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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 3:52:33 PM   
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Ronnie Wash has admitted to cheating on his wife. Contributed to his resignation.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 3:56:49 PM   
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Ronnie Wash has admitted to cheating on his wife. Contributed to his resignation.


Was he trying to find a girlfriend named Amie???????




sorry.....feel bad for Wash....a good guy. Hope he and his wife work it out.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 3:58:20 PM   
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Yep. Have no idea why ... but I've always wanted good stuff for him.
Even with all the vices he has.

< Message edited by SoMnFan -- 9/18/2014 4:04:05 PM >


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 4:14:21 PM   
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Bring Ron Washington home to lead the Twins in 2015. These kids would love playing for him. He'd be perfect for their development.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 4:17:51 PM   
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Bring Ron Washington home to lead the Twins in 2015. These kids would love playing for him. He'd be perfect for their development.

Fourteen thousand sheople just read that ... and passed out.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 4:19:56 PM   
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Ixnay. We think Gardy makes poor choices in the playoffs...

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 4:51:21 PM   
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A's getting pole-axed again today by the Rangers.
Sheesh guys ... put on a Band-Aid or something.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 5:27:34 PM   
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Jayson Starks take ...


I can remember when it used to be a compliment to be called “the best team in baseball.” Ha. Not anymore.

Now, all of a sudden, it’s an indication you’re about to roar off a cliff -- in about the next 20 minutes.

Which brings us to the latest edition of our ever-popular September History Watch. Our subjects: The A’s and Red Sox -- two teams we were referring to, not so long ago, as “the best team in baseball,” but now cause us to ask:

What the heck happened?

Where do their unbelievable falls rank among the most historic in baseball? Take a look.

The collapse of the mighty A's

On Aug. 10, with just 45 games to play, the A’s still led the Angels by four games in the AL West. You can look it up. Boy, those were the days.

But we woke up Thursday morning to video montages of the Angels spraying champagne -- and the A’s trying to figure out how they managed to drop 15.5 games in the standings sooooo fast.

The tumbling A's lost 17 of 29 games last month.
So how rare is it for a first-place team to plummet that far in the standings in the final weeks of the season? I ran that topic past the Elias Sports Bureau. Here’s what it reported:

• Just eight other first-place teams since 1900 have lost 15 games or more in the standings at any point in August. They include three of the most infamous collapsers in history: the 1969 and ’77 Cubs, and the 1914 New York Giants.

• Three of those teams actually dropped by at least 18 games in the standings once they began tumbling: the ’77 Cubs (22.5, in the final 58 games), the 1905 Cleveland Naps (19.5, in the final 65 games) and 1977 Twins (18.0, in the final 42 games).

• But wait. Only three of those teams held an August lead, at any point, that was as large as Oakland’s, or larger -- the 1969 Cubs (9.0 ahead), the 1914 Giants (up 6.5) and a 1977 White Sox team (led by 4.5 on Aug. 1) that crumbled in sync with those ’77 Twins, in the most historic parallel swan dives in history. So we’ve just narrowed the field dramatically.

• And when we look at just those teams’ final 45 games, it turns out there’s really only one team that parallels the fall of these A’s. And anybody who was A) alive in the '60s and B) living in Chicago could tell you all about it. Only those ’69 Cubs went into the final 45 games with a hefty lead (plus-9.0) -- and then dropped 17 games in the standings, finished 8 behind the Mets and broke 4 million hearts.

None of the other teams on this list led by more than half a game with 45 games left in the season. So if the A’s lose a couple of more games in the standings in the next week and a half, uh-ohhhhh. That means they’d actually surpass the collapse of the ’69 Cubs, a team that scarred its fans for life. Hard to do.

But as my buddy Buster Olney has argued, if this Oakland team not only loses its division but misses out on both wild-card slots, that would be the worst collapse in history, by pretty much any standard.

We wouldn’t wish that on anybody. But it’s still scary. And now here’s something that’s just as scary:

The 111-loss team that zoomed by the World Series champs

A mere 11 months ago, the 2013 baseball season ended with the Boston Red Sox partying in Fenway Park -- and the Houston Astros gearing up to make the first pick in the draft.

The Red Sox were (ahem) “the best team in baseball.” The Astros had just lost 111 games -- a loss total matched or exceeded by only 12 other teams in the World Series era (1903-present).

But then “next year” arrived. By which we actually mean “this year.” And a funny thing happened. It was shrewdly detected by my friend Gar Ryness (aka The Batting Stance Guy) in a tweet a few days ago:


And that got me to thinking, which is always a dangerous development:

Has there ever been a team that lost 111 games or more one year and then won more games than the defending World Series champs the next?

Well, here’s your answer: No. Not even close.

If we exempt the 1904 Senators team that lost 113 in a season when there was no World Series, there have been 11 other teams that lost at least 111 times in a season when a World Series was played. Here’s how they fared the next year:

• Eight of them finished more than 20 games behind the defending champs.

• Four of them finished at least 35 games behind the defending champs.

• Two of them -- Pinky May’s 1942 Phillies (61 back of the Yankees) and Choo-Choo Coleman’s 1963 Mets (53 behind the Yankees) -- actually finished more than 50 games behind the defending champs.

• Their average finish was 31 games back of the champs.

• And the closest any of them came to catching, let alone outwinning, the reigning champs was 11 games, the margin that Dmitri Young’s 2004 Tigers finished behind the Marlins.

But now let’s check our handy-dandy ESPN standings page for this season. And what do we find? We find this amazing news:

The Red Sox have won 66 games.

The Astros have won 67 games.

And they each have 10 to play.

Wow.

I’ve chronicled many wild and crazy developments over the years in the September History Watch. But I’m pretty sure I’ve never been more riveted by any of them more than I am by the thought of how this one will turn out.

A 111-loss team outwinning the team that just finished parading through the confetti? This might be the best race in baseball.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 5:53:31 PM   
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There are a lot of people in this world that should learn how to apologize like Ron Washington does.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/11548096/former-texas-rangers-manager-ron-washington-asks-forgiveness-was-not-true-my-wife

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 9:35:02 PM   
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Fantasy GM time

n Thursday’s edition of his Insider-only blog, ESPN’s Buster Olney opines that the Reds should give serious thought to trading ace Johnny Cueto this offseason. Cueto has a no-brainer $10MM club option for 2015, making him a highly affordable and elite talent — an appealing alternative to clubs in win-now mode that don’t want to commit long-term dollars to Max Scherzer, Jon Lester or James Shields. The Reds will see Cueto, Mat Latos and Mike Leake hit free agency following the 2015 season, with Aroldis Chapman set to do the same the following year.

Cueto would be sweet at the top of the rotation.

NEVER going to happen in MN. They wouldn't even try.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 9:35:45 PM   
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But SHOULD

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 9:36:12 PM   
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But SHOULD


Absolutely. Cueto improves this team a ton. Immediately.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 9:38:00 PM   
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And would fit nicely, in the way this team will be changing its personality and its nationality make-up

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 10:30:47 PM   
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Secretly loving the Boston collapse.
They've been keeping it pretty quiet.
They are basically at the same point right now, as they were during the shocking Bobby Valentine season. But doing it much more quietly.
PEDroia appears to be on the downside of a career ... with a ton of years left on his bloated contract.
No power anymore. Keeps having trouble with surgically repaired wrists. Slugging like .350
Its so bad, Big Papi has even given up being a dick. And it appears sure-thing savior Jackie Bradley Jr, may actually be a character played by Martin Short.
I appreciate you helping me get over my Minnesota Malaise, Red Sawwwwwks. Thank you.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/18/2014 10:32:03 PM   
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Wait .. they've got a bunch of rings to flash around. Never mind.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/19/2014 12:15:25 AM   
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Not to mention one of the very best farm systems in baseball, Scott. I can't imagine they won't rebound very quickly, maybe even next year, with the talent they've assembled. They even got nice pieces in the vets they moved this year.

Ditto on Cueto guys.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/19/2014 12:15:53 AM   
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Yankees had a much better season than this fan expected.
Mostly in part to having a great manager.
Will be interesting and refreshing to see what the post-Jeter Yanks look like.
Helluva career. Time for everyone to move on. Haters included.



Wonder who the SS will be next year.

Hanley Ramirez or Troy Tulowitski?


Brendan Ryan or Eduardo Nunez


Danny Santana


At this point I'm only halfway kidding...

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/19/2014 12:27:11 AM   
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I've been as anti-Jeter as anyone in the past. I was stupid. While he'll always be a little overrated in some ways (defense, etc.) he'll be underrated in others. He's had a heck of a career and has always exuded class on and off the field. I mentioned how cool the All Star experience was for the Jeter aspect (though I'm still bitter about the lack of Tony Gwynn mentions) and this is another really cool thing:

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/9/18/6400117/derek-jeter-gatorade-ad-frank-sinatra-new-york-wow-chills

The sport will miss him. Mike Trout, the baton is yours as the face of baseball. Carry it well.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/19/2014 9:14:57 AM   
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Secretly loving the Boston collapse.
They've been keeping it pretty quiet.
They are basically at the same point right now, as they were during the shocking Bobby Valentine season. But doing it much more quietly.
PEDroia appears to be on the downside of a career ... with a ton of years left on his bloated contract.
No power anymore. Keeps having trouble with surgically repaired wrists. Slugging like .350
Its so bad, Big Papi has even given up being a dick. And it appears sure-thing savior Jackie Bradley Jr, may actually be a character played by Martin Short.
I appreciate you helping me get over my Minnesota Malaise, Red Sawwwwwks. Thank you.




It's funny because it's true.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/19/2014 9:35:53 AM   
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I've been as anti-Jeter as anyone in the past. I was stupid. While he'll always be a little overrated in some ways (defense, etc.) he'll be underrated in others. He's had a heck of a career and has always exuded class on and off the field. I mentioned how cool the All Star experience was for the Jeter aspect (though I'm still bitter about the lack of Tony Gwynn mentions) and this is another really cool thing:

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/9/18/6400117/derek-jeter-gatorade-ad-frank-sinatra-new-york-wow-chills

The sport will miss him. Mike Trout, the baton is yours as the face of baseball. Carry it well.


Awesome. Thanks for posting that link.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/19/2014 9:43:52 AM   
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I've been as anti-Jeter as anyone in the past. I was stupid. While he'll always be a little overrated in some ways (defense, etc.) he'll be underrated in others. He's had a heck of a career and has always exuded class on and off the field. I mentioned how cool the All Star experience was for the Jeter aspect (though I'm still bitter about the lack of Tony Gwynn mentions) and this is another really cool thing:

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/9/18/6400117/derek-jeter-gatorade-ad-frank-sinatra-new-york-wow-chills

The sport will miss him. Mike Trout, the baton is yours as the face of baseball. Carry it well.


Awesome. Thanks for posting that link.

Hear hear
Was waiting for someone else to.
Gets very dusty in the room every time it plays.

Look at the unbridled joy in those faces he greets. Has to be an incredible feeling. He deserves it.
In this day of spoiled athletes who keep disappointing us, he has been a shining beacon.
The game will miss him.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/19/2014 9:52:27 AM   
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whoa whoa whoa

I watched it earlier this morning and felt pretty much nothing, except I thought it was pretty cool when the kids got so excited to meet a player that had a run of good years 10-15 years before they were born.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/19/2014 9:54:28 AM   
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I've been as anti-Jeter as anyone in the past. I was stupid. While he'll always be a little overrated in some ways (defense, etc.) he'll be underrated in others. He's had a heck of a career and has always exuded class on and off the field. I mentioned how cool the All Star experience was for the Jeter aspect (though I'm still bitter about the lack of Tony Gwynn mentions) and this is another really cool thing:

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/9/18/6400117/derek-jeter-gatorade-ad-frank-sinatra-new-york-wow-chills

The sport will miss him. Mike Trout, the baton is yours as the face of baseball. Carry it well.


Awesome. Thanks for posting that link.

Hear hear
Was waiting for someone else to.
Gets very dusty in the room every time it plays.

Look at the unbridled joy in those faces he greets. Has to be an incredible feeling. He deserves it.
In this day of spoiled athletes who keep disappointing us, he has been a shining beacon.
The game will miss him.


Appropriate song to that commercial.

I got chills when he looked back and nodded at the camera.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/19/2014 9:55:10 AM   
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I swear some of you will get misty-eyed when Aaron Rodgers does the same thing 8 years from now.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 9/19/2014 9:56:40 AM   
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I swear some of you will get misty-eyed when Aaron Rodgers does the same thing 8 years from now.


Matt, you are just a sentimental fool aren't you.......

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