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Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 9:54:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. Daniel Jones is making a small fraction of what Kirk Cousins makes. And he had the No. 7 QB Rating in the league. And he accomplished that with Darius Slayton as his top target. Cousins has never approached that number in his entire career.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 9:56:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. Daniel Jones is making a small fraction of what Kirk Cousins makes. And he had the No. 7 QB Rating in the league. Cousins has never approached that number in his entire career. He actually is a FA after this year. NYG did what we did to Bradbury. There is one option.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 9:56:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. That really wasn't the point as the posts were about what round they were taken in. Nevertheless.... Jones and Cousins have the same QB rating this year. More importantly, how did Jones, Dak, and Cousins produce in the playoffs this weekend? Hint, two did well while carrying their team. One folded when it mattered. Purdy looks like a good young QB.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 9:57:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. That really wasn't the point as the posts were about what round they were taken in. Nevertheless.... Jones and Cousins have the same QB rating this year. More importantly, how did Jones, Dak, and Cousins produce in the playoffs this weekend? Hint, two did well while carrying their team. One folded when it mattered. Purdy looks like a good young QB. Who won when it mattered, Cousins or Jones?

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 9:59:12 AM)
Question of the Day: Who won when it mattered, Kirk Cousins or Daniel Jones?

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 9:59:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. That really wasn't the point as the posts were about what round they were taken in. Nevertheless.... Jones and Cousins have the same QB rating this year. More importantly, how did Jones, Dak, and Cousins produce in the playoffs this weekend? Hint, two did well while carrying their team. One folded when it mattered. Purdy looks like a good young QB. Who won when it mattered, Cousins or Jones? Shall we compare defense? What’s the deepest Super Bowl run a team has made with the worst defense in the league ? You would trade for Jones today, sign him for 5 years at huge money and consider the qb issue settled?

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:00:02 AM)
I keep on forgetting that Brad really is a Vikes fan after TB, SF, and NE.[sm=whistling.gif]

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:01:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. That really wasn't the point as the posts were about what round they were taken in. Nevertheless.... Jones and Cousins have the same QB rating this year. More importantly, how did Jones, Dak, and Cousins produce in the playoffs this weekend? Hint, two did well while carrying their team. One folded when it mattered. Purdy looks like a good young QB. Who won when it mattered, Cousins or Jones? Shall we compare defense? What’s the deepest Super Bowl run a team has made with the worst defense in the league ? You would trade for Jones today, sign him for 5 years at huge money and consider the qb issue settled? Are you asking if I would take Daniel Jones over Kirk Cousins? If that's the question...........100% ABSOLUTELY!

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:01:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. That really wasn't the point as the posts were about what round they were taken in. Nevertheless.... Jones and Cousins have the same QB rating this year. More importantly, how did Jones, Dak, and Cousins produce in the playoffs this weekend? Hint, two did well while carrying their team. One folded when it mattered. Purdy looks like a good young QB. Yep. We need a mobile QBOTF. Jones took off when pressured and made positive plays and Cousins sat there and threw the ball when taking hits.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:01:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. 1) SD is out of the playoffs. Jones has been good this year w/o a clear #1 WR. First rounders: NYG, KC, Buffalo, Cinn, Jax. Second rounders: Philly Third Rounders: Dallas 7th: SF You don't have to go all in on a qb. Dak did nothing in the post season when he was a small % of the cap. He is no better than Cousins until he proves otherwise. Has Hurts done anything? His durability is an issue. Nobody dissatisfied with Cousins should be envious of Philly Dallas NE situations. Only QB situations I am jealous of are the top shelf high end guys that pass well from the pocket and can run with they have to. They were all drafted high. The timing of your posts are amazing. 12 hours ago Dak had a near-perfect game. 4 TDs and 0 picks.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:02:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I keep on forgetting that Brad really is a Vikes fan after TB, SF, and NE.[sm=whistling.gif] Again, just silly hyperbole. Just because I am critical doesn't mean I don't root for them. In some circles, being critical is a good thing. In fact, in most successful circles.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:02:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. That really wasn't the point as the posts were about what round they were taken in. Nevertheless.... Jones and Cousins have the same QB rating this year. More importantly, how did Jones, Dak, and Cousins produce in the playoffs this weekend? Hint, two did well while carrying their team. One folded when it mattered. Purdy looks like a good young QB. Who won when it mattered, Cousins or Jones? Shall we compare defense? What’s the deepest Super Bowl run a team has made with the worst defense in the league ? You would trade for Jones today, sign him for 5 years at huge money and consider the qb issue settled? Are you asking if I would take Daniel Jones over Kirk Cousins? If that's the question...........100% ABSOLUTELY! We'll see how he looks against Philly. We make every guy look like a 100M QB.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:05:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. That really wasn't the point as the posts were about what round they were taken in. Nevertheless.... Jones and Cousins have the same QB rating this year. More importantly, how did Jones, Dak, and Cousins produce in the playoffs this weekend? Hint, two did well while carrying their team. One folded when it mattered. Purdy looks like a good young QB. Who won when it mattered, Cousins or Jones? Shall we compare defense? What’s the deepest Super Bowl run a team has made with the worst defense in the league ? You would trade for Jones today, sign him for 5 years at huge money and consider the qb issue settled? Are you asking if I would take Daniel Jones over Kirk Cousins? If that's the question...........100% ABSOLUTELY! We'll see how he looks against Philly. We make every guy look like a 100M QB. I think the Philly/NYG game is going to be a good one. They just played two weeks ago and the Giants nearly beat them with almost no starters playing (and Philly playing everyone). Philly was not playing their best football down the stretch. I think Philly will win, but I think it will be tighter than people expect.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:06:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. That really wasn't the point as the posts were about what round they were taken in. Nevertheless.... Jones and Cousins have the same QB rating this year. More importantly, how did Jones, Dak, and Cousins produce in the playoffs this weekend? Hint, two did well while carrying their team. One folded when it mattered. Purdy looks like a good young QB. Who won when it mattered, Cousins or Jones? Shall we compare defense? What’s the deepest Super Bowl run a team has made with the worst defense in the league ? You would trade for Jones today, sign him for 5 years at huge money and consider the qb issue settled? No QB is good enough for you except, by your admittance, the few top shelf QBs like Allen and Mahomes. Oh, and not top shelf Cousins. Paralysis by biased analysis!

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:08:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I keep on forgetting that Brad really is a Vikes fan after TB, SF, and NE.[sm=whistling.gif] Again, just silly hyperbole. Just because I am critical doesn't mean I don't root for them. In some circles, being critical is a good thing. In fact, in most successful circles. Being critical w/o rational is considered trolling in almost all circles. You know starting with those critical posts that are not possible for 2-3 pages. Then saying restructure was you primary when it wasn't even mentioned at first. Daniel Jones was drafted #1 so us having him wasn't rational. You seemed intent on cutting the legs on any thought with cutting and trading Kirk....

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:09:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I keep on forgetting that Brad really is a Vikes fan after TB, SF, and NE.[sm=whistling.gif] Again, just silly hyperbole. Just because I am critical doesn't mean I don't root for them. In some circles, being critical is a good thing. In fact, in most successful circles. Being critical w/o rational is considered trolling in almost all circles. You know starting with those critical posts that are not possible for 2-3 pages. Then saying restructure was you primary when it wasn't even mentioned at first. Daniel Jones was drafted #1 so us having him wasn't rational. You seemed intent on cutting the legs on any thought with cutting and trading Kirk.... Yep, keep making stuff up. It's what your kind do. Off to work.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:12:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. That really wasn't the point as the posts were about what round they were taken in. Nevertheless.... Jones and Cousins have the same QB rating this year. More importantly, how did Jones, Dak, and Cousins produce in the playoffs this weekend? Hint, two did well while carrying their team. One folded when it mattered. Purdy looks like a good young QB. Who won when it mattered, Cousins or Jones? Shall we compare defense? What’s the deepest Super Bowl run a team has made with the worst defense in the league ? You would trade for Jones today, sign him for 5 years at huge money and consider the qb issue settled? No QB is good enough for you except, by your admittance, the few top shelf QBs like Allen and Mahomes. Oh, and not top shelf Cousins. Paralysis by biased analysis! Point is, outside of 4-5 QBs you need an entire team around them to be competitive year after year. The worst defense in the league doesn’t make Super Bowl runs. Period.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:14:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I keep on forgetting that Brad really is a Vikes fan after TB, SF, and NE.[sm=whistling.gif] Again, just silly hyperbole. Just because I am critical doesn't mean I don't root for them. In some circles, being critical is a good thing. In fact, in most successful circles. Being critical w/o rational is considered trolling in almost all circles. You know starting with those critical posts that are not possible for 2-3 pages. Then saying restructure was you primary when it wasn't even mentioned at first. Daniel Jones was drafted #1 so us having him wasn't rational. You seemed intent on cutting the legs on any thought with cutting and trading Kirk.... Yep, keep making stuff up. It's what your kind do. Off to work. Yep...exactly.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:14:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted? KC Buffalo Cinncy San Diego Jacksonville They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone. You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round. I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows. Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank. Dak is a turn over machine. Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO. That really wasn't the point as the posts were about what round they were taken in. Nevertheless.... Jones and Cousins have the same QB rating this year. More importantly, how did Jones, Dak, and Cousins produce in the playoffs this weekend? Hint, two did well while carrying their team. One folded when it mattered. Purdy looks like a good young QB. Who won when it mattered, Cousins or Jones? Shall we compare defense? What’s the deepest Super Bowl run a team has made with the worst defense in the league ? You would trade for Jones today, sign him for 5 years at huge money and consider the qb issue settled? Are you asking if I would take Daniel Jones over Kirk Cousins? If that's the question...........100% ABSOLUTELY! I would have taken Daniel Jones on his rookie deal over the last four years over Cousins on his mega contract. Now that Jones will get paid I'd still probably choose Jones over Cousins because of Jones' mobility and that there's a chance his contract might be somewhat smaller than Cousins. Over both of them I'd choose whoever I can get in the draft this year, next year, the year after that, etc... until I hit a homerun.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:17:10 AM)
Jones won 9 games with a much better defense. Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13 Makes sense to me.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:17:37 AM)
The draft has always been more important than free agency, but you need cap room to keep your best players and augment here and there. As it stands, I expect we sign no more than two mid-tier types. Please, no creative cap crap to sign any old, older, or injury prone players. I did like Spielman's stated philosophy early on: go after under the radar types coming off their first contract.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:29:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Jones won 9 games with a much better defense. Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13 Makes sense to me. Outside of Barkley he has almost no talent around him. He manufactured a win when it mattered. To me, that is the difference between him and Cousins. Jones laid his body on the line and gutted out a win. Cousins checked down on fourth down with the season on the line. It's the difference between being a winner or a perennial brides maid.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:33:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Jones won 9 games with a much better defense. Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13 Makes sense to me. I don't look at it as a simple Jones vs. Cousins comparison. I look at the big picture. Jones' cap hits over the last four years were (rounded) $5, $6, $7, and $8 million. Cousins' were $29, $21, $31, and $31. So in each of those years you don't just get Jones but you get Jones + whatever the extra $24 million buys you which could be a star corner AND a star guard.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:45:34 AM)
Now that Ive had time to decompress after that debacle Here are my thoughts. Cousins was not the problem. Our defense was. Jones wasn't special. Our defense was terrible. They generated NO pressure. Any QB given the time he was given could pick our defense apart. They showed it all year long with mediocre QB after Mediocre QB had their best game of the year against us. We made the likes of Jones (twice), Goff (Twice), Fields, Dalton, White, Heinecke, Thompson, Look like world beaters. Hell we made Pederman and Boyle look competant. Who knows how things turn out with a better defense. The Fourth and 8 play brings me back nostalgically to the Zimmer era when we frequently would throw way short of the sticks when we need a lot of yardage. It was dumbfuckery at its finest. Season on the line and they thow an three yard dump pass when they needed 8 yeards to a receiver running sideways, not forward so he would have a chance with his momentum to actually get there. JJ did the best he could. TJ was awesome. We were in the game until the fourth quarter. The defense couldn't get off the field. The Giants didn't even have a THIRD down until the second Qtr. We only made the Giants punt TWICE. and the first was in the third Qtr (and Reagor nearly gave the ball to the Giants on that one, Kris Boyd saved us there). Jones and Barkley ran all over us. the middle of the field (just like all season long) was wide open for them. some people want to make excuses for Ed Donatell. Not me. They did NOTHING to fix the problems they had on D all year. They made no adjustments... Everybody moved on us. They say we have the wrong personnell for this defense...then the DC needs to make it work. He didn't. If you want to run a 3-4, have our OC call his Dad and ask him to run it... I am not surprised our season ended in the first round. I am glad it wasn't as embarassing as some of the other losses like 41-0, 12 men in the huddle, Taking a knee etc.. but I was disapppointed nonetheless. That game was very winnable and we would have if our defense just existed.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/17/2023 10:45:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Jones won 9 games with a much better defense. Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13 Makes sense to me. I don't look at it as a simple Jones vs. Cousins comparison. I look at the big picture. Jones' cap hits over the last four years were (rounded) $5, $6, $7, and $8 million. Cousins' were $29, $21, $31, and $31. So in each of those years you don't just get Jones but you get Jones + whatever the extra $24 million buys you which could be a star corner AND a star guard. Problem with Jones...NYG didn't think enough of him to guarantee his last year (before a full year of Daboll). So there is that. So if you go hypothetical the first 3 years are struggles with decent WR on his contract.

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