) he has this seaons. It's also nice to see other QBs (Peyton Manning) can have horrid games (6 picks) too. So, Craig, you're not alone, although I'm sure it feels that way. And to the Viking fans here, I sincerely hope Adrian P will heal 100 percent because he is a helluva exciting player and seems like a very classy guy. I also hope Childress doesn't push him too fast so that the injury worsens instead of getting better. That would be a true shame.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 5:00:53 PM

Lynn G.

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quote:

I do want to say, though, to the many Viking fans who debated with me, I think it was two years ago, whether or not Favre was spent and had nothing left in the tank, that I hope some of them admit they were wrong.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 5:32:39 PM

Lane Meyer

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[quote="Lynn G."]

quote:

I do want to say, though, to the many Viking fans who debated with me, I think it was two years ago, whether or not Favre was spent and had nothing left in the tank, that I hope some of them admit they were wrong.

I was probably one who debated that with you, and I will admit that I was wrong. I can't believe he's playing as well as he is this year, and I would have lost a lot of money had I made any kind of bet on that previously. I've had alot of fun with my friends that are not Packer fans on that issue. You've got Adrian now though and I don't see the rest of the NFC North enjoying his stay in the Twin Cities all that much. #1 Bart Starr fan; Nice avatar! I spent alot of time on the Strib boards as well over the years and as I stated previously, I like to argue a point. I don't believe that is such a terrible thing when done with a modicum of respect and intelligence. Many times it just degenerated into attack mode, but generally, if one keeps the personal stuff out of play, things work out well. At least in my experience.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 6:05:43 PM

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Welcome aboard Bart! Great to have you here.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 6:40:45 PM

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Welcome to the site, #1Bart Starr :beer: Our team is struggling but we know how to run a message board. :cool:

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 6:50:56 PM

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[quote="Duane Sampson"]Welcome to the site, #1Bart Starr :beer: Our team is struggling but we know how to run a message board. :cool:[/quote] That you do...this is a lot better than the Strib board ever was. And again, feel free to call me by either my avatar or Bill. It's all good. And thanks for the welcome. And finally, as if it needed saying, I am a huge Bart Starr fan. The man was and still is all class, he and wife Cherry both, and have shown it through all the good work they have done and continue to do in the wake of their personal tragedy. It's one of the reasons I have stayed a fan of his through the years. He may not have been the best coach the Pack ever had, but he wasn't too shabby a QB in his time!

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 6:57:06 PM

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I've got a buddy that's a huge Bart Starr fan. We're both old enough to remember him playing too. (barely) :shock:

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 7:07:36 PM

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[quote="Duane Sampson"]I've got a buddy that's a huge Bart Starr fan. We're both old enough to remember him playing too. (barely) :shock:[/quote] I started watching the Pack regularly in 1965. From that year, I remember the great game in the fog in Baltimore where Paul Hornung scored all those points (BTW, how come he never gets much credit these days? the guy could run, catch passes AND was their place kicker and not half bad at that!) and then vividly recall how the Packer defense stymied the great Jim Brown in the 1965 NFL title game. That was sweet to watch! After that, I watched all their games (yeah, even when they sucked after Lombardi left) until I moved here (The Twin Cities) in 1981 and then I watched when I could see them but find of fell off in my passion...I started following them again more religiously in the nineties, probably because by then I was divorced; my former wife (married to her from 1976-1989) was no football fan. My current partner (of almost twelve years), Kathryn, is a HUGE football fan AND a Packer fan too, so I'm lucky that she gets as worked up (sometimes more) than I do. You should hear her when the Packer kick coverage is bad...she's just screaming at the TV! :lol: But yeah, I do miss the days of Max (how sad was that), Bart, the two Willies (Wood and Davis), Taylor and Hornung, Carroll Dale and Boyd Dowler, Nitschke, Adderly...hell, all of 'em. And the rest of the league was fun to watch then too...the Fearsome Foursome, Milt Plum and the Lions, Gale Sayers with the Bears, but some of the best memories are when my mom, RIP, used to get so mad her face would go beet red when the Pack would play the Tarkenton era Vikes. She'd be yelling "Get the liitle SOB" as he'd scramble around. Man, good times for sure. She was probably the reason I started watching football. She and my dad just loved the Packers. Wish they had lived to see them return to glory (they died in 1989 and 1990).

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 7:52:30 PM

Lane Meyer

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That's funny Bill, I've told my father that when I was a kid the only time I remember actually being worried that he would break the TV was those Vike's games. Frantic Francis drove my dad nuts as well.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 8:20:23 PM

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I remember my dad watching the games back in the Lynn Dickey era (I seem a bit younger than you two) and the words "They're playing like horse sh*t!" came out a lot from my dad (much to my mother's shagrin). But when he wasn't at the games in Milwaukee or the occasional Lambeau visit, he was watching them on TV every Sunday. I guess that how most of us got started into the sickness that is following our NFL team. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 8:31:43 PM

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Speaking of Lambeau. Kathryn and I scored tickets to the tilt against Carolina this Sunday. I sure hope we don't have a letdown and lose to THEM! It would be nice to watch us put up another 5 TDs and shut out the Panthers. Oh well, any trip to Lambeau is good...a win only makes it all the sweeter.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 8:57:20 PM

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:welcome: To the new Packer fans that have joined us. Please excuse me for not being part of your thread much other than to show off my avatar. Carry on! :beer:

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 9:12:01 PM

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I think my first memory of the Packers is the Snow Bowl against Tampa Bay in 1985. I became a fan in the dark years of the Forrest Gregg era. I guess when you start liking a team in their worst days, you're a fan for life because it can only go up from there. I vividly remember the 87 and 88 seasons, two of the worst years in packers history. I can recall my dad watching, but also my maternal grandfather, who absolutely hated the Vikings with an unequaled passion. GB swept the Vikes both of those years (the last consecutive years before now), and those games were definitely the highlights. As a child, I think I saw the rivalry as good versus evil.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 10:52:48 PM

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Back in the '60s, I don't think it was the Vikings who were the most-hated team by Packer fans at all. Not even close. I think it had to have been the Cowboys. Man, I hated those guys! That's what made the back-to-back NFL championships so sweet, esp. the Ice Bowl. If you have the Ice Bowl DVD (or VHS) some of those Cowboys are still upset about the supposed off-side by Kramer on the QB sneak and the rumor that Lombardi had purposely planned to have the field ice over (to eliminate the Cowboys speed advantage). Funny story about the Ice Bowl. So, Mom, Dad and I are all in the living room watching the game. Comes just before that last play, Mom utters "I simply can't watch" and she retreated into the kitchen. Dad slumped in his rocking chair and literally hid his face in his hands. So, I was the only one who saw the play live. I remember Mom running into the living room when I started whooping and hollering. I thought Dad was going to have a heart attack. He looked stunned. Mom was almost in tears. I merely said "I knew they'd win." Yeah, right! :roll:

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 10:54:01 PM

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Is Tom Brady the new Bart Starr?

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 11:19:49 PM

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[quote="#1 Bart Starr fan"]Back in the '60s, I don't think it was the Vikings who were the most-hated team by Packer fans at all. Not even close. I think it had to have been the Cowboys. Man, I hated those guys! That's what made the back-to-back NFL championships so sweet, esp. the Ice Bowl. If you have the Ice Bowl DVD (or VHS) some of those Cowboys are still upset about the supposed off-side by Kramer on the QB sneak and the rumor that Lombardi had purposely planned to have the field ice over (to eliminate the Cowboys speed advantage). Funny story about the Ice Bowl. So, Mom, Dad and I are all in the living room watching the game. Comes just before that last play, Mom utters "I simply can't watch" and she retreated into the kitchen. Dad slumped in his rocking chair and literally hid his face in his hands. So, I was the only one who saw the play live. I remember Mom running into the living room when I started whooping and hollering. I thought Dad was going to have a heart attack. He looked stunned. Mom was almost in tears. I merely said "I knew they'd win." Yeah, right! :roll:[/quote] I just watched the Ice Bowl DVD a couple nights ago. BTW, the 40th anniversary is on New Year's Eve. I wish I could've seen it or even been there. It just seems like the game totally embodies the essence of football. Horrible conditions, a close game, down to the last minute, miraculous finish. Everything about it is just so dramatic. Have you seen the statues of the line-up on that QB sneak at the Packers HOF? It almost reminds me of some of the Washington DC monuments; so eerie and timeless. Anyway, I know what you mean about the Cowboys being a rival. I watched most of the playoff games in the 90s when we were slaughtered three years in a row by Dallas. We could have a rematch this year, the way things are going.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 11:23:22 PM

Lane Meyer

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I'd disagree with you on the Pack's most hated rivals from the '60's, Bill, no offense of course. I think without a doubt it was the Bears with the Colts coming in second. The Bears were a good team in that era (winning it all in '63) and the proximity to Milwaukee coupled with the clash of two of the strongest personalities and most successful coaches made the Bears the absolute unquestioned #1 hated rival IMHO. Hornung has told the story many times of Halas walking into the Packer locker room before a tilt in that era and asking for Lombardi. When Vince met Halas, Halas proceeded to tell Vince that he'd better have the Packers ready because the Bears were going to "kick your ass" on that day. Lombardi and Halas is the kind of storyline which makes for legendary rivalry. Mr Childress: Your "Brady is the modern day Starr" statement, is pretty much how I saw it before this year and Brady's remarkable TD pace. I still think it is a pretty good comparison, not so much because Starr threw as well as Brady, but the consistently superior clutch play. For those that would doubt Starr's credentials, take a look at his numbers in the playoffs. He was, for example, 9-1 in the playoffs with 5 NFL Championships. His passing numbers in playoff games would surprise alot of folks as well, I'd be willing to bet. Again, Bill, no offense intended.

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RE:The Packers - 11/14/2007 11:37:40 PM

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Lane, no offense taken whatsoever. I thought long and hard about the Bears being number 1, but in our household, maybe it was a personal thing. Between "Dandy Don's" smugness, the Cowboy swagger (which was already in place) and how Landry was the opposite of Vince (being the stoic unflappable technician as opposed to Vince's incendiary motivator), me and my folks and the fans we knew felt that the Cowboys were worse because, unlike the Bears who we grudgingly respected, the Cowboys were upstart little pissants who relied more on flash and trickery than on blood and guts football. I remember Vince once being quoted (either in Run to Daylight or Kramer's Instant Replay (I think it was the former) that execution was everything and trickery was for teams that didn't have what it took to win. He predicted that if everyone on the Packer offense did their job, he could tell their opponent the exact play the Pack would run and the defense still couldn't stop it (e.g. the legendary sweep). Of course, that's what made the "sneak" in the Ice Bowl so brilliant. hehehe As for the Colts...yeah, again I had forgotten our battles with Raymond Berry, John Mackey, Tom Matte, Unitas, and that deceptively solid defense. We didn't much care for the John Brodie-led 49ers either, if memory serves.

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