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RE:Randy Moss - 11/23/2007 9:49:42 PM   
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[quote="John Childress"]My dream team would have those two starting at WR together.[/quote] Leaving aside the off-field stuff, that would be amazing to see. Owens is your typical Irving Fryar or Eric Martin like possession style receiver - big, always has good position - except way better. Moss is the perfect complementary downfield threat. With half a quarterback, I could rush for 1500 yards on the same team as those two. There would be no defenders left to worry about the running game!
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RE:Randy Moss - 11/26/2007 2:49:27 PM   
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Moss really came up small, again, versus the Eagles. Man Jim Johnson has his number.
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RE:Randy Moss - 11/26/2007 5:06:36 PM   
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In the 1st quarter I thought the game plan was to get Moss the receptions in a game record but then they quit throwing to him. He was getting open plenty as far as I could see.
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RE:Randy Moss - 11/27/2007 12:15:28 AM  1 votes
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[quote="Toby Stumbo"]In the 1st quarter I thought the game plan was to get Moss the receptions in a game record but then they quit throwing to him. He was getting open plenty as far as I could see.[/quote] He dropped two balls - one with a tough hit and the other on a bomb. After that, Brady didn't have confidence in him. funny how quickly that changes
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RE:Randy Moss - 11/27/2007 12:43:25 AM   
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There is an interesting article on ESPN comparing the old Moss vs the new Moss and the Old TO vs the new TO. He has some very good things to say about Moss. TO and Moss: Are new versions better than old? It’s always something with these two. Take Sunday. Terrell Owens scores four touchdowns against the Redskins in an afternoon game; Randy Moss scores four in the first half against the Bills later that night. A few years ago, Moss would bail on plays; Owens would tear apart a locker room. Owens' career has been reborn with the Cowboys; same with Moss' and the Pats. Moss catches an absurd number of scores (16) from his heart-melting, depressingly handsome quarterback; Owens catches a ridiculous number (12) from his heart-melting, depressingly handsome quarterback. It's gotta end at some point. Both have been destined for greatness, assuming they can get out of their own way. And now that thev're done that, now that they're out of Minnesota and Oakland and San Francisco and Philly, now that there are no Sharpies hidden in socks or a Randy Ratio to contend with, now that Tom Walsh and Bill Parcells are long gone, two former divas are unquestionably masters of their craft. Owens has been comparing himself to Moss since the turn of the century, at various times saying that he's "better than Randy" because "I run over the middle." It was Owens, after all, who made a big deal about the two 81s when the Pats visited the Cowboys on Nov. 11. If this were "Around the Horn," we'd holler about who has the better hands, who runs better routes and who's more dependable in the clutch. We'd holler until spit stains cover the camera lens because that's always the big question, right: Who's Moss? Well, between giving traffic cops lifts and taking plays off and disappearing in Oakland for two years, it's tough to tell whether he even knows Owens exists. But you know what? It's so tiresome to compare them to each other. It's better to see how they stack up against themselves. Is Owens better now than when he was signing footballs in the end zone, less controversial and more loved? Is Moss better now than as a youngster snagging bombs in the Metrodome? And has age -- Owens is 33, Moss 30 -- impossibly made these two better? Now that's an argument. WHY OWENS WAS BETTER THEN: Look, this one is easy: His hands were better. Last year, Owens led the league with 15 drops. This year, he has the top spot again with eight, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. This might not be surprising until you consider that he dropped seven total in his two years in Philly. And Owens can't blame his bobbling on bad quarterbacks. With Steve Young, Jeff Garcia, Donovan McNabb, Drew Bledsoe and Tony Romo, few receivers have ever had better signal-callers throwing them the ball. Having good hands is all concentration. As a 49er -- and for his first year as an Eagle, really -- Owens was overworked, underpaid, overachieving and underappreciated. He wasn't well-known at Tennessee-Chattanooga, and as the 49ers' third-round pick in 1996, he wasn't supposed to do anything other than back up J.J. Stokes, a first-rounder from a year earlier. His hands were better back then because they had to be. Owens was more driven then than he is now -- and that's saying something because he's very driven today. But nothing can compare to the fight to be entirely set for life as a professional athlete rather than getting pink-slipped. Owens watched how Jerry Rice did his job -- and how he complained when he didn't get the ball -- and eventually unseated him. It's hard to imagine at times, but Owens was nothing but classy when he caught 20 passes in Rice's final game as a 49er and dedicated the game to his idol. As the Niners' main star from then on, he caught 97, 93 and 100 passes in the 2000-02 seasons. Fat and happy as a Cowboy last year, he would have tied his career high for receptions if not for one little issue. Dropping the ball. WHY OWENS IS BETTER NOW: Watch Owens walk the sideline or around the locker room, and you'll see guys stopping to joke and laugh. Against the Giants on Nov. 11, as Owens ran onto the field in the fourth quarter, Cowboys safety Ken Hamlin patted him on the back and implored him to, "Put a nail in it! Put a nail in it!” See, Owens is liked in Dallas. Loved, actually. This isn't the guy who implied that Garcia was gay. Or who took a million backhanded cracks at McNabb. Or who fought former Eagles star Hugh Douglas. Or who did sit-ups in his driveway and allowed his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, to utter "Next question!" a million times on his behalf. In the past, Owens would throw away whatever good will he'd acquired. After he caught nine passes for 122 yards in Super Bowl XXXIX on a badly injured ankle, he took a crack at McNabb and decided he wanted a new contract. There wasn't a more hated athlete in America. That guy doesn't exist now. He's less TO, more Terrell Owens. He's a dream teammate. He's saying fewer controversial things so that the guys in the locker room don't have to answer for him. Not that many have noticed. Sure, every now and then you'll see Owens break down in an interview, claiming to be misrepresented and misunderstood. But did you see him yelling at the Giants fans a few weeks ago? That's what he wants to be: hated outside the locker room and loved in it. Year Team Catches Yards TDs 2000-02 (average per season) 49ers 97 1,388 14 2007 (projected totals) Cowboys 93 1,645 19 Original Moss vs. Modern Moss WHY MOSS WAS BETTER THEN: No receiver has ever done more with less than Moss. Before this year, Moss has been on the receiving end of passes from over-the-hill types such as Randall Cunningham and Jeff George; so-so journeymen such as Brad Johnson, Kerry Collins, Bubby Brister, Aaron Brooks and Gus Frerotte; and jokes such as Spergon Wynn, Todd Bouman and Andrew Walter. True, Daunte Culpepper had some Pro Bowl years playing with Moss, but judging how he has played since the two spilt, Culpepper is learning the hard way that not every receiver can pluck inaccurate deep passes out of the air for touchdowns. Moss’ greatness has extended past quarterbacks. You have to wonder whether then-offensive coordinator Brian Billick would have been hired as a head coach if Moss hadn't slipped to the Vikings in the 1998 draft. Moss was great because he's simply the most gifted athlete ever to play receiver, and he was at the peak of his athletic abilities. Moss is the least deceptive receiver in NFL history. Opponents used to joke that he ran only two routes: slant and streak. But he was still unstoppable. He could reportedly run a 4.2 40, hang in the air like smoke and make impossible catches look routine. He had at least 10 touchdowns in six of his first seven years. Watching Moss in those years was watching an athletic phenom at his physical peak. WHY MOSS IS BETTER NOW: Nobody knew better that Moss carried his quarterbacks than Moss himself. And it affected his play. If Moss had a passer he truly respected -- no, feared -- he never would have loafed, nor would he have bragged about loafing, nor would he have had three incidents with referees in a 13-month span, as he once did. He still might have done stupid things out of uniform, but he wouldn't have been a distraction on the field. Moss has seen Tom Brady win three Super Bowls. Moss has seen Brady clinch a bust in Canton at age 27. If Moss wants a ring, Brady will show him how to get it. That level of respect cannot be measured, nor can it be emphasized enough. As Dennis Rodman looked up to Michael Jordan, Moss does with Brady. Brady is the first quarterback Moss has played with who, if there were a draft today, unequivocally would be picked ahead of him. For once, Moss is the weak link. Moss says he has been misunderstood in his career? Prove it, because this quarterback will not tolerate anything less than perfection. That’s why in interviews Moss acts like a giddy subordinate. He's pleased to be the lesser of two stars. But in pads, Moss is showing he's more than worthy. Anyone who watched the first half of Week 7's Patriots-Dolphins game knows Moss has raised his game to that of Brady's. Twice, Brady threw into double coverage. Twice, the ball should have been intercepted. Twice Moss scored touchdowns. Year Team Catches Yards TDs 2003 (best season) Vikings 111 1,632 17 2007 (projected totals) Patriots 106 1,683 26 Verdicts With Owens, it's this: Does the fact that he's less of a distraction now outweigh his drops? As annoying as drops are -- and as counter to logic as it is to make inconsistent hands second to any other factor for a receiver -- Owens can rip a team apart if he wishes. It's better in the long run for him to juggle a few passes and make up for it in big plays (his 17.1 yards per catch is more than Moss' 16.5) than for his teammates to have to be asked constantly about Owens' behavior. So the 2007 version gets the nod. With Moss, it's easy. Although his physical skills have eroded slightly since 1998, he still can jump higher than any other receiver in the NFL and still has better hands. Motivation has always been his issue, and it hasn't been one this year. Today's Moss is better than he was in previous years, (Oh and by the way, Moss is also better than Owens. Always has been. And don't even e-mail to argue.) Seth Wickersham is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine and a columnist for ESPN.com.
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/1/2007 3:09:58 PM   
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I see Brady came out and said basically for Jaws to shut the hell up. Jaws may be entirely right..........but during Randy's stay in Minny, aside from the token, comments, did Randy ever have anyone (i.e., coach or player) come out make a bold statement, and basically tell the media to shut the hell up? I certainly never can remember it.
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/1/2007 8:37:14 PM  1 votes
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BRady can say whatever he wants but it was clear to anyone else watching Moss lost his attitude after the big hit and was not going 100%. Now I disagree with Jaws making an issue out of it because he doesn't do that with any other players. All players have bad games and games where they are not fully into it. But Moss is just about the only one who constantly gets berated for it on a national stage. Remember the game a few years back when SF came to the Dome and got smoked? Owens quit in that game and you didn't hear anything about it.
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/1/2007 8:40:36 PM   
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[quote="John Childress"] Now I disagree with Jaws making an issue out of it because he doesn't do that with any other players. All players have bad games and games where they are not fully into it. But Moss is just about the only one who constantly gets berated for it on a national stage. [/quote] That's my biggest beef too. Where is all the criticism for the other receivers in the league who fall back in a single game? He's been excellent this entire season and an undeniably huge asset for the team - what's with putting the spotlight all the time on one guy, for one game?
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/1/2007 8:44:15 PM   
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Agreed Lynn It is the laziness of sports "journalists". They go for the easy story. Once they learn decide one thing they repeat it forever. The Packers are another example. All the talk about Favre but to me the real reason their offense is much better is the development of their WRs and even that new RB. The offense was just as proficient with Rodgers in there as it was with Favre. But instead of detailed stories on how these young guys developed we hear another "he's just having fun" story again.
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/1/2007 9:58:54 PM   
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I think you guys missed my whole point. Whether who is right or wrong, Randy never had anyone stick up for him in Minny. He never had anyone come out and say you guy are full of sh*&
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/1/2007 10:44:17 PM   
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Andy, I read what you said and I was about to write that Culpepper stood up for Moss in the press a couple of times - but then I couldn't really remember a precise quote or occasion, so I thought I better shut up. :D
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/1/2007 10:48:02 PM  1 votes
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Many players stood up for Moss early in his career with the Vikings. Are we developing memory loss or something. But players did grow tired of his antics and they stood up less for him each year. Randy Moss has to take some of the blame for this as well. He DID do stupid things. He is not free from blame. How did that squirting the water bottle thing work out?
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/3/2007 2:15:22 AM   
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It would be so nice to start living in the present.....People make mistakes, we all have done it. Its too bad people like the media and JAWS specifically have to try and create a story out of nothing. Philly took Moss out of the game....and maybe the pop he got spun his head a little......Whatever the reason, Moss didn't play well....it happens to EVERYONE!
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/4/2007 6:54:40 PM  1 votes
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2 bad games in a row for Moss I am getting concerned
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/4/2007 8:19:54 PM   
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Such high standards. The two bad games for Moss, include Philly playing a triple coverage on him and the refs stealing a td away from him on a BS oPI call. Then horrible weather at Baltimore he drops two balls, both would have been hard catches, impossible for average receivers and not caught by many and we are quick to pile on that he is having bad games. By the way he did catch a touchdown pass. How many balls did Watson drop last night? Two touchdowns for sure. Welker was invisible compared to his usual play and Stallworth took his eyes off of one of the better thrown balls by Brady last night. The weather really messed with Bradys touch and accuracy last night. Boller really show what a strong arm he has throwing in the same conditions, if ever gets the mental savvy down, he still has a chance to be good. Talk about setting the bar higher for some than others. Every reciever in history has dropped catchable passes for one reason or another, sometimes has nothing to do with lack of focus. I am sick of Jaws and Hodges of the world that pinpoint one play in Philly where they feel, they don't know for sure, but feel Moss cut his route off, causing an interception. How about it was a poorly thrown pass, not to him, but since Moss is responsible, like no other reciever past and present, for tying up 2 to 3 guys every play, the int was his fault. Gimme a break.
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/4/2007 8:28:17 PM   
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Water Bottle? That screw job by the refs should have not been allowed to last throughout his 3rd season, much less be a grudge against him his whole career. What a joke, that was inocuous compared to other crap that is never used as a grudge against other players. Remember the Offensive Pass Interference penaties they called to take tDs away from him that 3rd year, If he he removed the defenders hand from his jersey he got called. One game in Tampa, he made no contact, OPI was called and when he tapped the ref on the shoulder to question it, he was tossed. Meanwhile the same week Aikman pushed an official crying about a call and Farve hit one, by accident in the face with a football between plays. I don't understand why Ray Lewis has been so readily forgiven by the NFL. Last night the refs asked Ray for help in keeping the peace at halftime. Ray used to scream about calls a touch refs on the shoulders and I have never heard of him getting anything. I still believe the Vikings ranking high with the raiders in penalties the last 30 years is related to a whiskey bottle to the head in the Hail Mary game. Where the refs screwed us out of the game. It is like if you get screwed and cry rape, they beat you again for complaining. If you lay there and take it, they make it up to you eventually I guess.
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/6/2007 2:29:20 PM   
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[quote="John Childress"]2 bad games in a row for Moss I am getting concerned[/quote] He's washed up!
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/6/2007 7:53:40 PM   
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[quote="Ron W"]There is an interesting article on ESPN comparing the old Moss vs the new Moss and the Old TO vs the new TO. He has some very good things to say about Moss. TO and Moss: Are new versions better than old? It’s always something with these two. Take Sunday. Terrell Owens scores four touchdowns against the Redskins in an afternoon game; Randy Moss scores four in the first half against the Bills later that night. A few years ago, Moss would bail on plays; Owens would tear apart a locker room. Owens' career has been reborn with the Cowboys; same with Moss' and the Pats. Moss catches an absurd number of scores (16) from his heart-melting, depressingly handsome quarterback; Owens catches a ridiculous number (12) from his heart-melting, depressingly handsome quarterback. It's gotta end at some point. Both have been destined for greatness, assuming they can get out of their own way. And now that thev're done that, now that they're out of Minnesota and Oakland and San Francisco and Philly, now that there are no Sharpies hidden in socks or a Randy Ratio to contend with, now that Tom Walsh and Bill Parcells are long gone, two former divas are unquestionably masters of their craft. Owens has been comparing himself to Moss since the turn of the century, at various times saying that he's "better than Randy" because "I run over the middle." It was Owens, after all, who made a big deal about the two 81s when the Pats visited the Cowboys on Nov. 11. If this were "Around the Horn," we'd holler about who has the better hands, who runs better routes and who's more dependable in the clutch. We'd holler until spit stains cover the camera lens because that's always the big question, right: Who's Moss? Well, between giving traffic cops lifts and taking plays off and disappearing in Oakland for two years, it's tough to tell whether he even knows Owens exists. But you know what? It's so tiresome to compare them to each other. It's better to see how they stack up against themselves. Is Owens better now than when he was signing footballs in the end zone, less controversial and more loved? Is Moss better now than as a youngster snagging bombs in the Metrodome? And has age -- Owens is 33, Moss 30 -- impossibly made these two better? Now that's an argument. WHY OWENS WAS BETTER THEN: Look, this one is easy: His hands were better. Last year, Owens led the league with 15 drops. This year, he has the top spot again with eight, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. This might not be surprising until you consider that he dropped seven total in his two years in Philly. And Owens can't blame his bobbling on bad quarterbacks. With Steve Young, Jeff Garcia, Donovan McNabb, Drew Bledsoe and Tony Romo, few receivers have ever had better signal-callers throwing them the ball. Having good hands is all concentration. As a 49er -- and for his first year as an Eagle, really -- Owens was overworked, underpaid, overachieving and underappreciated. He wasn't well-known at Tennessee-Chattanooga, and as the 49ers' third-round pick in 1996, he wasn't supposed to do anything other than back up J.J. Stokes, a first-rounder from a year earlier. His hands were better back then because they had to be. Owens was more driven then than he is now -- and that's saying something because he's very driven today. But nothing can compare to the fight to be entirely set for life as a professional athlete rather than getting pink-slipped. Owens watched how Jerry Rice did his job -- and how he complained when he didn't get the ball -- and eventually unseated him. It's hard to imagine at times, but Owens was nothing but classy when he caught 20 passes in Rice's final game as a 49er and dedicated the game to his idol. As the Niners' main star from then on, he caught 97, 93 and 100 passes in the 2000-02 seasons. Fat and happy as a Cowboy last year, he would have tied his career high for receptions if not for one little issue. Dropping the ball. WHY OWENS IS BETTER NOW: Watch Owens walk the sideline or around the locker room, and you'll see guys stopping to joke and laugh. Against the Giants on Nov. 11, as Owens ran onto the field in the fourth quarter, Cowboys safety Ken Hamlin patted him on the back and implored him to, "Put a nail in it! Put a nail in it!” See, Owens is liked in Dallas. Loved, actually. This isn't the guy who implied that Garcia was gay. Or who took a million backhanded cracks at McNabb. Or who fought former Eagles star Hugh Douglas. Or who did sit-ups in his driveway and allowed his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, to utter "Next question!" a million times on his behalf. In the past, Owens would throw away whatever good will he'd acquired. After he caught nine passes for 122 yards in Super Bowl XXXIX on a badly injured ankle, he took a crack at McNabb and decided he wanted a new contract. There wasn't a more hated athlete in America. That guy doesn't exist now. He's less TO, more Terrell Owens. He's a dream teammate. He's saying fewer controversial things so that the guys in the locker room don't have to answer for him. Not that many have noticed. Sure, every now and then you'll see Owens break down in an interview, claiming to be misrepresented and misunderstood. But did you see him yelling at the Giants fans a few weeks ago? That's what he wants to be: hated outside the locker room and loved in it. Year Team Catches Yards TDs 2000-02 (average per season) 49ers 97 1,388 14 2007 (projected totals) Cowboys 93 1,645 19 Original Moss vs. Modern Moss WHY MOSS WAS BETTER THEN: No receiver has ever done more with less than Moss. Before this year, Moss has been on the receiving end of passes from over-the-hill types such as Randall Cunningham and Jeff George; so-so journeymen such as Brad Johnson, Kerry Collins, Bubby Brister, Aaron Brooks and Gus Frerotte; and jokes such as Spergon Wynn, Todd Bouman and Andrew Walter. True, Daunte Culpepper had some Pro Bowl years playing with Moss, but judging how he has played since the two spilt, Culpepper is learning the hard way that not every receiver can pluck inaccurate deep passes out of the air for touchdowns. Moss’ greatness has extended past quarterbacks. You have to wonder whether then-offensive coordinator Brian Billick would have been hired as a head coach if Moss hadn't slipped to the Vikings in the 1998 draft. Moss was great because he's simply the most gifted athlete ever to play receiver, and he was at the peak of his athletic abilities. Moss is the least deceptive receiver in NFL history. Opponents used to joke that he ran only two routes: slant and streak. But he was still unstoppable. He could reportedly run a 4.2 40, hang in the air like smoke and make impossible catches look routine. He had at least 10 touchdowns in six of his first seven years. Watching Moss in those years was watching an athletic phenom at his physical peak. WHY MOSS IS BETTER NOW: Nobody knew better that Moss carried his quarterbacks than Moss himself. And it affected his play. If Moss had a passer he truly respected -- no, feared -- he never would have loafed, nor would he have bragged about loafing, nor would he have had three incidents with referees in a 13-month span, as he once did. He still might have done stupid things out of uniform, but he wouldn't have been a distraction on the field. Moss has seen Tom Brady win three Super Bowls. Moss has seen Brady clinch a bust in Canton at age 27. If Moss wants a ring, Brady will show him how to get it. That level of respect cannot be measured, nor can it be emphasized enough. As Dennis Rodman looked up to Michael Jordan, Moss does with Brady. Brady is the first quarterback Moss has played with who, if there were a draft today, unequivocally would be picked ahead of him. For once, Moss is the weak link. Moss says he has been misunderstood in his career? Prove it, because this quarterback will not tolerate anything less than perfection. That’s why in interviews Moss acts like a giddy subordinate. He's pleased to be the lesser of two stars. But in pads, Moss is showing he's more than worthy. Anyone who watched the first half of Week 7's Patriots-Dolphins game knows Moss has raised his game to that of Brady's. Twice, Brady threw into double coverage. Twice, the ball should have been intercepted. Twice Moss scored touchdowns. Year Team Catches Yards TDs 2003 (best season) Vikings 111 1,632 17 2007 (projected totals) Patriots 106 1,683 26 Verdicts With Owens, it's this: Does the fact that he's less of a distraction now outweigh his drops? As annoying as drops are -- and as counter to logic as it is to make inconsistent hands second to any other factor for a receiver -- Owens can rip a team apart if he wishes. It's better in the long run for him to juggle a few passes and make up for it in big plays (his 17.1 yards per catch is more than Moss' 16.5) than for his teammates to have to be asked constantly about Owens' behavior. So the 2007 version gets the nod. With Moss, it's easy. Although his physical skills have eroded slightly since 1998, he still can jump higher than any other receiver in the NFL and still has better hands. Motivation has always been his issue, and it hasn't been one this year. Today's Moss is better than he was in previous years, (Oh and by the way, Moss is also better than Owens. Always has been. And don't even e-mail to argue.) Seth Wickersham is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine and a columnist for ESPN.com. [/quote] I edited the post to include the article. Moss probably would not project to quite the same totals after the last two games.
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RE:Randy Moss - 12/8/2007 4:27:11 AM   
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Without question Moss is the most giffted WR in the history of the NFL. Rice included.
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RE: RE:Randy Moss - 12/18/2007 6:22:04 PM   
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So....One has to wonder.....Moss needs 4 TD's to break Rice's record and Brady needs what...5? to break Mannings.....Think they will be gunning for those these last two weeks of the season?
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RE: RE:Randy Moss - 12/19/2007 3:05:21 AM   
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So....One has to wonder.....Moss needs 4 TD's to break Rice's record and Brady needs what...5? to break Mannings.....Think they will be gunning for those these last two weeks of the season?


I personally think they'll be gunning for it next game. 
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RE: RE:Randy Moss - 12/19/2007 8:32:12 PM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

So....One has to wonder.....Moss needs 4 TD's to break Rice's record and Brady needs what...5? to break Mannings.....Think they will be gunning for those these last two weeks of the season?


I personally think they'll be gunning for it next game. 

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I don't think so.  They have two possible bad weather games left and I personally think that NE will be making a point to work on their running game.  Also, I don't think Brady or Moss care about those particular records, and I'd bet a bundle that Belichick doesn't care about them.
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RE: RE:Randy Moss - 12/19/2007 10:37:29 PM  1 votes
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just out of curiosity, how often was Manning pulled in the year he got the record?

i dont remember a lot of hoopla about running up the score, bad defense maybe?

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RE: RE:Randy Moss - 12/20/2007 12:40:11 AM   
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I don't think so.  They have two possible bad weather games left and I personally think that NE will be making a point to work on their running game.  Also, I don't think Brady or Moss care about those particular records, and I'd bet a bundle that Belichick doesn't care about them.


I can't find the article now, but Brady and Moss beasically said they would like to break the records and Belichick supported that.  They'll be passing regardless of the weather, you can bet on that.  
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RE: RE:Randy Moss - 12/21/2007 6:48:38 AM   
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[quote="John Childress"]2 bad games in a row for Moss I am getting concerned
He's washed up!


Take it to the Brad H was right thread
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