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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year


Good luck with your next coach/environment

Shhhh. Not so loud. People will think you are crazy for suggesting there may be an answer.

Dr. solution wasn't yours. Yours was cut or trade. [&:]

Now you are just making things up. I suggested those as two options.

It seems now that I have come up with added solutions that you are now doing a classic, Phil Riewer rope-a-dope. With the emphasis on dope.

You never mentioned a restructure...we can look back if needed. You mentioned Cut or Trade. You know it.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall
I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

Yep. You don't need a Top 5 pick to get a QBOTF. We just need to commit to doing it. We haven't done it since Ponder.

i would prefer to keep JJ too, but I am looking for a 15 year quarterback more than a 7 year WR

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year


Good luck with your next coach/environment

Shhhh. Not so loud. People will think you are crazy for suggesting there may be an answer.

Dr. solution wasn't yours. Yours was cut or trade. [&:]

Now you are just making things up. I suggested those as two options.

It seems now that I have come up with added solutions that you are now doing a classic, Phil Riewer rope-a-dope. With the emphasis on dope.

You never mentioned a restructure...we can look back if needed. You mentioned Cut or Trade. You know it.

Are you admitting that a restructure is a good idea?

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ORIGINAL: Murph

I don't hate Kirk, he's a little above average but is massively overpaid.

For the people who seem to love Kirk and his Huge contract, I have a serious question.

I just want to know what the realistic plan is to win a Super Bowl with Kirk and the remaining cap space??

I don't think it's possible.

I've seen a shit ton of Viking teams go to the post season and lose.

I really don't care how many games we would have won with him or without him if it doesn't result in a Super Bowl, in fact, at this point in my life, I'd rather have better draft position then win a few extra games.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

10 biggest contracts in the NFL this season:

1) Aaron Rodgers (didn't live up to it)
2) Russell Wilson (didn't live up to it)
3) Kyler Murray (didn't live up to it)
4) Deshaun Watson (didn't live up to it)
5) Patrick Mahomes
6) Josh Allen
7) Derek Carr (didn't live up to it)
8) Dak Prescott (didn't live up to it)
9) Matthew Stafford (didn't live up to it)
10) Kirk Cousins (with the #14 QB rating, didn't live up to it)

Anyone seeing a trend here?

Again it is a double edge sword. You have maybe 8-9 wins w/o Kirk. I remember the Ponder, Teddy, Bradford years. Case we lucked into and he hasn't done that since for one year. Total Sabotage solution; you also are talking about something that can't be done anyway. They can't cut him due to cap and he has a no trade.

Your solution isn't one.

You gain 13 million by cutting Hicks and Kendricks alone. They will have cap space and if they resign TJ and Jefferson they can create more.

IMO you are far too optimistic with say $30 million cap.

First of all, we are starting 2023 with a cap deficit, so the $30 million ends up being around $20 million. Then you have the rookie class, and w/o a second rounder might be around $5 million.

Like magic, your $30 million is automatically reduced to $15 million.

The cap isn't locked in for 2023 yet but they had zero cap room last year and 28 million in dead cap and created 20 million. They have more breathing room this year and will obviously create more.

I see a better chance of keeping Harry over Kendricks and Hicks...those two have almost zero dead cap by cutting. So that could be a restructure (for Harry).

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

10 biggest contracts in the NFL this season:

1) Aaron Rodgers (didn't live up to it)
2) Russell Wilson (didn't live up to it)
3) Kyler Murray (didn't live up to it)
4) Deshaun Watson (didn't live up to it)
5) Patrick Mahomes
6) Josh Allen
7) Derek Carr (didn't live up to it)
8) Dak Prescott (didn't live up to it)
9) Matthew Stafford (didn't live up to it)
10) Kirk Cousins (with the #14 QB rating, didn't live up to it)

Anyone seeing a trend here?

Again it is a double edge sword. You have maybe 8-9 wins w/o Kirk. I remember the Ponder, Teddy, Bradford years. Case we lucked into and he hasn't done that since for one year. Total Sabotage solution; you also are talking about something that can't be done anyway. They can't cut him due to cap and he has a no trade.

Your solution isn't one.

You gain 13 million by cutting Hicks and Kendricks alone. They will have cap space and if they resign TJ and Jefferson they can create more.

IMO you are far too optimistic with say $30 million cap.

First of all, we are starting 2023 with a cap deficit, so the $30 million ends up being around $20 million. Then you have the rookie class, and w/o a second rounder might be around $5 million.

Like magic, your $30 million is automatically reduced to $15 million.

The cap isn't locked in for 2023 yet but they had zero cap room last year and 28 million in dead cap and created 20 million. They have more breathing room this year and will obviously create more.

I see a better chance of keeping Harry over Kendricks and Hicks...those two have almost zero dead cap by cutting. So that could be a restructure (for Harry).

Oh, did you factor in the incredible costs to extend TWO "generational" talents in JJ and TJ?

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ORIGINAL: Murp
I don't hate Kirk, he's a little above average but is massively overpaid.

For the people who seem to love Kirk and his Huge contract, I have a serious question.

I just want to know what the realistic plan is to win a Super Bowl with Kirk and the remaining cap space??

I don't think it's possible.

I've seen a shit ton of Viking teams go to the post season and lose.

I really don't care how many games we would have won with him or without him if it doesn't result in a Super Bowl, in fact, at this point in my life, I'd rather have better draft position then win a few extra games.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Murp
I don't hate Kirk, he's a little above average but is massively overpaid.

For the people who seem to love Kirk and his Huge contract, I have a serious question.

I just want to know what the realistic plan is to win a Super Bowl with Kirk and the remaining cap space??

I don't think it's possible.

I've seen a shit ton of Viking teams go to the post season and lose.

I really don't care how many games we would have won with him or without him if it doesn't result in a Super Bowl, in fact, at this point in my life, I'd rather have better draft position then win a few extra games.

QBOTF needs to be done this year. One if FA(Lance, Wilson) and maybe 2 in the draft.

Keeping Kirk helps us land one or two players in FA this year.

The only upside of dumping Cousins is better draft position in 2024.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

Yep. You don't need a Top 5 pick to get a QBOTF. We just need to commit to doing it. We haven't done it since Ponder.

i would prefer to keep JJ too, but I am looking for a 15 year quarterback more than a 7 year WR

Cap is going up. We can do both.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year


Good luck with your next coach/environment

Shhhh. Not so loud. People will think you are crazy for suggesting there may be an answer.

Dr. solution wasn't yours. Yours was cut or trade. [&:]

Now you are just making things up. I suggested those as two options.

It seems now that I have come up with added solutions that you are now doing a classic, Phil Riewer rope-a-dope. With the emphasis on dope.

You never mentioned a restructure...we can look back if needed. You mentioned Cut or Trade. You know it.

Are you admitting that a restructure is a good idea?

Of course; he has restructured before. I don't see it though as I don't think the FO want to add years....they added void years and he took a pay cut last year to free up cap.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall
I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

Yep. You don't need a Top 5 pick to get a QBOTF. We just need to commit to doing it. We haven't done it since Ponder.

i would prefer to keep JJ too, but I am looking for a 15 year quarterback more than a 7 year WR

Cap is going up. We can do both.

Yes, the cap is going up which means ALL players we sign will be more expensive. And it goes up for every team.

It should result in roughly the same figure WRT a players % of the overall team cap.

The notion that an increasing cap figure is a benefit is mostly a myth.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year


Good luck with your next coach/environment

Shhhh. Not so loud. People will think you are crazy for suggesting there may be an answer.

Dr. solution wasn't yours. Yours was cut or trade. [&:]

Now you are just making things up. I suggested those as two options.

It seems now that I have come up with added solutions that you are now doing a classic, Phil Riewer rope-a-dope. With the emphasis on dope.

You never mentioned a restructure...we can look back if needed. You mentioned Cut or Trade. You know it.

Are you admitting that a restructure is a good idea?

Of course; he has restructured before. I don't see it though as I don't think the FO want to add years....they added void years and he took a pay cut last year to free up cap.

Restructure for this year. No future years. It gives him the opportunity to allow him to play this season and make future earnings at a new home in the future. I never said anything about an extension.

If not, he can sit on the bench at the age of 35. That loses him money in the future. He will have far less people interested at 36, a year removed from the field.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall
I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

Yep. You don't need a Top 5 pick to get a QBOTF. We just need to commit to doing it. We haven't done it since Ponder.

i would prefer to keep JJ too, but I am looking for a 15 year quarterback more than a 7 year WR

Cap is going up. We can do both.

Yes, the cap is going up which means ALL players we sign will be more expensive. And it goes up for every team.

It should result in roughly the same figure WRT a players % of the overall team cap.

The notion that an increasing cap figure is a benefit is mostly a myth.

Salary cap or no room on the salary cap seems to be about the same, a myth. I thought there was no room last year. There always seems to be room.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year


Good luck with your next coach/environment

Shhhh. Not so loud. People will think you are crazy for suggesting there may be an answer.

Dr. solution wasn't yours. Yours was cut or trade. [&:]

Now you are just making things up. I suggested those as two options.

It seems now that I have come up with added solutions that you are now doing a classic, Phil Riewer rope-a-dope. With the emphasis on dope.

You never mentioned a restructure...we can look back if needed. You mentioned Cut or Trade. You know it.

Are you admitting that a restructure is a good idea?

Of course; he has restructured before. I don't see it though as I don't think the FO want to add years....they added void years and he took a pay cut last year to free up cap.

Restructure for this year. No future years. It gives him the opportunity to allow him to play this season and make future earnings at a new home in the future. I never said anything about an extension.

If not, he can sit on the bench at the age of 35. That loses him money in the future. He will have far less people interested at 36, a year removed from the field.

Whatever Brad......are you really a fan?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The regime will be thinking strategically with the cap.

JJ will be a fortune. O'Neill's contract is going to kick in. After they sort out more mess next season, Darrisaw will enter his 4th year. He is trending towards a mammoth contract especially as he plays at a premium position.

The QBOTF will almost have to be via the draft.

If they dump massive amounts of cap into void years, I'd say that's an early indicator the Wilfs are preparing to sell the team.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Murp
I don't hate Kirk, he's a little above average but is massively overpaid.

For the people who seem to love Kirk and his Huge contract, I have a serious question.

I just want to know what the realistic plan is to win a Super Bowl with Kirk and the remaining cap space??

I don't think it's possible.

I've seen a shit ton of Viking teams go to the post season and lose.

I really don't care how many games we would have won with him or without him if it doesn't result in a Super Bowl, in fact, at this point in my life, I'd rather have better draft position then win a few extra games.

QBOTF needs to be done this year. One in trade(Lance, Wilson) and maybe 2 in the draft.

Keeping Kirk helps us land one or two players in FA this year.

The only upside of dumping Cousins is better draft position in 2024.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall
I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

Yep. You don't need a Top 5 pick to get a QBOTF. We just need to commit to doing it. We haven't done it since Ponder.

i would prefer to keep JJ too, but I am looking for a 15 year quarterback more than a 7 year WR

Cap is going up. We can do both.

Yes, the cap is going up which means ALL players we sign will be more expensive. And it goes up for every team.

It should result in roughly the same figure WRT a players % of the overall team cap.

The notion that an increasing cap figure is a benefit is mostly a myth.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

10 biggest contracts in the NFL this season:

1) Aaron Rodgers (didn't live up to it)
2) Russell Wilson (didn't live up to it)
3) Kyler Murray (didn't live up to it)
4) Deshaun Watson (didn't live up to it)
5) Patrick Mahomes
6) Josh Allen
7) Derek Carr (didn't live up to it)
8) Dak Prescott (didn't live up to it)
9) Matthew Stafford (didn't live up to it)
10) Kirk Cousins (with the #14 QB rating, didn't live up to it)

Anyone seeing a trend here?

Again it is a double edge sword. You have maybe 8-9 wins w/o Kirk. I remember the Ponder, Teddy, Bradford years. Case we lucked into and he hasn't done that since for one year. Total Sabotage solution; you also are talking about something that can't be done anyway. They can't cut him due to cap and he has a no trade.

Your solution isn't one.

You gain 13 million by cutting Hicks and Kendricks alone. They will have cap space and if they resign TJ and Jefferson they can create more.

IMO you are far too optimistic with say $30 million cap.

First of all, we are starting 2023 with a cap deficit, so the $30 million ends up being around $20 million. Then you have the rookie class, and w/o a second rounder might be around $5 million.

Like magic, your $30 million is automatically reduced to $15 million.

The cap isn't locked in for 2023 yet but they had zero cap room last year and 28 million in dead cap and created 20 million. They have more breathing room this year and will obviously create more.

I see a better chance of keeping Harry over Kendricks and Hicks...those two have almost zero dead cap by cutting. So that could be a restructure (for Harry).

Oh, did you factor in the incredible costs to extend TWO "generational" talents in JJ and TJ?

Yes. You structure how you want. Usually the signing bonus makes the first year or 2 less.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The regime will be thinking strategically with the cap.

JJ will be a fortune. O'Neill's contract is going to kick in. After they sort out more mess next season, Darrisaw will enter his 4th year. He is trending towards a mammoth contract especially as he plays at a premium position.

The QBOTF will almost have to be via the draft.

If they dump massive amounts of cap into void years, I'd say that's an early indicator the Wilfs are preparing to sell the team.

Has there been some talk about them selling?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year


Good luck with your next coach/environment

Shhhh. Not so loud. People will think you are crazy for suggesting there may be an answer.

Dr. solution wasn't yours. Yours was cut or trade. [&:]

Now you are just making things up. I suggested those as two options.

It seems now that I have come up with added solutions that you are now doing a classic, Phil Riewer rope-a-dope. With the emphasis on dope.

You never mentioned a restructure...we can look back if needed. You mentioned Cut or Trade. You know it.

Are you admitting that a restructure is a good idea?

Of course; he has restructured before. I don't see it though as I don't think the FO want to add years....they added void years and he took a pay cut last year to free up cap.

Restructure for this year. No future years. It allows him to play this season and make future earnings at a new home the next year. I never said anything about an extension.

If not, he can sit on the bench at the age of 35. That potentially loses him a lot of money in the future. He will have far less people interested at 36, a year removed from the field.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall
I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

Yep. You don't need a Top 5 pick to get a QBOTF. We just need to commit to doing it. We haven't done it since Ponder.

i would prefer to keep JJ too, but I am looking for a 15 year quarterback more than a 7 year WR

Cap is going up. We can do both.

Yes, the cap is going up which means ALL players we sign will be more expensive. And it goes up for every team.

It should result in roughly the same figure WRT a players % of the overall team cap.

The notion that an increasing cap figure is a benefit is mostly a myth.

I guess I'm saying JJ will be highest paid WR ever when he signs.

But, he probably will be between 3-5 (in current WR salaries) when he gets to his 4th or 5th year.

Like Cousins, who actually is 10th highest paid QB now.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Murp
I don't hate Kirk, he's a little above average but is massively overpaid.

For the people who seem to love Kirk and his Huge contract, I have a serious question.

I just want to know what the realistic plan is to win a Super Bowl with Kirk and the remaining cap space??

I don't think it's possible.

I've seen a shit ton of Viking teams go to the post season and lose.

I really don't care how many games we would have won with him or without him if it doesn't result in a Super Bowl, in fact, at this point in my life, I'd rather have better draft position then win a few extra games.

QBOTF needs to be done this year. One in trade(Lance, Wilson) and maybe 2 in the draft.

Keeping Kirk helps us land one or two players in FA this year.

The only upside of dumping Cousins is better draft position in 2024.

Should have done it last year. I was begging them to trade him and get rid of the other over paid vets last year but that ship has sailed.

They put themselves in a tough spot with his contract, horrible extension. Now it's their mess to clean up.

I would still try to trade him now if possible, if we can't, I'd keep him for one more year.

Looking at our schedule, aging roster, lack of defensive talent, lack of cap space and unimpressive drafting acumen;

I think we are going to have a really bad record next season regardless of QB.

It's an unintentional tank.