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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

From Feb 2024: https://www.colts.com/news/nfl-franchise-tag-explained-information-transition-exclusive-michael-pittman

Non-exclusive franchise tag: The much more common tag. Players can negotiate and sign offer sheets with any team once the new league year begins, but the player's previous team retains the right to match that offer sheet. If they do not match it, that team will receive two first-round picks from the team that signed the player to an offer sheet. The last time a player who had the non-exclusive tag placed on him changed teams was 2000, when the Seattle Seahawks declined to match the Dallas Cowboys' offer sheet for wide receiver Joey Galloway and received two first-round picks in return. The salary for the non-exclusive franchise tag is lower than the exclusive tag, as it's determined by the higher figure between: the average of the top five salaries at a player's position over the last five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous salary.

So, if the article is true then it's rare. Less rare in terms of changing teams, but something that happen on average 1-2 times a year, appears to be the Exclusive Tag is applied and down the road the team ends up trading the player. Like Ngakoue.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I guess basically you can find a team that wants him, and tell them we won't franchise him if they give us a 2nd round pick?

And then what? We enter into a sign and trade where we don't get stuck with any cap hit in the process?

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Anyway, it is a good problem to have. Just remember back to the Brooks Bollinger/Kelly Holcomb days where we just hoped AD would break a big one.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

From Feb 2024: https://www.colts.com/news/nfl-franchise-tag-explained-information-transition-exclusive-michael-pittman

Non-exclusive franchise tag: The much more common tag. Players can negotiate and sign offer sheets with any team once the new league year begins, but the player's previous team retains the right to match that offer sheet. If they do not match it, that team will receive two first-round picks from the team that signed the player to an offer sheet. The last time a player who had the non-exclusive tag placed on him changed teams was 2000, when the Seattle Seahawks declined to match the Dallas Cowboys' offer sheet for wide receiver Joey Galloway and received two first-round picks in return. The salary for the non-exclusive franchise tag is lower than the exclusive tag, as it's determined by the higher figure between: the average of the top five salaries at a player's position over the last five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous salary.

So, if the article is true then it's rare. Less rare in terms of changing teams, but something that happen on average 1-2 times a year, appears to be the Exclusive Tag is applied and down the road the team ends up trading the player. Like Ngakoue.

I think our situation is very rare. I think not even KOC thought Darnold would play this well. JJM was clearly going to be handed the keys next year(maybe this year) in the original plan.

Darnold being 27 really makes this situation interesting. He isn't some past his prime guy holding down the fort for one year.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

From Feb 2024: https://www.colts.com/news/nfl-franchise-tag-explained-information-transition-exclusive-michael-pittman

Non-exclusive franchise tag: The much more common tag. Players can negotiate and sign offer sheets with any team once the new league year begins, but the player's previous team retains the right to match that offer sheet. If they do not match it, that team will receive two first-round picks from the team that signed the player to an offer sheet. The last time a player who had the non-exclusive tag placed on him changed teams was 2000, when the Seattle Seahawks declined to match the Dallas Cowboys' offer sheet for wide receiver Joey Galloway and received two first-round picks in return. The salary for the non-exclusive franchise tag is lower than the exclusive tag, as it's determined by the higher figure between: the average of the top five salaries at a player's position over the last five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous salary.

So, if the article is true then it's rare. Less rare in terms of changing teams, but something that happen on average 1-2 times a year, appears to be the Exclusive Tag is applied and down the road the team ends up trading the player. Like Ngakoue.

I think our situation is very rare. I think not even KOC thought Darnold would play this well. JJM was clearly going to be handed the keys next year(maybe this year) in the original plan.

Darnold being 27 really makes this situation interesting. He isn't some past his prime guy holding down the fort for one year.

I don't think Darnold has shown enough for a team to fork over two 1st round picks plus a big salary. If so, the non-exclusive tag is out.

Turning to an exclusive tag offer, Darnold signs it (which isn't a given), $41M in cap is immediately tied up, we sit out early free agency watching the premium talent sign, then we still don't know if a team will come along and trade whatever for him. At that point we have about $36M with 20-25 open roster spots.

Seems like an easy way to screw up free agency, in this the 'big' cap surplus year.

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Resigning SD is an option. If he prices himself out, for me it's >40M per, then a tag and trade is absolutely on the table. Tag and trades happen frequently. You work out trade comp with the trading team while a new contract is worked out. SD has input on partner and obv on new contract. Tag is applied and the trade consummated. All parties benefit and doesn't tie up cap space to go after FAs (I want CB Reed and Trey Smith). I'd expect to receive a 2025 2nd and a conditional 2026 pick. It doesn't screw SD over and helps restock draft picks. If terms aren't agreed to then you don't apply a tag. Upside is you've got a rookie QB contract, extra draft pick(s), and cap space to build with.

Is it a risk? Absolutely, just like Reid trading Smith after a career year to go with Mahomes. But KOC has gone over JJM college tape, worked with him a full offseason (almost), and is monitoring his season progress and system acclimation. It's pretty cool they have a webcam for JJM to watch SD in practice (maybe through a QB feed?). Plus JJM is doing VR. I'm comfortable going with Doug Jones and JJM next year.

I have zero angst about this decision.

Here is something covering the past 12 years: https://www.profootballrumors.com/2024/03/nfl-franchise-tag-recipients-since-2013

Looks a player was traded after being tagged eight times (three in 2019) in those 12 years. No QBs were traded.

And I don't recall an instance of a pre-planned tag and trade. Instead, it seems like they are franchised. Then speculation begins as to their disposition. DeVonte Adams for example.

What is your source for pre-planned tag and trades happening frequently?


As an aside, the Vikings are listed once (Ngakoue) in a trade that happened around the last day of August.

If we don't Franchise Darnold, we are idiots. At least get a 2nd or 3rd rounder(negotiated) for him if a team offers up an offer sheet.

If we franchise him, no other team can speak to him. There would be no offer sheet.

we need to get darnold's people involved in any conversation with another team...if they cooperate, they can help pick the team sam plays for next season....

What is your plan? Threaten to franchise him if he plans to sign elsewhere?

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If Darnold goes somewhere else, who would be the cheaper backup QB, Cooper Rush or Daniel Jones ?

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: marty

If Darnold goes somewhere else, who would be the cheaper backup QB, Cooper Rush or Daniel Jones ?

jones seems like the project with the most upside, so let's have o'connell coach him into the next darnold and get some more picks....

we'll fill the practice squad with underachieving quarterbacks and own the 1st round of every draft....

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

God I hate the Packers

We can't have a let down

It makes me cringe every time I see some talking head say how the Vikings are the best team in the league right now...

Right before these monstrous final two games...

It would be too "Vikings" for us to lay a couple eggs...

Come on boys, make a statement win this week!

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sherree Burress on NFLN is terrible. Makes so many errors and no on corrects her. Said the Packers clinched the division.

Plus she has too many double consonants and vowels on her name.

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Exec No. 1: “This season has proved Sam needs Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, (T.J.) Hockenson, one of the grittiest offensive lines and a top back in Aaron Jones.

Exec #1 loses a ton of credibility there.

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Darnold #4 in NFL Passer Rating. Been sacked the third most times of any starter in the league.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Darnold #4 in NFL Passer Rating. Been sacked the third most times of any starter in the league.

So a good stat with a disclaimer?

Darnold's been sacked a lot, sometimes through the fault of piss poor blocking. But at the end of the day, that's just the way it is. An offense that is solid at every position is rare or non-existent, maybe Philly is the closest.

A top QB overcomes obstacles and wins playoff games. Everything else is just fluffy rah rah stats littered on the floor after another playoff loss.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

From Feb 2024: https://www.colts.com/news/nfl-franchise-tag-explained-information-transition-exclusive-michael-pittman

Non-exclusive franchise tag: The much more common tag. Players can negotiate and sign offer sheets with any team once the new league year begins, but the player's previous team retains the right to match that offer sheet. If they do not match it, that team will receive two first-round picks from the team that signed the player to an offer sheet. The last time a player who had the non-exclusive tag placed on him changed teams was 2000, when the Seattle Seahawks declined to match the Dallas Cowboys' offer sheet for wide receiver Joey Galloway and received two first-round picks in return. The salary for the non-exclusive franchise tag is lower than the exclusive tag, as it's determined by the higher figure between: the average of the top five salaries at a player's position over the last five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous salary.

So, if the article is true then it's rare. Less rare in terms of changing teams, but something that happen on average 1-2 times a year, appears to be the Exclusive Tag is applied and down the road the team ends up trading the player. Like Ngakoue.

I think our situation is very rare. I think not even KOC thought Darnold would play this well. JJM was clearly going to be handed the keys next year(maybe this year) in the original plan.

Darnold being 27 really makes this situation interesting. He isn't some past his prime guy holding down the fort for one year.

I don't think Darnold has shown enough for a team to fork over two 1st round picks plus a big salary. If so, the non-exclusive tag is out.

Turning to an exclusive tag offer, Darnold signs it (which isn't a given), $41M in cap is immediately tied up, we sit out early free agency watching the premium talent sign, then we still don't know if a team will come along and trade whatever for him. At that point we have about $36M with 20-25 open roster spots.

Seems like an easy way to screw up free agency, in this the 'big' cap surplus year.

With cap increases, void years and restructures, we aren't sitting out 1st week of FA if we are going all in with Darnold. That's just not the way KAM and Brez do things.

If we go with Darnold on 1 yr. $41M deal, it won't be hard to put minimum base salaries in year one on new FAs and then pay more when he is gone.

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FYI....Brandel isn't going to be replaced in the offseason.


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The highest-graded Vikings in Week 16 vs the Seahawks:

🥇 Justin Jefferson - 81.5
🥈 Pat Jones II - 80.4
🥉 Sam Darnold - 78.4
🏅 Josh Metellus - 77.9
🏅 Blake Brandel - 76.2

(min. 25 snaps)

One week where he didn't statistically suck per PFF shouldn't be enough.

He was solid pretty much until Darrisaw was injured.

People have different standards for "solid pretty much". Mediocre, run of the mill, barely adequate isn't part of that. The adage 'If you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem' comes to mind.

If he can play decent only when playing next to someone elite, then he isn't good. Personally I wasn't impressed with him before Darrisaw got hurt.

The only one making any coin outside of our tackles is Bradbury and he isn't high end money:

Brandel 1.9 million
Ingram 1.6 million
Risner 2.4 million
Bradbury 5.7 million

It is how we were able to fill out the rest of the roster so we better draft them as it may cost 15-20 million to get just one good one.