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ORIGINAL: David F.

In 2017, the Chiefs traded their #27, their 3rd rounder - 91st overall, and their 2018 first round pick to move to #10 and drafted Patrick Mahomes. KC did this even though they had a decent starting QB in Alex Smith who had thrown for 76 TDs and 28 INTs over the prior four seasons with KC. KC went 43-21 during those four years. In 2017, Alex Smith threw for 4042 yards, 26 TDs and 5 INTs. The team went 10-6 but lost in the first round of the playoffs. Alex Smith finished 1-4 in the playoffs for KC. KC had no problem trading Smith to Washington and going with Mahomes.

This is how you go from good to great. Yes for every Mahomes at #10 you'll get a few Blaine Gabberts and Matt Leinerts. But you have to try and you have to be willing to part ways with an Alex Smith. Sure we might not land a Mahomes but we are positively guaranteed to have our Alex Smith otherwise.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I fully expect Cousins to be here for at least the next 2 years. He likes it here. Started a family here. Wants to retire a Viking. He's respected by the team and probably a good portion of coaches and the Wilfs.

If we find a guy at some point that is to supplant Cousins I wouldn't be surprised to see Kirk simply retire.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I fully expect Cousins to be here for at least the next 2 years. He likes it here. Started a family here. Wants to retire a Viking. He's respected by the team and probably a good portion of coaches and the Wilfs.

If we find a guy at some point that is to supplant Cousins I wouldn't be surprised to see Kirk simply retire.

For me to extend him he needs to take a pay cut. Lower the base and add some incentives. If he wins the Super Bowl he gets a 10 Million bonus or something like that.

My first choice is to trade him, and everyone else that's old and expensive, and bottom out with the eye to spring back strong in 2024 & 2025. Again, that requires his approval.

My second choice is to just ride out this year with him and dismantle and rebuild the D. This likely gets us another 9-11 win team with a first round playoff loss if we make it at all. This outcome doesn't help the rebuild because we're probably picking in the 15-25 range again.

Third choice is a lower cost extension to try and improve the team around him. He's still not likely to be the guy to start thriving when the lights are brightest, which is what you need to win it all.

We have a long way to go to become elite. Keeping KC around just slows down the process to getting there. I think he'll only ever be above average.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Reducing his salary and tying it to incentives has appeared the more attractive choice with keeping him for me for the last while.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kirk has around $12 million in void year money for 2024 and 2025. Much like the question with Tomlinson and his $7.5 million for this year - is a new contract offset by that? I know the money has been paid to the player already so my guess is probably no. Also tne player would be dumb to not expect new money with a new deal.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kirk has around $12 million in void year money for 2024 and 2025. Much like the question with Tomlinson and his $7.5 million for this year - is a new contract offset by that? I know the money has been paid to the player already so my guess is probably no. Also tne player would be dumb to not expect new money with a new deal.

Cut now: $48.75 million cap hit to 2023
Cut in one year (automatic if no new deal): $36.25 million cap hit to 2023; $12.5 million cap hit to 2024
New deal this year: $48.75 million + new deal money spread out between 2023, 2024, etc.
New deal next year: $12.5 million + new deal money spread out between 2024, 2025, etc.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kirk has around $12 million in void year money for 2024 and 2025. Much like the question with Tomlinson and his $7.5 million for this year - is a new contract offset by that? I know the money has been paid to the player already so my guess is probably no. Also tne player would be dumb to not expect new money with a new deal.

Cut now: $48.75 million cap hit to 2023
Cut in one year (automatic if no new deal): $36.25 million cap hit to 2023; $12.5 million cap hit to 2024
New deal this year: $48.75 million + new deal money spread out between 2023, 2024, etc.
New deal next year: $12.5 million + new deal money spread out between 2024, 2025, etc.

My Deal: Cut now, pay the cap hit and still feel better as a fan about my chances of ever winning a title. Kirk Cousins is never winning a championship for the Vikings, PERIOD!. The longer this fantasy is prolonged, the closer I get to post mortem.

I want to write a new song. "It aint my money, so I don't give a damned." Sounds like something I could sell to a country star.

Anyone notice how Rick Spielman no longer has a job? Nobody picked up his ass. Why? Because he was a moron. Spielman was a bad hire and trashed this franchise for the foreseeable future. The quicker we move past his mistakes, the better.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kirk has around $12 million in void year money for 2024 and 2025. Much like the question with Tomlinson and his $7.5 million for this year - is a new contract offset by that? I know the money has been paid to the player already so my guess is probably no. Also tne player would be dumb to not expect new money with a new deal.

Cut now: $48.75 million cap hit to 2023
Cut in one year (automatic if no new deal): $36.25 million cap hit to 2023; $12.5 million cap hit to 2024
New deal this year: $48.75 million + new deal money spread out between 2023, 2024, etc.
New deal next year: $12.5 million + new deal money spread out between 2024, 2025, etc.

My Deal: Cut now, pay the cap hit and still feel better as a fan about my chances of ever winning a title. Kirk Cousins is never winning a championship for the Vikings, PERIOD!. The longer this fantasy is prolonged, the closer I get to post mortem.

I want to write a new song. "It aint my money, so I don't give a damned." Sounds like something I could sell to a country star.

Anyone notice how Rick Spielman no longer has a job? Nobody picked up his ass. Why? Because he was a moron. Spielman was a bad hire and trashed this franchise for the foreseeable future. The quicker we move past his mistakes, the better.

Kwesi's first major move as GM was to sign Cousins to a fully guaranteed contract extension.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

How many strikes did Spielman get? His first was paying Jared Allen, then AP....there are so many he paid late in their careers.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

How many strikes did Spielman get? His first was paying Jared Allen, then AP....there are so many he paid late in their careers.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

How many strikes did Spielman get? His first was paying Jared Allen, then AP....there are so many he paid late in their careers.

If Kwesi gives Jefferson a monster deal after his third year, remember Darrisaw’s comes due next year. Starts to defeat the purpose of making great pics when you have to start paying them two years early.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

How many strikes did Spielman get? His first was paying Jared Allen, then AP....there are so many he paid late in their careers.

If Kwesi gives Jefferson a monster deal after his third year, remember Darrisaw’s comes due next year. Starts to defeat the purpose of making great pics when you have to start paying them two years early.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

How many strikes did Spielman get? His first was paying Jared Allen, then AP....there are so many he paid late in their careers.

If Kwesi gives Jefferson a monster deal after his third year, remember Darrisaw’s comes due next year. Starts to defeat the purpose of making great pics when you have to start paying them two years early.

Depends how they work the extension.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

What the Vikings have drafted in the last 15 years in Rounds 1 and 2 of the draft:

🏈 10 DBs
🏈 7 OL
🏈 4 WRs
🏈 2 RBs
🏈 2 QBs
🏈 2 LBs
🏈 2 TEs
🏈 1 iDL
🏈 0 EDGE

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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PFF described the Top 101 as its top-graded players regardless of position and did not weigh the ranking by position importance. These are the Vikings performers who made the cut:

8. Justin Jefferson (WR)
26. Christian Darrisaw (LT)
51. Za’Darius Smith (OLB)
55. Danielle Hunter (OLB)
68. Brian O’Neill (RT)
78. Patrick Peterson (CB)
97. Kirk Cousins (QB)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

What the Vikings have drafted in the last 15 years in Rounds 1 and 2 of the draft:

🏈 10 DBs
🏈 7 OL
🏈 4 WRs
🏈 2 RBs
🏈 2 QBs
🏈 2 LBs
🏈 2 TEs
🏈 1 iDL
🏈 0 EDGE

After Alexander, Clemons, Underwood, Hovan, Udeze, etc we totally gave up on DL (although Kevin Williams worked out).