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Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 1:38:03 PM)

Trivia: if DePaola, who is around 50 years old, was replaced by a 23 year old Minny would have the 3rd-4th youngest team. Right now they are tied for 11-12th.



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 1:43:05 PM)

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Van Noy is in town today


Sounds good. Well versed with Flores.



TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 1:54:51 PM)

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When you are dredging deep with examples of journeymen. Further proves inability of Kwesi moreso than KOC.

What do you consider Wentz, Darnold, and Kirk. I guess you have to have enough talent to play the position and those three do.

You still miss the point by a country mile. Nobody has tried to bestow a title on KAM like QB Whisperer. A QB Whisperer should be able to get something more out of his QB than other coaches. KOC doesn't. Dobbs and Hall had big arms and big athleticism. Mullens had the big arm. Brosmer was supposed to this ultra fast processor whole got the ball out fast. KOC didn't make any of them any better in any aspect of the game. Dobbs even regressed. Cousins and Wentz were what they always were.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 2:23:38 PM)

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When you are dredging deep with examples of journeymen. Further proves inability of Kwesi moreso than KOC.

What do you consider Wentz, Darnold, and Kirk. I guess you have to have enough talent to play the position and those three do.

You still miss the point by a country mile. Nobody has tried to bestow a title on KAM like QB Whisperer. A QB Whisperer should be able to get something more out of his QB than other coaches. KOC doesn't. Dobbs and Hall had big arms and big athleticism. Mullens had the big arm. Brosmer was supposed to this ultra fast processor whole got the ball out fast. KOC didn't make any of them any better in any aspect of the game. Dobbs even regressed. Cousins and Wentz were what they always were.


Right. If you are a good, classic dropback QB, he won't make you better, but he won't make you worse. You just happen to fit into his system as you are.

But if you don't fit that mold, he will unsuccessfully try to force you into it, instead of altering what he does to fit whatever strengths you may have.

Murray is going to be a big test for him. Will he let Kyler by Kyler, or is he going to try to turn him into Kirk?



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 2:29:03 PM)

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When you are dredging deep with examples of journeymen. Further proves inability of Kwesi moreso than KOC.

What do you consider Wentz, Darnold, and Kirk. I guess you have to have enough talent to play the position and those three do.

You still miss the point by a country mile. Nobody has tried to bestow a title on KAM like QB Whisperer. A QB Whisperer should be able to get something more out of his QB than other coaches. KOC doesn't. Dobbs and Hall had big arms and big athleticism. Mullens had the big arm. Brosmer was supposed to this ultra fast processor whole got the ball out fast. KOC didn't make any of them any better in any aspect of the game. Dobbs even regressed. Cousins and Wentz were what they always were.


The point is who bestowed him that title? According to Grok:

Greg Olsen (Fox Sports NFL analyst and former tight end).

Multiple reports credit Olsen with popularizing the “QB whisperer” (or “quarterback whisperer”) label for Minnesota Vikings head coach Kevin O’Connell (KOC). During a December 2024 Fox broadcast, Olsen said something to the effect of: “If you’re starting a franchise and you need a great coach, play-caller, quarterback whisperer, he might be the guy.”

Yahoo Sports notes that this broadcast comment “introduc[ed] an unofficial title that has stuck for many across the league,” especially after O’Connell’s work with quarterbacks like Sam Darnold.
USA Today and other outlets similarly describe Olsen as one of the first high-profile voices to apply the nickname publicly in that way. The label has since been widely used in media coverage of O’Connell’s coaching.


In my book he never was a QB whisperer....hell he helped win a Super Bowl with Stafford (when he was OC). Just further proves Olsen is an idiot.

KOC teams have overachieved in the regular season and he has to prove he can win in the playoffs after getting there.......develop a run game to convert 3rd and short and dominate when needed. Quit the QB whisperer BS.



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 3:29:51 PM)

Tom Pelissero
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The Vikings are re-signing QB Max Brosmer to the practice squad after he cleared waivers, per source.



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 4:39:31 PM)

Labels aside... KOC is 1-5-2 in developing QBs, but if Darnold is a neutral then KOC's record is 0-5-3.

For this crazy theory, Darnold is more like a fraction, so 0.5-5-2.5

That equates to:

KOC improved: 6%
KOC did shit: 63%
Neutral: 31%



Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 5:11:14 PM)

The only thing I have liked about KOC so far is he is not Zimmer, and he sometimes , ( and it’s actually a far more rare thing than I thought..).. he is not as predictable on playcalling..

His clock management and call challenges are still, after all this time, pathetic.

The fact the his teams have consistently struggled on short yardage conversions into first downs… SSDD..



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 5:21:04 PM)

Once the KOC reign is over expect an authoritarian. Like when the Wilfs hired... Zimmer.

Or when, in The Color Purple, Old Mister said "We need some stability around here, that's for sure."



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 5:47:21 PM)

Brought up the alternating HC personalities way back, granted w/o the descriptions:

Tice (Friendly Fred Flintstone)

Childress (Storm the Shores, like something he literally said in his initial presser)

Frazier (Milquetoast)

Zimmer (Disciplinarian)

O'Connell (Kumbaya)



ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 5:47:58 PM)

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The Vikings are re-signing WR Dillon Bell to the practice squad, per source.



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 6:42:23 PM)

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Alec Lewis@alec_lewis
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The Vikings are re-signing WR Dillon Bell to the practice squad, per source.


So he was not claimed by another team.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 6:51:33 PM)

But when game day arrived, McCarthy apparently told O’Connell that he wasn’t comfortable playing, according to Vikings beat reporter Ben Goessling. It wasn’t the team, after consulting their doctors, saying it wasn’t safe for McCarthy to play - he had been cleared to play - it was McCarthy saying he wasn’t comfortable playing and essentially taking himself out of the game plan. That is a key point.

"It was clear from the people I talked to that it was him not being comfortable playing in the game," Goessling continued. "It was not the team saying, 'No, we don't think you're ready to go.' It was him saying, 'I'm not comfortable doing it.'



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 7:44:11 PM)

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I feel they have offer on the table that they do not want to risk losing.

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J.J. McCarthy won't play for the Vikings tonight in Denver. He suffered a minor ankle injury last weekend vs. Ravens, participated in light practices Monday-Tuesday and sat out Wednesday. Didn't feel comfortable playing tonight, but no concerns from the team long-term.

Per Kevin Seifert


I’ve never wanted someone to be right, so badly.

Just move on. Guy is worse than a china doll

During the game tonight PA said JJ didn't feel like going on the ankle tonight so that is why he didn't dress for the game.....[&o]


Regime: OK J.J., sure it's just preseason but we've got a lot of work planned for you in the game as we go through the development plan.

JJM: I don't feel like it.


Bump



Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 8:28:39 PM)

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But when game day arrived, McCarthy apparently told O’Connell that he wasn’t comfortable playing, according to Vikings beat reporter Ben Goessling. It wasn’t the team, after consulting their doctors, saying it wasn’t safe for McCarthy to play - he had been cleared to play - it was McCarthy saying he wasn’t comfortable playing and essentially taking himself out of the game plan. That is a key point.

"It was clear from the people I talked to that it was him not being comfortable playing in the game," Goessling continued. "It was not the team saying, 'No, we don't think you're ready to go.' It was him saying, 'I'm not comfortable doing it.'



Fn release him..

rip the scab off the gangrene draft and seek help..

For ****s sake..



beo -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/1/2026 10:45:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Pretty interesting stat on FS1 today. Most wins over the past 4 years (KOC's time) and how many QB's have been used:


1. Eagles 50-18 3 qb's
2. Bills 49-18 1 qb
3. Chiefs 46-22 2 qb's
4. Lions 45-23 1 qb
5. Vikes 43-25 8 qb's

[:-]


That is a crazy stat in a couple of ways.
Bills/Lions being able to get 4 years and only play 1 qb (for the most part I assume) is wild.
Winning that much with 8 qbs is pretty wild too.

In hindsight... you know who was a pretty damn good qb whisperator?

Denny Green
10 seasons...
only 1 below .500 !
A cast of characters at qb.

Gannon
McMahon
Moon
Moon
Moon
Johnson
Cunningham
George
Culpepper
Culpepper

(could not field a defense worth a damn that i remember in any of those years)



Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/2/2026 9:59:39 AM)

Van Noy signs that should help the edge depth



ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/2/2026 10:24:52 AM)

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Alec Lewis@alec_lewis
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The Vikings are re-signing WR Dillon Bell to the practice squad, per source.


So he was not claimed by another team.



bell in now listed on our practice squad, as are those two seattle udfa wr's....



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/2/2026 10:44:55 AM)

KSG 🎗️
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Deejay Dallas is a fun one. Could see some run when Aaron Jones’ hamstring has problems for the 1000th time
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Adam Schefter
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Vikings signed QB Max Brosmer, OLB Kyle Van Noy, RB DeeJay Dallas and WR Dillon Bell to their practice squad.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/2/2026 12:50:19 PM)

Van Noy and DC Brian Flores won two Super Bowls together with the Patriots.

Van Noy has played under Brian Flores in New England and Miami, but things didn’t end well in Miami after he was cut one year into a four-year, $51 million contract. But apparently Van Noy and Flores were able to mend fences and will work together again in Minnesota. Van Noy also played with Andrew Van Ginkel in Miami.

Van Noy is 35 but has fared well into his 30s, chalking up 14 sacks among 56 quarterback pressures as recently as 2024. He’s also a solid run defender and when dropping in coverage.



Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/2/2026 2:38:13 PM)

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Van Noy and DC Brian Flores won two Super Bowls together with the Patriots.

Van Noy has played under Brian Flores in New England and Miami, but things didn’t end well in Miami after he was cut one year into a four-year, $51 million contract. But apparently Van Noy and Flores were able to mend fences and will work together again in Minnesota. Van Noy also played with Andrew Van Ginkel in Miami.

Van Noy is 35 but has fared well into his 30s, chalking up 14 sacks among 56 quarterback pressures as recently as 2024. He’s also a solid run defender and when dropping in coverage.

nm



marty -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/2/2026 10:56:27 PM)

It seemed like the Vikings did a better job near the end of last season at sticking with the run, which paid off with wins.

Before that, was it not sticking with the run that produced bad results, or was it more a poor style of run blocking that they were using ? Will the style of zone run blocking they plan to use this year, be more successful, will it encourage KOC to better stick with the run, or will it be to the detriment of win-loss, or a detriment to the Vikings passing game, or a detriment to BOTH ?

Or will it open up the passing game more ?



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/3/2026 7:34:08 AM)

PFF
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Lowest pct of plays being turnover worthy over the last 10 seasons (min. 2000 attempts)

Joe Burrow 2.1%
Tom Brady 2.1%
Justin Herbert 2.1%
Aaron Rodgers 2.3%
Kyler Murray 2.5%
Russell Wilson 2.5%
Patrick Mahomes 2.6%



osure -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/3/2026 10:56:27 AM)

So after reading the posts. We need to get rid of koc and start all over again? If so how are we going to do better next time? Do we have a fire sale like the twins keep doing?



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (9/3/2026 3:35:40 PM)

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So after reading the posts. We need to get rid of koc and start all over again? If so how are we going to do better next time? Do we have a fire sale like the twins keep doing?



Apples and Oranges......Vikings expect a winner just like all the football owners....plus the owners spend.



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