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Lynn G. -> RE:NFL News (11/27/2007 4:52:01 PM)

Did anyone else see the Pittsburgh player intentionally stomp on Ricky Williams last night? They didn't show it much in replays, but it sure looked like he was begging for a big 'ol fine. Right after that, Williams left the game with an injury.




Duane Sampson -> RE:NFL News (11/27/2007 6:10:37 PM)

Anbody hear Jason Taylor's post game interview after the Monday night game? He said, "We didn't play good enough to win. We gave up 20 points." W-T-F?? :lol: :lol: :lol: He said it, man. I couldn't believe it! Dude musta got his bell rung or he was chillin' on some great pain killers. :lol:




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/27/2007 11:01:07 PM)

LYNN I saw that also. That was deliberate intent to injure and he did injure him by stepping on him. I also notice a couple of Patriots DBs "Al Harris" Brian Westbrook so many more player "tackle" like that. TAYLOR What a shame. The more I read about the more it looks like a hit and not a robbery. Too bad I posted this 2001 Hurricanes roster on the STRIB Offense Ken Dorsey Clinton Portis Willis Mcgahee Najeh Davenport Frank Gore Jarret Payton Andre Johnson Daryl King Jason Geathers Roscoe Parrish Jeremy Shockey Kellen Winslow Bryant Mckinnie Joquin Gonzalez Bret Romberg Chris Meyers Sherko Haji Rasouli Defense Vince Wilfork Jerome Mcdougle William Joseph Matt Walters Johnathan Vilma DJ. Williams Chris Carpenter (RIP) Mike Rumph Philip Buchanon Ed Reed Sean Taylor(RIP) Antrel Rolle Kelly Jennings James Lewis




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 2:38:11 AM)

One of the best plays of all time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxseMVwQ3A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gI04sb7fhI




Toby Stumbo -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 2:56:22 AM)

[quote="Todd Mallett"]Wow, are the Steelers ever pretenders this year. Shame I missed what reads like one of the worst MNF game ever.[/quote] The field was terrible Todd, the Steelers were actually in FG range about 15 times but the footing was so horrible they didn't even bother. They finally got their winning FG from the 7 yard line and even that one was a miracle to be completed. The game was actually entertaining to watch. ;)




Easy E -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 4:06:32 AM)

[quote="Toby Stumbo"][quote="Todd Mallett"]Wow, are the Steelers ever pretenders this year. Shame I missed what reads like one of the worst MNF game ever.[/quote] The field was terrible Todd, the Steelers were actually in FG range about 15 times but the footing was so horrible they didn't even bother. They finally got their winning FG from the 7 yard line and even that one was a miracle to be completed. The game was actually entertaining to watch. ;)[/quote] Considering most of the crap games on MNF lately, that was one of the more entertaining ones. The punt that just stuck in the mud was really funny.




Andy Lowe -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 3:23:35 PM)

[quote="John Childress"]LYNN I saw that also. That was deliberate intent to injure and he did injure him by stepping on him. [/quote] You guys' thought that was intentional? I don't know, looked like Timmons leaped over a guy, and when the ball popped out he looked like that kind of changed his direction.




Lynn G. -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 4:06:18 PM)

Andy - I was wishing they would show it again on replay so I could figure out for sure what happened, but they didn't. But last night on PTI, Kornheiser made reference to it as if it was an intentional stomp. Unfortunately he only referred to it - they didn't show it. I can't say for sure.




Lynn G. -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 4:15:33 PM)

They just said on KFAN that Williams was just put on IR as a result of that injury. Shortest comeback of the century.




Andy Lowe -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 4:19:43 PM)

Yep heard that too. When I first saw it (from waist down) I thought maybe it was intentional. But yesterday I saw a replay showing Timmons whole body and the play, and I didn't think he did anything intentional.........but who knows?




Lynn G. -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 4:39:25 PM)

I just looked at YouTube to see if anyone had that up yet, but I'm not seeing it.




Cheesehead Craig -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 5:27:47 PM)

It's on the NFL.com videos section, the fumble and step happen at about the 55 second mark of the game recap. To me it looks like #94 Timmons for Pittsburgh coming from the bottom on the screen, is running and an OL falls down in front of him. He thinks he has to jump over him, but then realizes he doesn't need to and does a half-assed jump. Then he realizes he is about to come down on his own player and tries to avoid that and steps on Williams. It was a poor play by the rookie, but I don't see anything malicious here.




Lynn G. -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 5:50:38 PM)

Thanks Craig. The play we're talking about is the first of the 2nd quarter highlights. It looks worse in the slo-mo close up, but I agree that at game speed he doesn't look like he's aiming for Williams' shoulder. It's a shame that Williams is out for the season because of that play.




Duane Sampson -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 6:30:23 PM)

Dying Young, Black By Michael Wilbon Wednesday, November 28, 2007; Page E01 If you're hoping to read about the on-field exploits of Sean Taylor, or a retrospective of his time with the Washington Redskins, it would probably be better if you cast your eyes to a piece elsewhere in this newspaper. Seriously, you should stop right here. Because we're going to have a different conversation in this space -- about the violent and senseless nature of the act that took his life, about trying to change course when those around you might not embrace such a change, about dying young and black in America, about getting the hell out of Dodge if at all possible. I wasn't surprised in the least when I heard the news Monday morning that Sean Taylor had been shot in his home by an intruder. Angry? Yes. Surprised? Not even a little. It was only in June 2006 that Taylor, originally charged with a felony, pleaded no contest to assault and battery charges after brandishing a gun during a battle over who took his all-terrain vehicles in Florida. After that, an angry crew pulled up on Taylor and his boys and pumped at least 15 bullets into his sport-utility vehicle. So why would anybody be surprised? Had it been Shawn Springs, I would have been stunned. But not Sean Taylor. It wasn't long after avoiding jail time and holding on to his football career that Taylor essentially said, "That's it, I'm out," to the world of glamorized violence he seemed comfortable negotiating earlier. Anybody you talk to, from Coach Joe Gibbs to Jeremy Shockey, his college teammate, will cite chapter and verse as to how Taylor was changing his life in obvious ways every day. He had a daughter he took everywhere. Gibbs said he attended team chapel services regularly. Everybody saw a difference, yet it didn't help him avoid a violent, fatal, tragic end. Coincidence? We have no idea, not yet anyway. Could have been a random act, a break-in, something that happens every day in America, something that could happen to any one of us no matter how safe we think our neighborhood is. Could have been just that. But would it surprise me if it was more than that, if there was a distinct reason Taylor was sleeping with a machete under his bed? A machete. Even though his attorney and friend Richard Sharpstein says his instincts tell him "this was not a murder or a hit," would it stun me if Taylor was specifically targeted? Not one bit. You see, just because Taylor was changing his life, don't assume the people who pumped 15 bullets into his SUV a couple of years ago were in the process of changing theirs. Maybe it was them, maybe not. Maybe it was somebody else who had a beef with Taylor a year earlier, maybe not. Maybe it was retribution or envy or some volatile combination. Here's something we know: People close to Taylor, people he trusted to advise him, told him he'd be better off if he left South Florida, that anybody looking for him could find him in the suburbs of Miami just as easily as they could have found him at the U a few years ago. I'm told that Taylor was told to go north, to forget about Miami. I can understand why he would want to have a spot in or near his home town, but I sure wish he hadn't. The issue of separating yourself from a harmful environment is a recurring theme in the life of black men. It has nothing to do with football, or Sean Taylor or even sports. To frame it as a sports issue is as insulting as it is naive. Most of us, perhaps even the great majority of us who grew up in big urban communities, have to make a decision at some point to hang out or get out. The kid who becomes a pharmaceutical rep has the same call to make as the lawyer or delivery guy or accountant or sportswriter or football player: Cut off anybody who might do harm, even those who have been friends from the sandbox, or go along to get along. Mainstream folks -- and, yes, this is a code word for white folks -- see high-profile athletes dealing with this dilemma and think it's specific to them, while black folks know it's everyday stuff for everybody, for kids with aspirations of all kinds -- even for a middle-class kid with a police-chief father, such as Taylor -- from South Central to Southeast to the South Side. Some do, some don't. Some will, some won't. Some can, some cannot. Often it's gut-wrenching. Usually, it's necessary. For some, it takes a little bit too long. A recently retired future Hall of Fame NFL player called me the day Taylor was drafted by the Redskins, essentially recruiting a mentor for Taylor, somebody who knew D.C. well enough to tell Taylor what and who to avoid. The old pro thought Taylor wasn't that far from a pretty safe path but was worried about the trouble that can find a kid here in D.C., and certainly in Miami. The old pro had all the right instincts, didn't he? Taylor was only 24 when he died yesterday morning and from all credible accounts he seemed to be getting it in the last 18 months or so. But it's difficult to outrun the past, even with 4.4 speed in the 40. Running away from the kind of trouble we're talking about is harder than running in quicksand. It's senseless and tragic either way, much in the same way Len Bias's death was senseless and tragic, and sparked so much examination, much of it resented. I drove to Redskins Park yesterday morning and left rather quickly. It was way too much like the aftermath of Bias's death. We, the media, were camped out. Teammates walked in, not wanting to say anything, understandably. Some things are eerily similar. Bias was 22. Each had been with his institution, Bias at Maryland and Taylor with the Redskins, for four years. Everywhere you went in D.C. yesterday, Taylor was the conversation. And people of a certain age, from Dulles International Airport to Georgia Avenue, talked about how they were reminded of Bias's death. For many of us it's a defining moment in our lives. Of course, there are enormous differences. We were so much more innocent in June 1986, and Bias's death was a complete shock. There was no warning, no hint that he had ever courted danger or that it had ever gone looking for him. And Bias, though unintentionally, harmed himself. Taylor, no matter what he might have been involved in at one time, was a victim in this violent episode, a man in his bedroom minding his own business. But what they do share is dying too soon, unnecessarily so, while young and athletic, seemingly on top of the world. Though we're likely to struggle in great frustration to understand the circumstances of how Taylor left so soon, how dare we not put forth an honest if sometimes uncomfortable effort to examine his life in some greater context than football.




Todd M -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 6:56:21 PM)

Question about the Sean Taylor shooting. Was he not allowed to carry or house a gun because of any priors? Seems it might have turned out differently if he grabbed a gun instead of a machete.




Lynn G. -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 6:59:52 PM)

Possibly Todd, but I once did a research paper on the topic, and the percentage of gun owners who are actually able to successfully use them to defend themselves in the case of home invasions is really, really small. There just usually isn't enough warning for them to get to the gun to use in self defense. It kind of breaks the biggest argument that people use for wanting to own a handgun.




Guest -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 7:06:24 PM)

I am not gonna comment on this. Cynicism does nothing but get me in trouble. My opinion is worthless.




Jeff Jesser -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 7:13:11 PM)

I hope Wilbon used the wrong word because "suprised" leaves a lot to be desired. I don't give a rats ass who we are talking about. It should "Surprise" everyone in the world to hear that a person is shot dead IN THEIR HOME at 1:45 AM when they are sleeping peacefully with their family. If he got shot outside of some random Miami nightclub that would be different, but come on. The guy was exactly where he was supposed to be. To say some BS like "it doesn't surprise me one bit to here it was Sean Taylor" is taking an unneeded shot (no pun intended) at someone's character. Wilbon seems like a smart guy. He should know better.




Jeff Jesser -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 7:18:24 PM)

The machete vs gun thing is very interesting. Think about these things: A. If you aren't in immediate danger why keep a machete under your bed? B. Why a machete to begin with? That's a very random protection device that carries a pretty big stigma C. If he felt that way why didn't he just have a gun like Todd asks? D. If he couldn't because of his past couldn't they register it in the GF's name? E. Why stay in a house that was broken in to recently and lie in a bed that a knife was left sitting on top of? That seems very Corleone to me. Some sort of evil chin music if you will. There's a lot of weird circumstances surrounding this whole thing. I wonder if we'll ever know the truth. Another thing to ponder...why did rescue arrive about 9 minutes after the call but the cops didn't show up for 45? I've heard many experts say they should get there at about the exact same time distance permitting. 9 vs 45 is a huge discrepancy.




Todd M -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 7:31:08 PM)

Interesting points Jeff. I was also wondering why there wasn't some alarm system to be triggered. No alarm system, no gun, no dog, just a machete. If you've never been exposed to violence you may go to bed w/o setting an alarm system or maybe not even have one. But when you were hit 10 days earlier???




El Duderino -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 7:39:53 PM)

A few things that jump out at me: a) During the previous break-in, nothing was taken. b) However, a knife was left ON THE BED. c) He was shot in the crotch, more or less. Now, this is pure speculation on my part, but this sounds a bit like he had an affair with a crazy woman who decided to stalk him. I am probably way off base about that, but that's what leaps to mind.




Jim Frenette -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 7:44:35 PM)

[quote="Jeff Jesser"]I hope Wilbon used the wrong word because "suprised" leaves a lot to be desired. I don't give a rats ass who we are talking about. It should "Surprise" everyone in the world to hear that a person is shot dead IN THEIR HOME at 1:45 AM when they are sleeping peacefully with their family. If he got shot outside of some random Miami nightclub that would be different, but come on. The guy was exactly where he was supposed to be. To say some BS like "it doesn't surprise me one bit to here it was Sean Taylor" is taking an unneeded shot (no pun intended) at someone's character. Wilbon seems like a smart guy. He should know better.[/quote] I think there was some kind of vendetta against him. He first had is ATV's stolen and driven around as if didn't matter if anyone saw them. Those same guys were the ones that turned him in on the gun charge. Then the earlier break in. Now if they really went there to kill him, I think they would have pumped more bullets into him. I wonder if his girl friend can recognize the shooter? BTW, she is the neice of Andy Garcia the actor.




Todd M -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 7:53:45 PM)

[quote="El Duderino"]A few things that jump out at me: a) During the previous break-in, nothing was taken. b) However, a knife was left ON THE BED. c) He was shot in the crotch, more or less. Now, this is pure speculation on my part, but this sounds a bit like he had an affair with a crazy woman who decided to stalk him. I am probably way off base about that, but that's what leaps to mind.[/quote] It sounds like something Dude. I'm sure most of you guys have been watching football longer than I have so have any of you seen a more scandalous year in the NFL. I bet the NFL wants to move away from this ASAP. B & E, tragic ending, move on.




Jeff Jesser -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 8:15:30 PM)

[quote="Jim Frenette"][quote="Jeff Jesser"]I hope Wilbon used the wrong word because "suprised" leaves a lot to be desired. I don't give a rats ass who we are talking about. It should "Surprise" everyone in the world to hear that a person is shot dead IN THEIR HOME at 1:45 AM when they are sleeping peacefully with their family. If he got shot outside of some random Miami nightclub that would be different, but come on. The guy was exactly where he was supposed to be. To say some BS like "it doesn't surprise me one bit to here it was Sean Taylor" is taking an unneeded shot (no pun intended) at someone's character. Wilbon seems like a smart guy. He should know better.[/quote] I think there was some kind of vendetta against him. He first had is ATV's stolen and driven around as if didn't matter if anyone saw them. Those same guys were the ones that turned him in on the gun charge. Then the earlier break in. Now if they really went there to kill him, I think they would have pumped more bullets into him. I wonder if his girl friend can recognize the shooter? BTW, she is the neice of Andy Garcia the actor.[/quote] She was hiding under the covers and didn't see anything. I can't say I blame here one bit because it was probably scary as hell but that's completely crappy. The one person who could help sort the thing out didn't see squat.




Jeff Jesser -> RE:NFL News (11/28/2007 8:17:15 PM)

[quote="Todd Mallett"][quote="El Duderino"]A few things that jump out at me: a) During the previous break-in, nothing was taken. b) However, a knife was left ON THE BED. c) He was shot in the crotch, more or less. Now, this is pure speculation on my part, but this sounds a bit like he had an affair with a crazy woman who decided to stalk him. I am probably way off base about that, but that's what leaps to mind.[/quote] It sounds like something Dude. I'm sure most of you guys have been watching football longer than I have so have any of you seen a more scandalous year in the NFL. I bet the NFL wants to move away from this ASAP. B & E, tragic ending, move on.[/quote] There's also blind speculation running about that he accidentally shot himself. "Experts" are saying that wound is very common when someone has a gun in their pocket and it goes off.




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