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Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 3:44:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Source says Eagles claim safety Marcus Epps off waivers from #Vikings. Multiple teams put in bids.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
One source said on #Vikings it "bit them in the (butt)" trying to slide Marcus Epps through waivers and Philly picked him up. The Vikings had been reluctant all season to expose some of their rookies who barely play to waivers such as Armon Watts, Oli Udoh and previously Epps.


Ouch...
We essentially just traded Epps to Eagles to bring back Sendejo!



Whoopee!!!!

Why? Do we really need this headhunter?




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 3:47:38 PM)

So the question is why do it (unless he isn't good enough to keep)?




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 3:52:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Source says Eagles claim safety Marcus Epps off waivers from #Vikings. Multiple teams put in bids.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
One source said on #Vikings it "bit them in the (butt)" trying to slide Marcus Epps through waivers and Philly picked him up. The Vikings had been reluctant all season to expose some of their rookies who barely play to waivers such as Armon Watts, Oli Udoh and previously Epps.


Ouch...
We essentially just traded Epps to Eagles to bring back Sendejo!



Whoopee!!!!

Why? Do we really need this headhunter?

Aged headhunter at that... Obviously he is a Zimmer Guy and he must practice very well!

though...

Also not practicing was new-old Vikings safety Andrew Sendejo. Claimed on waivers Wednesday, he didn’t practice on Thursday due to a groin injury.

If Zimmer and company are trying to figure out who they need to add back to relive the 2017 defense maybe they should give a call to Brian Robison as well!! He couldnt be a whole lot less of a tallent than Sendejo at this point in careers?




Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 3:59:40 PM)

Stupid trade of Epps for Sandejo.

Who was that veteran we signed last year then played almost zero snaps. Pls sandejo is injured, why the rush to make the roster move??




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 4:10:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Stupid trade of Epps for Sandejo.

Who was that veteran we signed last year then played almost zero snaps. Pls sandejo is injured, why the rush to make the roster move??


George Iloka




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 4:24:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Stupid trade of Epps for Sandejo.

Who was that veteran we signed last year then played almost zero snaps. Pls sandejo is injured, why the rush to make the roster move??


George Iloka

Ahhhh, the head scratcher Iloka signing...

Speculation in media and here even that the master mind of D Zimm would create all these crazy mutant blitz packages and hybrid formations to exploit another weapon in ways our oponents havent seen... In end it was a real snoozer as Zimmer just lives on his past... Same as it ever was...

There in a nutshell is Zimmer philosophy, find players to best fit into HIS schemes and visions... NOT use players best skillsets and design a defense around those Skillsets to create and exploit strenghts... SEE ANTHONY BARR




beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 4:40:06 PM)

Ant Harris missed the tackle that sprung the long TD run against KC.
Zim's kneejerk reaction is to sign Sendejo (who... may have made that tackle)...

Hope we don't see too much of Andrew on the field... think Ant overall is an upgrade.




bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 4:48:03 PM)

WTF? I thought Epps looked relatively good in preseason, and he would certainly be a good bet to be a better NFL safety than Sandego in a couple of years, if not now (the Eagles certainly think so). This is more than a bit troubling......




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 4:58:27 PM)

Every year we bring in the proverbial 'big' safety then cut them. This year it just took a while longer to bring one in.




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 5:06:19 PM)

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WTF? I thought Epps looked relatively good in preseason, and he would certainly be a good bet to be a better NFL safety than Sandego in a couple of years, if not now (the Eagles certainly think so). This is more than a bit troubling......


Zimmer has no eye to the future, he is in a WIN NOW AT ALL COSTS mode as he sees another promising season heading south as fast as a Chiefs running back streaking 90 some yards through his Ds grasps... 6-3 is about as promising as that 5-0 season start a few years ago when everything unravels...




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 5:37:16 PM)

https://vikings61.com/vikings-o-line-deserves-not-only-a-break-but-well-deserved-praise/

Cousins’ passer rating of 115.2 was the highest in franchise history for the first eight games of a season. Time and again, his line gave him the time he needed–for Cousins a league-high average of 3.1 seconds a throw–yet got about as much attention for their work as the common sanitation engineer gets for keeping the sewer lines clean.

How’d they do in Kansas City? They kept Cousins as clean as a whistle, with the Chiefs’ only sack coming from a Chris Jones bull-rush against guard Josh Kline that featured a blatant hands-to-the-face maneuver that caught the line ref napping.




CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 6:49:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

WTF? I thought Epps looked relatively good in preseason, and he would certainly be a good bet to be a better NFL safety than Sandego in a couple of years, if not now (the Eagles certainly think so). This is more than a bit troubling......


Zimmer has no eye to the future, he is in a WIN NOW AT ALL COSTS mode as he sees another promising season heading south as fast as a Chiefs running back streaking 90 some yards through his Ds grasps... 6-3 is about as promising as that 5-0 season start a few years ago when everything unravels...

The Vikings are digressing in talent and performance since 2017 and are a few key game losses away from a new head coach and GM. If both Spielman and Zimmer are not gone after this season, the Wilfs are not interested in winning a championship.




Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 7:57:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

https://vikings61.com/vikings-o-line-deserves-not-only-a-break-but-well-deserved-praise/

Cousins’ passer rating of 115.2 was the highest in franchise history for the first eight games of a season. Time and again, his line gave him the time he needed–for Cousins a league-high average of 3.1 seconds a throw–yet got about as much attention for their work as the common sanitation engineer gets for keeping the sewer lines clean.

How’d they do in Kansas City? They kept Cousins as clean as a whistle, with the Chiefs’ only sack coming from a Chris Jones bull-rush against guard Josh Kline that featured a blatant hands-to-the-face maneuver that caught the line ref napping.




Not sure what to say about this. Other sources say he was pressured on 45% of his attempts. Almost all of it up the middle.

https://www.skornorth.com/vikings-2/2019/11/the-vikings-offensive-kryptonite-and-how-to-overcome-it/

Cousins seemed to get rattle and they say it seemed to affect him later, which is Cousins.




Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 8:01:05 PM)

The other take away from that article, Chiefs played two deep safeties most of the game and we still couldn't open up running lanes for Cook.

With Thielan out, if we can't exploit those advantages, we are pretty much doomed.




Dana Turner -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 9:39:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The other take away from that article, Chiefs played two deep safeties most of the game and we still couldn't open up running lanes for Cook.

With Thielan out, if we can't exploit those advantages, we are pretty much doomed.



The problem with a game like the one played Sunday, is there were so many factors that added up to just a really poor offensive output. First, there were fewer than seven passes to wide open receivers that were thrown so poorly, they were not catchable and that was from the very start of the game.

Cris Jones balled out in this game. Watching the all 22, there wee moments that our interior line did an admirable job against him, but the guy was a beast in there.

The part I find most troubling is that there were a number of plays where we had wide open receivers running down the field and we opted for the check down. It was actually painful to keep replaying some of these plays to try to figure out why Cousins didn't just flip his hips and go for it. Was it really windy? Moore didn't seem to have the same problems with his passes, for some reason, the ball kept sailing on Cousins.

As for the O-line, well, everyone not named O'Neil had a tough day. I'd have to say that Kline had the worst day I've seen from him this year, followed by Bradbury and Elf. The last thing I want to do is become an Elfline apologist, but in breaking down the tape, it wasn't as bad as Andy Carlson, who was calling for us to flat out cut him, wants you to believe. Again, the all 22 is on Skillout for all to see. Each interior guy had his struggles, penalties called at precisely the worst time, missed assignments and moments of hesitation that cost the offense dearly. Reiff also had a few miscues that when you first saw the play you might have thought it was Elflines responsibility, so there is that. I'm not really sure why Stefanski got in to this weird pattern of throwing the ball on first down, running on second and throwing on third, but it was funky and not at all like the way we went after the previous four teams. This team runs effectively against 8 in the box, but for some reason, really didn't try to exploit it much. I think Zimmer said it best when he said we were trying to be cute. We may have wanted to fire it up in the second half, but the defense had already set the tone and again, we were pass happy and off target. Hell, some of the completed balls were thrown so poorly that getting any YAC was impossible. Just a strange game.

I wont even start on our defense.




Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 10:00:34 PM)

I literally just finished the AllPro as well. Easily the worst game of Kline's time as a Vike, it was more noticeable in the first half, imo. Also agree with Zimmer, we didn't finish blocks accross the board. Cook also seemed to be taken down with a lot more arm tackles.

I didn't as many clean pockets with guys running free as you did. There seemed to be several times when Diggs looked to be running to open space before another break in the route.

Cousins didn't have his A game, I didn't count the number of off target throws. Still burns me the scramble

I didn't see a lot of route winning. On a third down, crossing route, Diggs let 35 stay with him and break up the pass. Diggs easily should should have had two steps on him, poor release and then not running top speed.

They covered rollouts well.

And previously discussed penalties on Kline and Bradbury killed drives.

I didn't have the patience to watch the defense.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/7/2019 11:11:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Source says Eagles claim safety Marcus Epps off waivers from #Vikings. Multiple teams put in bids.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
One source said on #Vikings it "bit them in the (butt)" trying to slide Marcus Epps through waivers and Philly picked him up. The Vikings had been reluctant all season to expose some of their rookies who barely play to waivers such as Armon Watts, Oli Udoh and previously Epps.


Ouch...
We essentially just traded Epps to Eagles to bring back Sendejo!


A '19 sixth rounder and a '20 seventh rounder, right?




odin -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/8/2019 7:09:11 AM)

I heard somewhere that the Eagles may have picked up a comp pick from this move too. [X(]


EDIT: here is an article.
" according to Over The Cap, the Eagles were set to receive comp picks for quarterback Nick Foles, linebacker Jordan Hicks and wide receiver Golden Tate. The signing of Sendejo was set to cancel out the fourth-round pick the team would receive for Tate, who signed with the New York Giants. The site also predicts the Eagles will receive a third-round pick for losing Foles to the Jacksonville Jaguars and another fourth-round pick for losing Hicks to the Arizona Cardinals. Sendejo would have counted against the Eagles in the formula if he remained on the roster through Week 10."




odin -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/8/2019 7:17:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Stupid trade of Epps for Sandejo.

Who was that veteran we signed last year then played almost zero snaps. Pls sandejo is injured, why the rush to make the roster move??


George Iloka

Ahhhh, the head scratcher Iloka signing...

Speculation in media and here even that the master mind of D Zimm would create all these crazy mutant blitz packages and hybrid formations to exploit another weapon in ways our oponents havent seen... In end it was a real snoozer as Zimmer just lives on his past... Same as it ever was...

There in a nutshell is Zimmer philosophy, find players to best fit into HIS schemes and visions... NOT use players best skillsets and design a defense around those Skillsets to create and exploit strenghts... SEE ANTHONY BARR

Agreed, especially re: Barr. I don't understand why Teletubby loves Barr so much as a player, yet repeatedly puts him in situations that make him look bad rather than shine. At one time (before Barr was resigned), I wondered if Zimmer was thinking long-term and building Barr's coverage skills while keeping his open-market value down and was planning to unleash him much more as a pass-rusher in his 2nd contract. Now, I know better than to think he's clever enough to do something like that.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/8/2019 8:16:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: beo

Ant Harris missed the tackle that sprung the long TD run against KC.
Zim's kneejerk reaction is to sign Sendejo (who... may have made that tackle)...

Hope we don't see too much of Andrew on the field... think Ant overall is an upgrade.

Agreed. Our pass coverage is already bad.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/8/2019 9:15:26 AM)

Another problem with this team is the play in the trenches.

Joseph has regressed to avg and Stephen has never been nothing more than average. While our DE's are elite.

Our oline is similar. Good on the edge (even though Reiff is only avg at best) and weak up the middle. Bradbury should only get better in the coming years but how long are we going to continue to trot Elf out there? This unit really struggles when we face good DT's.




odin -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/8/2019 9:37:47 AM)

Odenigbo has been on the field for only 141 of Minnesota's total defensive snaps (23.6 percent), according to Football Outsiders. Even in a low sample size, Ifeadi has been very impactful. In nine total games, Odenigbo has posted three sacks, including quarterback takedowns in back-to-back weeks. He plays a variety of different alignments, including zero, three and five techniques. This versatility has been a major part of the Vikings' defense




bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/8/2019 10:29:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Source says Eagles claim safety Marcus Epps off waivers from #Vikings. Multiple teams put in bids.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
One source said on #Vikings it "bit them in the (butt)" trying to slide Marcus Epps through waivers and Philly picked him up. The Vikings had been reluctant all season to expose some of their rookies who barely play to waivers such as Armon Watts, Oli Udoh and previously Epps.

We aren't as bright as we think we are.




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/8/2019 10:35:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Source says Eagles claim safety Marcus Epps off waivers from #Vikings. Multiple teams put in bids.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
One source said on #Vikings it "bit them in the (butt)" trying to slide Marcus Epps through waivers and Philly picked him up. The Vikings had been reluctant all season to expose some of their rookies who barely play to waivers such as Armon Watts, Oli Udoh and previously Epps.

We aren't as bright as we think we are.

To quote the ever prolific Meatwad .... "We is dumb. Dumb as hell."




Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/8/2019 10:49:49 AM)

Sometimes Zimmer reminds me of Gardy and Nick Punto.

He just has to have this layer of security, and clings to his favorites. Unwilling to take a chance on a younger/more talented player when the older vet is clearly inferior.

Completely opposite of NE, they feel they have a better younger/cheaper option, they don't mess around.




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