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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 12/3/2025 1:24:56 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Outside of drawing additional coverage, Jefferson has been a non-factor in his two playoff games. Assuming playoff defenses continue to do so, we need good #2 and #3 WRs. Addison and Nailor are mostly that. But with JJ averaging $43 million the next 3 years, I wonder how much the regime is willing to commit to the WR corps. The good thing is there might just be one year (2028) where they are both high cap hits.

Hope they are inclined to extend Addison say by this time next year, but will "Let's Get Paid" make extreme demands knowing he can test free agency?

And yes, do they trust the guy to not get another suspension? Because a transgression could be worse than wrist slaps from here on out.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 12/3/2025 2:41:31 PM

Lars

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Talk of the SB is the crux of it. The Lions game was one of the most important games in decades because a win would have meant HFA. It was monumental. Then Darnold put up a choke job for the ages.

Still, I was thinking ok Darnold pissed away HFA but if he plays just average vs the Rams he can at least be in the conversation about who will QB the team. Of course, he shit the bed. Again.

That was it. The end. It became crystal clear Darnold did not and does not have what it takes. Can you imagine how bad he would have freaked out if the team magically made it to the SB? He'd probably still be frozen in the locker room.

It was great news the team was going to go in another direction, because Darnold would NEVER be the guy. There are many unknown QBs out there that are not proven chokers. Darnold was, so cross him off the list.

Against an absolutely decimated Lions defense.

They had given up 31, 48, 17 (to a 5 win Bears team) and 34 the previous 4 weeks.

We scored 9 points.

Then the Lions gave up 45 the next week in their only Playoff game.

BINGO for Bill and David!

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 12/3/2025 2:53:54 PM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Guys that shouldn't see the field next year for the Vikings:

Hock - barely makes the needle move
Jones - too hurt
Kelly - life at hand
Murphy - what a terrible extension. PFF ranked 172 CB
Addison - trade before he demands more cash
Smith - retire
1 of Hargravde/Allen - cut

Guy that shouldn't see the stadium for the Vikings:

KAM - send him packing and get a real personnel guy in there.

This all looks good.

I would release Hargrave right now. He can sign with a contender if anyone wants him.

Promote Taimani and let him get some snaps at NT the rest of the season.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 12/3/2025 3:28:10 PM

Arlowe84

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We probably have the slowest combo RB/TE room in the league

And it may not be close

Some explosive players from those areas would do wonders for the offense
Im sure defenses can do things they cant vs others since they know no one is breaking a long one

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 12/3/2025 3:32:55 PM

Bill Jandro

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Brosmer targeted Hock a lot.

Hock also fell down a lot.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 12/3/2025 4:09:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Brosmer targeted Hock a lot.

Hock also fell down a lot.

Probably because falling down is less embarrassing than dropping it.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 12/3/2025 4:31:48 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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33 total trades by KAM since he took over…

How many roster “sticks” past 2 years of roster time?

Almost zero..

Hockendrop, and who else?

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 12/3/2025 4:50:21 PM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

33 total trades by KAM since he took over…

How many roster “sticks” past 2 years of roster time?

Almost zero..

Hockendrop, and who else?

Cam 3 times?

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 12/4/2025 7:38:17 AM 1 votes

Murph

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Guys that shouldn't see the field next year for the Vikings:

Hock - barely makes the needle move
Jones - too hurt
Kelly - life at hand
Murphy - what a terrible extension. PFF ranked 172 CB
Addison - trade before he demands more cash
Smith - retire
1 of Hargravde/Allen - cut

Guy that shouldn't see the stadium for the Vikings:

KAM - send him packing and get a real personnel guy in there.

I like this but think it's missing one big piece.

Fire KOC!

All I care about is winning a Super Bowl.

Like Darnold last season, KOC this season has proven to me he is not a Super Bowl caliber coach.

He refuses to adapt his scheme and playing calling to the strength of his players or team and he is the worst play caller in the NFL currently. We are more predictable on offense now then we were with Zimmer and Company.

Hate to say it but if I'm the Wilfs it's rebuild time. This time do it like the Bears did a real rebuild not this competitive rebuild BS.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 12/4/2025 8:37:11 AM 1 votes

Brad H

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Talk of the SB is the crux of it. The Lions game was one of the most important games in decades because a win would have meant HFA. It was monumental. Then Darnold put up a choke job for the ages.

Still, I was thinking ok Darnold pissed away HFA but if he plays just average vs the Rams he can at least be in the conversation about who will QB the team. Of course, he shit the bed. Again.

That was it. The end. It became crystal clear Darnold did not and does not have what it takes. Can you imagine how bad he would have freaked out if the team magically made it to the SB? He'd probably still be frozen in the locker room.

It was great news the team was going to go in another direction, because Darnold would NEVER be the guy. There are many unknown QBs out there that are not proven chokers. Darnold was, so cross him off the list.

Against an absolutely decimated Lions defense.

They had given up 31, 48, 17 (to a 5 win Bears team) and 34 the previous 4 weeks.

We scored 9 points.

Then the Lions gave up 45 the next week in their only Playoff game.

BINGO for Bill and David!

You guys can't seem to stop talking about Darnold.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 12/4/2025 8:39:06 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 12/4/2025 11:07:34 AM

ratoppenheimer

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Guys that shouldn't see the field next year for the Vikings:

Hock - barely makes the needle move
Jones - too hurt
Kelly - life at hand
Murphy - what a terrible extension. PFF ranked 172 CB
Addison - trade before he demands more cash
Smith - retire
1 of Hargravde/Allen - cut

Guy that shouldn't see the stadium for the Vikings:

KAM - send him packing and get a real personnel guy in there.

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okay, but you have to show the cap hits....

hock --- we save $9mm
jones --- we save $8mm
kelly --- we save $9mm
murphy --- it costs $13mm dead cap - murph sucked in 2023 - i knew this was a mistake
addison --- it's a wash, but where are you going to find another wr that good that cheep?
smith --- it costs $6mm...always been a ton of dead cap with smith - go figure....
allen --- we save $4mmm
hargrave --- we save $11mmm

fire kam - it costs the wilfs a few bucks, but the team can only gain from his departure

tell o'connell someone else calls plays for the rest of this season - he can quit if he wants

Those are not cap hits but rather mostly cap savings.

Kelly - $12.1 savings on OverTheCap ($0 guaranteed money, just salary, roster bonus, and workout bonus).

Smith will be a UFA after the season but yes his current cap hits are void year cap... right now to the tune of another 3 years and $10.6 million depending on what site is accessed. Stuck paying it one way or the other.

Murphy - keeping him around another year then cutting him changes a $10.2 mil cap hit to $10.8 cap savings.

Addison - I think the idea was to get return value for him while he still has another year on the rookie contract. After that, with free agency looming he probably won't be traded. So we're faced with agreeing to his terms or seeing him walk w/o any return. With WR salaries, I doubt they franchise him. Edit: I see Jeff explained his (different) rationale.

spotrac has kelly (2026) at $12.1mm cap hit with a $3.4mm dead cap - that's how i came to that number....

we most likely won't retain nailor, so cutting addison would leave a big hole...i think addison is better than some here - he's dropped a few recently, but so has jeff and hock - i think the whole team is just down on themselves....

we have to decide if we're going to bring in a qb next season that makes us competitive, or blow the whole thing up...it would be great if mccarthy could catch a spark the remainder of 2025....

someone else has to call plays for the rest of 2025, otherwise we'll never know what we have....

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