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bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/20/2021 3:43:17 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson
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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson
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I remember a time when one college football player got myocarditis and it was the apocalypse. Cancel the season.
College football was not not cancelled because of one case of myocarditis, however serious.
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Now 100s of cases have been reported from getting vaccine and it is like , MEH. Do it for the team.
No. Several hundred people who got the vaccine also got myocarditis, which is about the same number of people who would have gotten myocarditis, but maybe a few more or perhaps the timing was suspicious in some cases. It's possible, for example, that more cases were found because people were more likely to get every issue checked out after vaccination. In young men, most myocarditis cases are minor, with no known cause, and resolve quickly; so it wouldn't be surprising if many cases go undiagnosed in normal times. So it's not clear whether any of the different vaccines caused or worsened any of these cases.
And to repeat what I posted above, there is a large team of people gathering as much data as they can about each case in an attempt to resolve this issue.
At this point, compared to the speculative risks from that issue, the established risks from COVID are several orders of magnitude larger.
Do you have an answer for blood clots that could lead to strokes or worse?
and Anaphylaxis(which I had to look up). Possible life threatening allergic reactions.
Maybe you'll come up with some more coincidences.
If you looked at control group data from a medical trial, you'd see that taking a small sugar pill coincides with headaches, fevers, rashes, and an amazing range of other adverse effects. If it were causal, one might wonder whether children could survive Halloween. So yes, there are hundreds of coincidences. That's why Tucker Carlson has an unlimited supply of coincidences to scare his audience. The way he uses the VAERS data is unethical and wildly irresponsible.
Blood clots have been found for only one of the vaccines, J&J, and in one group of people: women 18-48. In rare cases, a handful per million, the J&J vaccine can generate antibodies that cause blood to coagulate. On proposed mechanism was that it's an interaction with auto-immune disorders, which are more common in women. The pause was to notify physicians that they shouldn't treat these patients with heparin, which treatment caused severe issues in at least one patient. For comparison, oral birth control pills cause blood clots at rate that's several orders of magnitude higher.
A stroke is not the primary result of the blood clot issue. Most likely someone notices leg or abdominal pains first, or an perhaps unusual headache, 6-13 days after the shot. Short-term treatment (non-heparin) can generally resolve the issue before anything else happens. If I were a young woman with an auto-immune disorder, I might go a bit out of my way to get Pfizer/Moderna instead of J&J. Everyone else? Get vaccinated with whatever is available.
And yes, one of the medical posters mentioned Anaphylaxis (bohumm?). That's a possibility for many medical treatments, and that's why you (or your kids) had to wait around for 15 minutes after getting a shot. If you do have an allergic reaction, the medical staff can treat it immediately. If someone has previously had an allergic reaction, they are asked to wait longer, typically 30 minutes. After that timeframe, the risk is essentially gone.
Note that these adverse effects are rare, treatable, and mild compared to the risks of COVID. It's not a close call. Unless your doctor gives you a specific medical reason, get vaccinated.
Yes, I mentioned anaphylaxis as well as blood clot as actually problematic side effects, but neglected to mention the nature of the anaphylaxis (easy to monitor for and address without incident) or the rarity of issues with blood clots because they've been so rare and isolated to the specific vaccine, a specific cohort, and with specific circumstances. Thanks for addressing them here..
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