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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 12:45:34 PM

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Justin Jefferson's grade through 10 weeks: 90.2
1st among rookies
2nd among all NFL WRs

Too bad it took a couple weeks of Bisi Johnson to play Jefferson.

You'd swear it was the Twins slow-playing that one
There's no way any football guy with common sense looks at those two and goes ... Let's play Bisi until this other kid gets it
The frustrating things coaches and managers do sometimes .....

I get that we had an abbreviated offseason and no preseason games, but it should've been obvious before week 3 that Jefferson wasn't "just a slot guy".

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 12:55:02 PM

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Remember all the ugliness around the Vikings and their 1-5 start when the Bears were 5-1?

Now that the Bears are 5-5, ugly has landed firmly in Chicago.

Here's some of what was being said and written about the Bears following their 19-13 loss to the Vikings on Monday night.

In the Chicago Tribune, writer Dan Wiederer (who used to cover the Vikings for the Star Tribune), took a look into the future on his postgame report:

"Remember that cushion the Bears built up at 5-1? All of it is gone now. They’ve quickly stumbled, tripped and blundered to 5-5 and will remain stuck as charity-case invitees into all those 'NFC In the hunt' graphics on TV. Which, truthfully, is just a network and league trick to keep fan bases of below-average teams on the hook for the final month and a half of the season. Anyone who has watched the Bears' 10 games this season and the 16 from a year ago know this team isn’t in the hunt for anything. Other than for a competent offense, a reliable starting quarterback and a dependable line and an offensive coaching group to do something about all the shortcomings. And if the Bears can’t find a tonic for their widespread woes over the upcoming bye week, Bears Chairman George McCaskey might soon need to decide just how much he truly wants to be in the hunt for when 2021 arrives. A new general manager? A new head coach? A new team president?"

You can read his entire column here.

Then, stick around for the three-word reviews of the Bears' performance that the Tribune solicited for fans. One of them: "Can we forfeit?"

Guess who else was annoyed? The agent for Bears wide receiver Allan Robinson, who was treated like an afterthought by Nick Foles, although they had a lot to do with the subpar play of the Chicago offensive line.

Here's a trifecta of Brandon Parker's thoughts on Twitter:

Throw 12 the Damn Ball in the Redzone! JUST ONCE! My goodness..

Should he not be the first read in the redzone 99% of the time? Only team in the league that won’t throw it to the WR1 in the redzone. Same guy who’s leading the league in contested catches.. What’s really going on?

Bears fans deserve better than this..

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 12:57:46 PM

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Eric Thompson@eric_j_thompson
Over the past 3 weeks, Hercules Mata'afa and D.J. Wonnum have 21 total pressures, getting pressure on 9.8% and 9.2% of their pass rushing snaps, respectively. They're both in the top 10 in pressure rate of edge rushers that have played at least 50 snaps over the past three weeks.

PFF MIN Vikings@PFF_Vikings
Grades are live! The highest graded #Vikings on defense from MNF are:

Anthony Harris 81.7

Hercules Mata'afa 78.2

Harrison Smith 77.1

Eric Wilson 74.5

Kris Boyd 71.7

Glad Mata, Harry, and Wilson show up there, because they seemed awesome last night
Anyone else's heart shut down when Kendricks laid out there awhile? yeah, me neither

Zimmer was also happy with the play of the new CB/Jones

Some of the newer guys seem to have stopped thinking and are just flying around now. Team speed seems up a tick too, especially on D, along w/Jefferson.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 12:59:03 PM

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Dantzler doesn't have to hurry back, can watch and absorb some now. Bummer he's still on concussion issue list.

Maybe come back as a nickel eventually and get more comfortable.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:00:36 PM

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Jones had a couple good tackles in the open field
Highly underrated aspect of the job
We left a couple of them alone in big empty spaces, and they came thru.
Sure tackles
The Bears DBs, who the announcers kept telling us are all-world, had plenty of missed tackles.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:01:31 PM

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Also seems like Dye has made more big plays in limited action than Gedeon ever made.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:02:47 PM

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Jones had a couple good tackles in the open field
Highly underrated aspect of the job
We left a couple of them alone in big empty spaces, and they came thru.
Sure tackles
The Bears DBs, who the announcers kept telling us are all-world, had plenty of missed tackles.

Jefferson has such good moves. If it were hoops, he'd have broken a few ankles.
The 53 yard play was something. He's relentless out there.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:05:41 PM

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Jones had a couple good tackles in the open field
Highly underrated aspect of the job
We left a couple of them alone in big empty spaces, and they came thru.
Sure tackles
The Bears DBs, who the announcers kept telling us are all-world, had plenty of missed tackles.

Jefferson has such good moves. If it were hoops, he'd have broken a few ankles.
The 53 yard play was something. He's relentless out there.

The put-his-head-down-and-smash-forward end to that one play was awesome
Caught them off-guard
You don't want him getting hurt, but he saw his spot and went for it
EVERY game I have watched so far this year, the most-physical team has won
The league felt like it was going away from that, but it has returned, imo
Like Pittsburgh, they are physical everywhere. The more guys you have willing to lay out a lick, the better

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:08:10 PM

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Jones had a couple good tackles in the open field
Highly underrated aspect of the job
We left a couple of them alone in big empty spaces, and they came thru.
Sure tackles
The Bears DBs, who the announcers kept telling us are all-world, had plenty of missed tackles.

Jefferson has such good moves. If it were hoops, he'd have broken a few ankles.
The 53 yard play was something. He's relentless out there.

The put-his-head-down-and-smash-forward end to that one play was awesome
Caught them off-guard
You don't want him getting hurt, but he saw his spot and went for it
EVERY game I have watched so far this year, the most-physical team has won
The league felt like it was going away from that, but it has returned, imo
Like Pittsburgh, they are physical everywhere. The more guys you have willing to lay out a lick, the better

And sometimes it's the offense. NE/Baltimore. The Pats OLine punished the Ravens play after play.

That guy they wasted picks on then flipped to the Ravens .... did he even play? Absolutely wasted effort on MN's part, fortunate to get something back.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:09:20 PM

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Jones had a couple good tackles in the open field
Highly underrated aspect of the job
We left a couple of them alone in big empty spaces, and they came thru.
Sure tackles
The Bears DBs, who the announcers kept telling us are all-world, had plenty of missed tackles.

Jefferson has such good moves. If it were hoops, he'd have broken a few ankles.
The 53 yard play was something. He's relentless out there.

Remember when some people were complaining that we drafted another slot receiver?

And thank yyoooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Philadelphia!

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:10:27 PM

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Jones had a couple good tackles in the open field
Highly underrated aspect of the job
We left a couple of them alone in big empty spaces, and they came thru.
Sure tackles
The Bears DBs, who the announcers kept telling us are all-world, had plenty of missed tackles.

Jefferson has such good moves. If it were hoops, he'd have broken a few ankles.
The 53 yard play was something. He's relentless out there.

Remember when some people were complaining that we drafted another slot receiver?

Having watched him the playoffs and how Burrow was carving them up w/him...I was pumped.

Then again, some in the Vikings were thinking that too.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:11:14 PM

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Jones had a couple good tackles in the open field
Highly underrated aspect of the job
We left a couple of them alone in big empty spaces, and they came thru.
Sure tackles
The Bears DBs, who the announcers kept telling us are all-world, had plenty of missed tackles.

Jefferson has such good moves. If it were hoops, he'd have broken a few ankles.
The 53 yard play was something. He's relentless out there.

Remember when some people were complaining that we drafted another slot receiver?

And thank yyoooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Philadelphia!

Read that story about a month-6 weeks ago that Green Bay was going to take him if the Vikings weren't.

Whew...

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:12:39 PM

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He already feels close to Diggs level imo
plus, you don't have the oh-no-whats-he-gonna-do feeling after every successful play

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:12:59 PM

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And thank yyoooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Philadelphia!

Reagor has 12 receptions for 13.3 yard average and one TD.

Whoops

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:13:56 PM

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He already feels close to Diggs level imo
plus, you don't have the oh-no-whats-he-gonna-do feeling after every successful play

Getting in the DB's face might get him into some trouble at some point.

But man, he's usually doing that sort of thing after a big play, which he has a ton of.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:15:05 PM

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I would agree with the Diggs comp

Jefferson is not the go deep type like Diggs has been. Yet.

but he's also picking up so many yards after the catch

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:16:46 PM

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No hip pointer for Foles
Bruises and strain
Probably won't be out of much action
Looked worse than it is

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:17:27 PM

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PFF

Leading the 2020 class, Justin Jefferson owns a 90.2 PFF grade, making him the highest-graded rookie receiver through the first 10 games of a season since we began collecting data in 2006. In terms of receiving grade, Jefferson, Brandon Aiyuk and Tee Higgins find themselves among the 15 highest-graded rookie receivers during that time, most among any class. In fact, the only other year with more than one player was 2016, which saw both Tyreek Hill (83.0) and Michael Thomas (81.3) earn 80-plus grades.

Led by Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins, Jerry Jeudy, CeeDee Lamb, Chase Claypool and Laviska Shenault Jr., the 2020 class has recorded 7,020 receiving yards with 2,598 coming after contact. Combined, 2020 has forced 74 missed tackles (first), caught 176 receptions of 15 or more yards (first) and dropped just 6.5% of their targets (second) — all top-three marks by any rookie class. They have hauled in 36 touchdowns, which are fourth-most, but they have also rattled off 296 first downs — 22 more than any other class.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 1:18:15 PM

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No hip pointer for Foles
Bruises and strain
Probably won't be out of much action
Looked worse than it is

Lucky to have the bye this week.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 2:43:13 PM

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No hip pointer for Foles
Bruises and strain
Probably won't be out of much action
Looked worse than it is

Lucky to have the bye this week.

Bad news for the Bears

Foles is terrible

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 2:44:50 PM

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No hip pointer for Foles
Bruises and strain
Probably won't be out of much action
Looked worse than it is

Lucky to have the bye this week.

Bad news for the Bears

Foles is terrible

So is Trubisky.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 5:26:07 PM

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Justin Jefferson's grade through 10 weeks: 90.2
1st among rookies
2nd among all NFL WRs

Too bad it took a couple weeks of Bisi Johnson to play Jefferson.

That's a really good grade. Who is first?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 5:37:20 PM

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Justin Jefferson's grade through 10 weeks: 90.2
1st among rookies
2nd among all NFL WRs

Too bad it took a couple weeks of Bisi Johnson to play Jefferson.

That's a really good grade. Who is first?

Adams:

1. WR JUSTIN JEFFERSON, MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Not only is Jefferson the highest-graded rookie after Week 10’s edition of Monday Night Football, but he put together a performance that firmly has him in the No. 2 spot in PFF grade at the position. He trails only Davante Adams and is three grading points above third place on the list.

We were looking forward to seeing the rookie-versus-rookie matchup between Jefferson and Chicago Bears cornerback Jaylon Johnson, and it’s safe to say that the wide receiver was the one to win that battle. Jefferson caught 4-of-5 targets for 87 yards when working against Johnson on Monday night.

Jefferson may still trail Adams in PFF grade, but this week he did overtake him in our yards per route run metric. The 22nd overall pick has now come away with 3.23 yards per route run this year, leading the NFL and on pace to shatter the previous rookie record in the PFF era (2.80).

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-rookie-rankings-10-highest-graded-rookies-through-week-10

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/17/2020 8:00:54 PM

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No hip pointer for Foles
Bruises and strain
Probably won't be out of much action
Looked worse than it is

Lucky to have the bye this week.

Bad news for the Bears

Foles is terrible

So is Trubisky.

Yes

They can take the overpaid Cousins off our hands.

Monday and the previous wins are mirages.

Cousins good performance is not sustainable.

We need a QB that can run/move.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 11/18/2020 6:55:16 AM

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Many complained about how we kept running the ball when the results were not good. But it was absolutely the right thing to do.

If our running game can pound out 100 yards rushing against a really good Chi defense that was game planning to stop it I like our chances going forward.

By no means can we abandon the run and let a defense tee off on Cousins.

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