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The thread since the Draft.

Cousin Sucks
No he doesn't
Yes he does
No he doesn't
Yes he does
Here's a cherry picked stat no he doesn't
Here's a dherry picked stat, yes he does
Hey guys, our oline sucks
doesn't matter cousins sucks,
no he doesn't
yes he does
no he doesn't
yes he does
Your stats are wrong. No he doesn't
Yes he does
Your an asshole
so are you
and Cousins doesn't suck
yes he does
no he doesn't
yes he does
no he doesn't
yes he does
Random QB doesn't suck like Cousins
No cousins is better
no he's worse
no he's better
no he's worse
no he's better
no he's worse
Hey guys can we talk about something else
**** off TGS
Cousins sucks
no he doesn't
yes he does
no he doesn't
yes he does
no he doesn't
you suck
no I don't
yes you do
no I don't
yes you do
I don't
Cousin still sucks here's another cherry picked stat
No he doesn't your stat is meaningless
no it isn't
yes it is
no it isn't
yes it is
no it isn't

then TGS makes a smarmy ass post

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How many fumbles actually occurred on rushing attempts? Otherwise, you're just combining 2 unrelated stats.

They are not unrelated at all. For some quarterbacks, the reward of running the football is worth the risk. If Cousins had the ability to run, he would. It's just another deficiency in his game. He can't run and he can't make plays in the final two minutes of halves.

Tom Brady can't run either. He had one lost fumble.
Philip Rivers, one.
Ben Roethlisberger, zero.

Why? Because they take care of the ball.

Unrelated and pointless. Quarterback runs end with the QB stepping out of bounds, crossing the goal line or hitting the deck before contact.

Are you saying Josh Allen, Taysom Hill, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray never got hit?

Never? No. Just not very often on running plays. QB's are trained to end the run before they get hit. Tell me how many of their fumbles came on runs.

I watched Josh Allen almost every play this season because he was my fantasy quarterback. The lion's share of his fumbles came when he was running. He doesn't duck anybody. He's a man child.

Provide the numbers for all the QB's you listed to support your argument.

No thank you. Innocent until proven guilty. You say I'm wrong. Prove it.

This is the problem.

You throw out a hand-picked stat to make a point.

Someone debunks that stat.

You step left and change the stat to fit better.

That is also debunked.

Days later, you come back and restate the original debunked stat like something new and freshly served up.

You have no interest in the proofs that are plucked from your puddings.

Who has debunked that stat? Nobody has debunked that stat. They have tried to minimize its importance, but nobody has succeeded. You can't be bad during crunch time. It's the ultimate stat. And he was bad.

Debunked all the time. Often. Frequently. Emphatically.

Lots of things happen inside of 2 minutes not represented in your feeble stat. As an example, how much scoring was orchestrated by KC in the last 2 minutes (TDs, field goal position, etc)?

Ironically, I have always said that KC is not good in crunch time. And that he has too many turnovers.

However, Cousins may be TO happy but he’s my TO happy QB. I’m critical of him when its deserved, accurate, representative.

You seem to be digging around for loose unrelated stats just to stick it to him with (and by proxy, the posters in here). Its not enough that he’s bad at some things (or good), you’re on a quest to make him look like the worst at everything. Its simply mot true.

The post that should end "this session" of the Cousins debate (at least for the next 72 hours).

Tom with one of my favorite posts in a while.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

These are all fair points to raise. I don't think a person is negative to raise them and I don't think you have to be a homer to disagree with any of them.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

This current roster of "No excuses for Kirk or anyone... it can and should compete with any team." must be exciting for those who play the SB in their minds in June. I see fault lines:

- The chances of both Darrisaw and Davis panning out is low. Well, maybe they will eventually but not as early as they are needed (like in three months). This is a reasonable assessment. Two rookies on the line breaking out and dominating right away is a lot to ask. I would argue though that the real need is that they are better than their predecessors. Reif was a league average LT. I think Darrisaw can be at least that. More importantly, despite growing pains, I expect Davis to be a significant upgrade from Dozier.

- Bradbury's excuse this year is better players around him will make him better.
This will require Davis to be able to stand up big DT's and Cleveland to have added some size and strength. It also requires Bradubury himself to get a little stronger. Lots of moving parts on this one.

- Not sold on Irv Smith, although he and a couple of TEs show flashes.
I'm sold on Irv. He won't be the back of the endzone jumbo target, but I like him better in all other phases of the game.

- WR depth is a shambles.
Agreed. I have no faith in anyone beyond Jefferson and Thielen.

- RDE looks to be via committee, and that is assuming Hunter will play.
This is the size 16 EEE shoe that everyone is waiting for to drop. If Hunter comes back, we are fine. Then Weatherly, Wonnum, Mata'afa and the rookies should function well in situational roles. Zim & Patterson like to play mix and match on the d-line.

- The secondary is a huge question. Neither Smith nor Patterson are what they were a few years ago (players get Pro Bowl nods well past when they should). Dantzler and Woods will have to be playing superb but they likely are not ready to. Alexander is the very definition of journeyman at the point, whereby knowing the system is his main positive.
This one is huge. I expect this unit to be better than last year. The problem is that it is not enough to simply be better than last years bunch. They need to be a whole lot better and then some.

- I like Pierce and Tomlinson for stopping the run, but neither has shown they can get to the QB. Tomlinson may be able to be that pass rushing presence but I'd say the odds are below average or 50-50 tops. And you can't sub him out all the time (besides, who is the 3T?).
Tomlinson is the 3T. I don't think they have to get their hands on the QB to be effective against the pass. If they consume blockers and push the pocket, they can disrupt the QB and make it easier for the ends and blitzers. On passing downs, I expect Weatherly and or Mata'afa to slide over to tackle a lot of the time.

Again, the points are all fair to raise. I agree with some, disagree with other and am kinda sorta on the rest.

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How many fumbles actually occurred on rushing attempts? Otherwise, you're just combining 2 unrelated stats.

They are not unrelated at all. For some quarterbacks, the reward of running the football is worth the risk. If Cousins had the ability to run, he would. It's just another deficiency in his game. He can't run and he can't make plays in the final two minutes of halves.

Tom Brady can't run either. He had one lost fumble.
Philip Rivers, one.
Ben Roethlisberger, zero.

Why? Because they take care of the ball.

Unrelated and pointless. Quarterback runs end with the QB stepping out of bounds, crossing the goal line or hitting the deck before contact.

Are you saying Josh Allen, Taysom Hill, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray never got hit?

Never? No. Just not very often on running plays. QB's are trained to end the run before they get hit. Tell me how many of their fumbles came on runs.

I watched Josh Allen almost every play this season because he was my fantasy quarterback. The lion's share of his fumbles came when he was running. He doesn't duck anybody. He's a man child.

Provide the numbers for all the QB's you listed to support your argument.

No thank you. Innocent until proven guilty. You say I'm wrong. Prove it.

This is the problem.

You throw out a hand-picked stat to make a point.

Someone debunks that stat.

You step left and change the stat to fit better.

That is also debunked.

Days later, you come back and restate the original debunked stat like something new and freshly served up.

You have no interest in the proofs that are plucked from your puddings.

Who has debunked that stat? Nobody has debunked that stat. They have tried to minimize its importance, but nobody has succeeded. You can't be bad during crunch time. It's the ultimate stat. And he was bad.

Debunked all the time. Often. Frequently. Emphatically.

Lots of things happen inside of 2 minutes not represented in your feeble stat. As an example, how much scoring was orchestrated by KC in the last 2 minutes (TDs, field goal position, etc)?

Ironically, I have always said that KC is not good in crunch time. And that he has too many turnovers.

However, Cousins may be TO happy but he’s my TO happy QB. I’m critical of him when its deserved, accurate, representative.

You seem to be digging around for loose unrelated stats just to stick it to him with (and by proxy, the posters in here). Its not enough that he’s bad at some things (or good), you’re on a quest to make him look like the worst at everything. Its simply mot true.

The post that should end "this session" of the Cousins debate (at least for the next 72 hours).

Tom with one of my favorite posts in a while.

I thought I was running my mouth and myself off the board. Thanks.

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How many fumbles actually occurred on rushing attempts? Otherwise, you're just combining 2 unrelated stats.

They are not unrelated at all. For some quarterbacks, the reward of running the football is worth the risk. If Cousins had the ability to run, he would. It's just another deficiency in his game. He can't run and he can't make plays in the final two minutes of halves.

Tom Brady can't run either. He had one lost fumble.
Philip Rivers, one.
Ben Roethlisberger, zero.

Why? Because they take care of the ball.

Unrelated and pointless. Quarterback runs end with the QB stepping out of bounds, crossing the goal line or hitting the deck before contact.

Are you saying Josh Allen, Taysom Hill, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray never got hit?

Never? No. Just not very often on running plays. QB's are trained to end the run before they get hit. Tell me how many of their fumbles came on runs.

I watched Josh Allen almost every play this season because he was my fantasy quarterback. The lion's share of his fumbles came when he was running. He doesn't duck anybody. He's a man child.

Provide the numbers for all the QB's you listed to support your argument.

No thank you. Innocent until proven guilty. You say I'm wrong. Prove it.

This is the problem.

You throw out a hand-picked stat to make a point.

Someone debunks that stat.

You step left and change the stat to fit better.

That is also debunked.

Days later, you come back and restate the original debunked stat like something new and freshly served up.

You have no interest in the proofs that are plucked from your puddings.

Who has debunked that stat? Nobody has debunked that stat. They have tried to minimize its importance, but nobody has succeeded. You can't be bad during crunch time. It's the ultimate stat. And he was bad.

Debunked all the time. Often. Frequently. Emphatically.

Lots of things happen inside of 2 minutes not represented in your feeble stat. As an example, how much scoring was orchestrated by KC in the last 2 minutes (TDs, field goal position, etc)?

Ironically, I have always said that KC is not good in crunch time. And that he has too many turnovers.

However, Cousins may be TO happy but he’s my TO happy QB. I’m critical of him when its deserved, accurate, representative.

You seem to be digging around for loose unrelated stats just to stick it to him with (and by proxy, the posters in here). Its not enough that he’s bad at some things (or good), you’re on a quest to make him look like the worst at everything. Its simply mot true.

The post that should end "this session" of the Cousins debate (at least for the next 72 hours).

Tom with one of my favorite posts in a while.

I thought I was running my mouth and myself off the board. Thanks.

I gave up on you weeks ago with your Hughes slobbering and it got worse with the Rudolph man-love, but I wouldn't vote you off the island.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

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How many fumbles actually occurred on rushing attempts? Otherwise, you're just combining 2 unrelated stats.

They are not unrelated at all. For some quarterbacks, the reward of running the football is worth the risk. If Cousins had the ability to run, he would. It's just another deficiency in his game. He can't run and he can't make plays in the final two minutes of halves.

Tom Brady can't run either. He had one lost fumble.
Philip Rivers, one.
Ben Roethlisberger, zero.

Why? Because they take care of the ball.

Unrelated and pointless. Quarterback runs end with the QB stepping out of bounds, crossing the goal line or hitting the deck before contact.

Are you saying Josh Allen, Taysom Hill, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray never got hit?

Never? No. Just not very often on running plays. QB's are trained to end the run before they get hit. Tell me how many of their fumbles came on runs.

I watched Josh Allen almost every play this season because he was my fantasy quarterback. The lion's share of his fumbles came when he was running. He doesn't duck anybody. He's a man child.

Provide the numbers for all the QB's you listed to support your argument.

No thank you. Innocent until proven guilty. You say I'm wrong. Prove it.

This is the problem.

You throw out a hand-picked stat to make a point.

Someone debunks that stat.

You step left and change the stat to fit better.

That is also debunked.

Days later, you come back and restate the original debunked stat like something new and freshly served up.

You have no interest in the proofs that are plucked from your puddings.

Who has debunked that stat? Nobody has debunked that stat. They have tried to minimize its importance, but nobody has succeeded. You can't be bad during crunch time. It's the ultimate stat. And he was bad.

Debunked all the time. Often. Frequently. Emphatically.

Lots of things happen inside of 2 minutes not represented in your feeble stat. As an example, how much scoring was orchestrated by KC in the last 2 minutes (TDs, field goal position, etc)?

Ironically, I have always said that KC is not good in crunch time. And that he has too many turnovers.

However, Cousins may be TO happy but he’s my TO happy QB. I’m critical of him when its deserved, accurate, representative.

You seem to be digging around for loose unrelated stats just to stick it to him with (and by proxy, the posters in here). Its not enough that he’s bad at some things (or good), you’re on a quest to make him look like the worst at everything. Its simply mot true.

The post that should end "this session" of the Cousins debate (at least for the next 72 hours).

Tom with one of my favorite posts in a while.

I thought I was running my mouth and myself off the board. Thanks.

I gave up on you weeks ago with your Hughes slobbering and it got worse with the Rudolph man-love, but I wouldn't vote you off the island.

There must be some seedy titillation involved on your part.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

They will make their share of plays but watch what they do for Kendricks. He will be running free with only occasional OLineman getting to him. Big numbers for him(Kendricks) this year.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

They will make their share of plays but watch what they do for Kendricks. He will be running free with only occasional OLineman getting to him. Big numbers for him(Kendricks) this year.

With his normal value plus the probable expectations of what he can do behind the two big guys, Kendricks is really a key player.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

No purple glasses needed.....Stephen and garbage was manning in the middle on Kamaras 6 TDs....it will be improvement. Two rookies on the Oline will be improvement...three veteran DBs added to defense....again improvement.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

No purple glasses needed.....Stephen and garbage was manning in the middle on Kamaras 6 TDs....it will be improvement. Two rookies on the Oline will be improvement...three veteran DBs added to defense....again improvement.

I think it's very early to be calling two rookies on the offensive line an improvement.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

I specifically noted that Darrisaw and Davis were unknowns that our season will hinge upon. Tomlinson and Pierce are knowns that I expect to be good.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

I specifically noted that Darrisaw and Davis were unknowns that our season will hinge upon. Tomlinson and Pierce are knowns that I expect to be good.

I specifically saw 1st and 2nd team all-american selections for our 2 selections on the oline.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

I specifically noted that Darrisaw and Davis were unknowns that our season will hinge upon. Tomlinson and Pierce are knowns that I expect to be good.

I specifically saw 1st and 2nd team all-american selections for our 2 selections on the oline.

When they're coming to the Pros an All American selection and $5.99 can get you a small cup of coffee at Starbucks. Point being All American doesn't mean much.
Don't by any means take this to mean that I don't expect them to be good, but at this time we can't really count on them being good. I'm hopeful. [:D]

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As I understand it, Pierce is a wall but not a great pass rushing option. I thought I had read that Tomlinson had a solid pressure rate last year from the NT position. It might be better from 3T in 2021. I don't think he's 1 dimensional and will be an upgrade imo.

https://lwosports.com/2021/03/29/dalvin-tomlinson-brings-help-run-defense/

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

I specifically noted that Darrisaw and Davis were unknowns that our season will hinge upon. Tomlinson and Pierce are knowns that I expect to be good.

I specifically saw 1st and 2nd team all-american selections for our 2 selections on the oline.

When they're coming to the Pros an All American selection and $5.99 can get you a small cup of coffee at Starbucks. Point being All American doesn't mean much.
Don't by any means take this to mean that I don't expect them to be good, but at this time we can't really count on them being good. I'm hopeful. [:D]

Yes that is true but I saw the leadership skills of both mentioned and a Vikings skit of just general Vikings knowledge and Darrisaw especially is one smart guy...

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ORIGINAL: Pager

As I understand it, Pierce is a wall but not a great pass rushing option. I thought I had read that Tomlinson had a solid pressure rate last year from the NT position. It might be better from 3T in 2021. I don't think he's 1 dimensional and will be an upgrade imo.

https://lwosports.com/2021/03/29/dalvin-tomlinson-brings-help-run-defense/

The article concludes, IMO rightly so, with: If Tomlinson can be a force in the passing game, his reps will likely increase on third downs and or passing situations. In New York, he was mainly sidelined when teams would spread the field with the threat of passing. Minnesota has gained a marque run-suffer, but the questions will loom on how effective Tomlinson will be in the passing game.

I liked the signing in terms of getting a player coming off his first contract with possibilities to improve next to Pierce. But my opinion was also jaded by opponents absolutely shredding us rushing up the middle. So it's like, ok we addressed that with these two bigs starting, now what else do you have Tomlinson.

As for Pierce, can he be a poor mans Jerry Ball/Pat Williams?

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ORIGINAL: Pager

As I understand it, Pierce is a wall but not a great pass rushing option. I thought I had read that Tomlinson had a solid pressure rate last year from the NT position. It might be better from 3T in 2021. I don't think he's 1 dimensional and will be an upgrade imo.

https://lwosports.com/2021/03/29/dalvin-tomlinson-brings-help-run-defense/

The article concludes, IMO rightly so, with: If Tomlinson can be a force in the passing game, his reps will likely increase on third downs and or passing situations. In New York, he was mainly sidelined when teams would spread the field with the threat of passing. Minnesota has gained a marque run-suffer, but the questions will loom on how effective Tomlinson will be in the passing game.

I liked the signing in terms of getting a player coming off his first contract with possibilities to improve next to Pierce. But my opinion was also jaded by opponents absolutely shredding us rushing up the middle. So it's like, ok we addressed that with these two bigs starting, now what else do you have Tomlinson.

As for Pierce, can he be a poor mans Jerry Ball/Pat Williams?

Don't know how it translates but he was the Ravens top Dlinemane in 2018; not sure how it will translate after taking a year off.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

A lot of ? marks in the trenches for this team.

Are Pierce and Tomlinson going to be good?

Are two rookie OL going to be any good?

Chances are 50/50 unless you have really thick purple goggles simliar to what KG wears

I specifically noted that Darrisaw and Davis were unknowns that our season will hinge upon. Tomlinson and Pierce are knowns that I expect to be good.

I specifically saw 1st and 2nd team all-american selections for our 2 selections on the oline.

When they're coming to the Pros an All American selection and $5.99 can get you a small cup of coffee at Starbucks. Point being All American doesn't mean much.
Don't by any means take this to mean that I don't expect them to be good, but at this time we can't really count on them being good. I'm hopeful. [:D]

Yes that is true but I saw the leadership skills of both mentioned and a Vikings skit of just general Vikings knowledge and Darrisaw especially is one smart guy...

[:-] What general Vikings knowledge was Darrisaw so smart at? History? Stats? Trivia? Selecting Ron Yary for $100? Reciting head coach rants?

I won't even ask the logical follow-on about relevance.

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As I understand it, Pierce is a wall but not a great pass rushing option. I thought I had read that Tomlinson had a solid pressure rate last year from the NT position. It might be better from 3T in 2021. I don't think he's 1 dimensional and will be an upgrade imo.

https://lwosports.com/2021/03/29/dalvin-tomlinson-brings-help-run-defense/

The article concludes, IMO rightly so, with: If Tomlinson can be a force in the passing game, his reps will likely increase on third downs and or passing situations. In New York, he was mainly sidelined when teams would spread the field with the threat of passing. Minnesota has gained a marque run-suffer, but the questions will loom on how effective Tomlinson will be in the passing game.

I liked the signing in terms of getting a player coming off his first contract with possibilities to improve next to Pierce. But my opinion was also jaded by opponents absolutely shredding us rushing up the middle. So it's like, ok we addressed that with these two bigs starting, now what else do you have Tomlinson.

As for Pierce, can he be a poor mans Jerry Ball/Pat Williams?

Don't know how it translates but he was the Ravens top Dlinemane in 2018; not sure how it will translate after taking a year off.

Top dlineman? at sock puppetry? says who? the baltimore newtimes food critic?

looking at their 2019 depth chart, not much competition for ‘best of’ trophies. Their LBs get all the production.

Pierce chokes off the middle, occupies, absorbs. He’s like a lead turtle ... hydrant kind of a thing.

Tomlinson is more of a masher, a dislocator, a disruptor.

We won’t get pushed around, thats for sure. And we’ll do some pushing. Not sure after that.

Kendricks will get his, that’s also for sure.

Interesting to me that Hunter Pierce Tomlinson would be a killer 3-4 dline and Barr a proto 3-4 lb.

Its a shame Zimmer only uses Barr to check the enemy. He’s an occupier, an outflanker. We should be sending him in to decapitate people. Maybe he’s too pleasant for that