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ORIGINAL: Todd M

.2024 is clean


This is a very good thing.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

.2024 is clean


This is a very good thing.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

.2024 is clean


This is a very good thing.

It's clean-ish. There will be Cousins' $12.5 million in dead cap from his void years.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Allen

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Some posters seem to want to go 0-17, get the best QB, try it for a year or two and if doesn't work out go 0-17 again.

Outside Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, and Lawerence no team is completely satisfied at QB and there certainly is no proven formula for identifying and developing the "next stud QB".

The Vikings are like 27/28 other teams, trying their best.

Some posters want to keep Kirk Cousins until he is 40 and be a .500 team. Safer play, I guess, but I'd rather be the Bears right now than the Vikings.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

So, it's possible next year at this time we could be keeping Cousins for the finally 12.5 in cap space? Is it probable?

jtbc, I'm not asking Dan ;/

So maybe you wait for your rookie QB next year if the real deal doesn't present itself this year

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

So, it's possible next year at this time we could be keeping Cousins for the finally 12.5 in cap space? Is it probable?

jtbc, I'm not asking Dan ;/

So maybe you wait for your rookie QB next year if the real deal doesn't present itself this year

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Allen

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Some posters seem to want to go 0-17, get the best QB, try it for a year or two and if doesn't work out go 0-17 again.

Outside Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, and Lawerence no team is completely satisfied at QB and there certainly is no proven formula for identifying and developing the "next stud QB".

The Vikings are like 27/28 other teams, trying their best.

Some posters want to keep Kirk Cousins until he is 40 and be a .500 team. Safer play, I guess, but I'd rather be the Bears right now than the Vikings.

Who?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

.2024 is clean


This is a very good thing.

It's clean-ish. There will be Cousins' $12.5 million in dead cap from his void years.

And Hunter at $11.2 million spread over 2024-25.

And who knows what other cap gets pushed forward from pending cuts the next two days.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Allen

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Some posters seem to want to go 0-17, get the best QB, try it for a year or two and if doesn't work out go 0-17 again.

Outside Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, and Lawerence no team is completely satisfied at QB and there certainly is no proven formula for identifying and developing the "next stud QB".

The Vikings are like 27/28 other teams, trying their best.

Some posters want to keep Kirk Cousins until he is 40 and be a .500 team. Safer play, I guess, but I'd rather be the Bears right now than the Vikings.

Who?

The same ones that were saying Cousins had a good chance to win MVP in 2022? I actually have no idea and shouldn't have even responded. Well, too late now. Who were the posters that wanted to go 0-17 so long as we're instituting a 'take everything at face value' stance on the ol' talkvikes this AM?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

So, it's possible next year at this time we could be keeping Cousins for the finally 12.5 in cap space? Is it probable?

jtbc, I'm not asking Dan ;/

So maybe you wait for your rookie QB next year if the real deal doesn't present itself this year

I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Void year money is gone forever and already paid to the player. Just like Tomlinson's $7.5 million counts this year even though he'll be playing for another team. Void years probably shouldn't even be allowed - they feel dirty. People are all "look Cousins isn't even in the top 10 for contracts anymore!". Well, yeah he sort of is. If you count everything he's $48 million this year. I sort of got away from my point - No, Cousins can't just stay a Viking in 2024 for the void year money.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

So, it's possible next year at this time we could be keeping Cousins for the finally 12.5 in cap space? Is it probable?

jtbc, I'm not asking Dan ;/

So maybe you wait for your rookie QB next year if the real deal doesn't present itself this year

I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Void year money is gone forever and already paid to the player. Just like Tomlinson's $7.5 million counts this year even though he'll be playing for another team. Void years probably shouldn't even be allowed - they feel dirty. People are all "look Cousins isn't even in the top 10 for contracts anymore!". Well, yeah he sort of is. If you count everything he's $48 million this year. I sort of got away from my point - No, Cousins can't just stay a Viking in 2024 for the void year money.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

.2024 is clean


This is a very good thing.

It's clean-ish. There will be Cousins' $12.5 million in dead cap from his void years.

And Hunter at $11.2 million spread over 2024-25.

And who knows what other cap gets pushed forward from pending cuts the next two days.

If we give Hunter new deal today, would dead cap charges still be in play?

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

So, it's possible next year at this time we could be keeping Cousins for the finally 12.5 in cap space? Is it probable?

jtbc, I'm not asking Dan ;/

So maybe you wait for your rookie QB next year if the real deal doesn't present itself this year

I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Void year money is gone forever and already paid to the player. Just like Tomlinson's $7.5 million counts this year even though he'll be playing for another team. Void years probably shouldn't even be allowed - they feel dirty. People are all "look Cousins isn't even in the top 10 for contracts anymore!". Well, yeah he sort of is. If you count everything he's $48 million this year. I sort of got away from my point - No, Cousins can't just stay a Viking in 2024 for the void year money.

I am serious, but not as a Cousins cheerleader, but as one who wants to understand what you just said. So correct me if I'm wrong. Play in '23 and there's 12.5 owed to the cap. Play out '24 and there's half of that left for '25?

With my first post I assumed the 12.5 would be due next year

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

So, it's possible next year at this time we could be keeping Cousins for the finally 12.5 in cap space? Is it probable?

jtbc, I'm not asking Dan ;/

So maybe you wait for your rookie QB next year if the real deal doesn't present itself this year

I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Void year money is gone forever and already paid to the player. Just like Tomlinson's $7.5 million counts this year even though he'll be playing for another team. Void years probably shouldn't even be allowed - they feel dirty. People are all "look Cousins isn't even in the top 10 for contracts anymore!". Well, yeah he sort of is. If you count everything he's $48 million this year. I sort of got away from my point - No, Cousins can't just stay a Viking in 2024 for the void year money.

I am serious, but not as a Cousins cheerleader, but as one who wants to understand what you just said. So correct me if I'm wrong. Play in '23 and there's 12.5 owed to the cap. Play out '24 and there's half of that left for '25?

With my first post I assumed the 12.5 would be due next year

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

.2024 is clean


This is a very good thing.

It's clean-ish. There will be Cousins' $12.5 million in dead cap from his void years.

And Hunter at $11.2 million spread over 2024-25.

And who knows what other cap gets pushed forward from pending cuts the next two days.

If we give Hunter new deal today, would dead cap charges still be in play?

Depends on how the deal is structured. And I don't know if you can 'take back' dead cap - for cap accounting purposes - from future void years in the event a new contract is drawn up.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

So, it's possible next year at this time we could be keeping Cousins for the finally 12.5 in cap space? Is it probable?

jtbc, I'm not asking Dan ;/

So maybe you wait for your rookie QB next year if the real deal doesn't present itself this year

I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Void year money is gone forever and already paid to the player. Just like Tomlinson's $7.5 million counts this year even though he'll be playing for another team. Void years probably shouldn't even be allowed - they feel dirty. People are all "look Cousins isn't even in the top 10 for contracts anymore!". Well, yeah he sort of is. If you count everything he's $48 million this year. I sort of got away from my point - No, Cousins can't just stay a Viking in 2024 for the void year money.

I am serious, but not as a Cousins cheerleader, but as one who wants to understand what you just said. So correct me if I'm wrong. Play in '23 and there's 12.5 owed to the cap. Play out '24 and there's half of that left for '25?

With my first post I assumed the 12.5 would be due next year

Overthecap shows the 12.5 is spread out over 2024-25. Just like Hunter.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

Kwesi appears to be building a foundation now that allows the team to make a serious run in 2024. If his approach to FA continues, a version of the following seems very likely (thanks Spotrac):

2023
- In addition to existing cuts, get rid of Harrison Smith, Dalvin Cook, and Zadarius Smith.
- Extend Hunter ($19m year), Hockenson ($14m year), Jefferson ($32m year)

2024
- The team will be $106m under the cap.

Cousins will affect that number if he's around in 2024, and the team will sign a couple of FA's this year that will affect that number, but that's still a lot of money to spend on free agents in 2024 with little to no dead money on the books.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

So, it's possible next year at this time we could be keeping Cousins for the finally 12.5 in cap space? Is it probable?

jtbc, I'm not asking Dan ;/

So maybe you wait for your rookie QB next year if the real deal doesn't present itself this year

I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Void year money is gone forever and already paid to the player. Just like Tomlinson's $7.5 million counts this year even though he'll be playing for another team. Void years probably shouldn't even be allowed - they feel dirty. People are all "look Cousins isn't even in the top 10 for contracts anymore!". Well, yeah he sort of is. If you count everything he's $48 million this year. I sort of got away from my point - No, Cousins can't just stay a Viking in 2024 for the void year money.

I am serious, but not as a Cousins cheerleader, but as one who wants to understand what you just said. So correct me if I'm wrong. Play in '23 and there's 12.5 owed to the cap. Play out '24 and there's half of that left for '25?

With my first post I assumed the 12.5 would be due next year

We gave him a fake year(void year)2024.

This was to get some cap space for 2021 and 2022.

Now we pay the piper in 2024(12.5M in cap space) and he probably won't be on our team.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

So, it's possible next year at this time we could be keeping Cousins for the finally 12.5 in cap space? Is it probable?

jtbc, I'm not asking Dan ;/

So maybe you wait for your rookie QB next year if the real deal doesn't present itself this year

I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Void year money is gone forever and already paid to the player. Just like Tomlinson's $7.5 million counts this year even though he'll be playing for another team. Void years probably shouldn't even be allowed - they feel dirty. People are all "look Cousins isn't even in the top 10 for contracts anymore!". Well, yeah he sort of is. If you count everything he's $48 million this year. I sort of got away from my point - No, Cousins can't just stay a Viking in 2024 for the void year money.

I am serious, but not as a Cousins cheerleader, but as one who wants to understand what you just said. So correct me if I'm wrong. Play in '23 and there's 12.5 owed to the cap. Play out '24 and there's half of that left for '25?

With my first post I assumed the 12.5 would be due next year

We gave him a fake year(void year)2024.

This was to get some cap space for 2021 and 2022.

Now we pay the piper in 2024(12.5M in cap space) and he probably won't be on our team.

But if he is on the team, with nothing done to his contract, we pay 6.25 in '25?

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

Kwesi appears to be building a foundation now that allows the team to make a serious run in 2024. If his approach to FA continues, a version of the following seems very likely (thanks Spotrac):

2023
- In addition to existing cuts, get rid of Harrison Smith, Dalvin Cook, and Zadarius Smith.
- Extend Hunter ($19m year), Hockenson ($14m year), Jefferson ($32m year)

2024
- The team will be $106m under the cap.

Cousins will affect that number if he's around in 2024, and the team will sign a couple of FA's this year that will affect that number, but that's still a lot of money to spend on free agents in 2024 with little to no dead money on the books.

Cleaning up the books was going to take a couple years.

Me likey.

The hell we are in this year will not be our hell in the future.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

His current contract expires after this year.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

Kwesi appears to be building a foundation now that allows the team to make a serious run in 2024. If his approach to FA continues, a version of the following seems very likely (thanks Spotrac):

2023
- In addition to existing cuts, get rid of Harrison Smith, Dalvin Cook, and Zadarius Smith.
- Extend Hunter ($19m year), Hockenson ($14m year), Jefferson ($32m year)

2024
- The team will be $106m under the cap.

Cousins will affect that number if he's around in 2024, and the team will sign a couple of FA's this year that will affect that number, but that's still a lot of money to spend on free agents in 2024 with little to no dead money on the books.

Cleaning up the books was going to take a couple years.

Me likey.

The hell we are in this year will not be our hell in the future.