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John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/30/2007 2:33:25 AM)

[quote="Andy Lowe"][quote="Trekgeekscott"]Do you realize how many African Americans are now calling Whitlock an "Uncle Tom" because of this article? Though I agree with a lot of what he said...[/quote] Probably so, Cosby has been dealing with that for years.[/quote] Again, you guys need to stop listening to the media hype and examine the situation yourself. Cosby is here and I have participated in several of his events and they are no better than Jesse or Al. Here is why 1. Cosby offers up plattitudes and no real solutions or details. He goes around saying stuff like "read more" or "be a father to your children" well DUH! No, they need to know HOW they can do that - with specifics. Specifically, how can a man take his place at the head of the house (or equal provider if you like) when he doesn't have an education and/or a job. 2. No one likes to hear a 100% negative message - true or not. Martin and Malcolm were great because while they would point out where we doing wrong they would also instill pride and uplift the people. 3. The young people don't relate to him. If he wanted to really reach them he should be touring with Jay Z or someone. Cosby is 2 generations beyond them. He doesn't know the hood. It has been decades since he was in the hood. 4. Credibility - Coz is alleged to have drugged a White female Temple professor and assaulted her. Several other women also have claimed that. I am not saying he is guilty but it is hard for some people to take his "personal responsibility" message seriously when he may have harmed so many women. The overall problem with what many people hear and are believing is that they base their thoughts on a biased media which loves to pain Blacks in bad light. Why else would they keep holding up Jackson and Sharpton as though they are still leaders?




Guest -> RE:NFL News (11/30/2007 6:59:25 AM)

Again more situations where my white cracker opinion does not contribute anything, Therefore: no comment. When you get banned for pissing people off and are told to STFU by friends.. things change.




Trekgeekscott -> RE:NFL News (11/30/2007 4:45:18 PM)

[quote="John Childress"][quote="Andy Lowe"][quote="Trekgeekscott"]Do you realize how many African Americans are now calling Whitlock an "Uncle Tom" because of this article? Though I agree with a lot of what he said...[/quote] Probably so, Cosby has been dealing with that for years.[/quote] Again, you guys need to stop listening to the media hype and examine the situation yourself. Cosby is here and I have participated in several of his events and they are no better than Jesse or Al. Here is why 1. Cosby offers up plattitudes and no real solutions or details. He goes around saying stuff like "read more" or "be a father to your children" well DUH! No, they need to know HOW they can do that - with specifics. Specifically, how can a man take his place at the head of the house (or equal provider if you like) when he doesn't have an education and/or a job. 2. No one likes to hear a 100% negative message - true or not. Martin and Malcolm were great because while they would point out where we doing wrong they would also instill pride and uplift the people. 3. The young people don't relate to him. If he wanted to really reach them he should be touring with Jay Z or someone. Cosby is 2 generations beyond them. He doesn't know the hood. It has been decades since he was in the hood. 4. Credibility - Coz is alleged to have drugged a White female Temple professor and assaulted her. Several other women also have claimed that. I am not saying he is guilty but it is hard for some people to take his "personal responsibility" message seriously when he may have harmed so many women. The overall problem with what many people hear and are believing is that they base their thoughts on a biased media which loves to pain Blacks in bad light. Why else would they keep holding up Jackson and Sharpton as though they are still leaders?[/quote] I would like to comment that I was only responding to Jason Whitlock's article and made no mention or reference to Bill Cosby. You make very valid points on Cosby.




Andy Lowe -> RE:NFL News (11/30/2007 5:16:05 PM)

Great article on Bo Jackon on ESPN today. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=bojackson




Duane Sampson -> RE:NFL News (11/30/2007 6:05:53 PM)

Just the Facts: NFL Stats and Trends By Ed Thompson NFL Writer, Scout.com Posted Nov 30, 2007 Plaxico Burress on the verge of setting a personal best ... Who's the most dangerous red zone receiver this year? ... An unusual struggle for talented running back Maurice Jones Drew ... Who's benefiting from fumbles this year, and who's not? ... All this and more in today's edition of Just the Facts. · New York Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress is one touchdown catch away from matching his career-high of ten touchdown catches in a single season that he achieved last year. But he's taken an interesting path to get there this season. After jumping out to a quick start, catching eight in his first six games, he finally got his ninth last week against the Vikings after being shutout of the end zone for four consecutive games. When the Giants head to Chicago this weekend, the Bears should be wary of Burress anytime he heads for the middle of the field. While he's averaging roughly 14 yards per catch in most areas of the field, he's snagged half a dozen passes in the middle for an average of 28 yards per catch, including a 60-yard strike and two of his touchdown catches. · Speaking of the Bears, it's no surprise that Chicago's Devin Hester has more punt returns of 20-plus yards — including three for touchdowns — than any other NFL player this year. During those nine long returns, he's averaged 45.7 yards. Seattle's Nate Burleson, who will test the Eagles' coverage teams in Philadelphia this Sunday, is the current runner-up in that category with six returns of 20-plus yards, including one for a touchdown. Buffalo's Roscoe Parrish is right on his heels with five, including one touchdown. Parrish and the Bills head to Washington to play in an early game on Sunday. · Can you guess who's the most dangerous receiver in the red zone so far this season? Well, you make the call. New England Patriots wide receiver Wes Welker has more receptions in the red zone than any other NFL player with 15 catches, including six for touchdowns. But teammate Randy Moss has caught a league-leading nine red zone touchdowns out of his 13 catches. The Patriots duo will try their luck against the Ravens defense Monday night in Baltimore. New Orleans' Marques Colston and Cincinnati's T.J. Houshmandzadeh are currently tied as the third-hottest receivers in the red zone with 12 catches each. Colston has six red-zone touchdown catches while Houshmandzadeh, who will be facing the Pittsburgh Steelers this weekend, has seven. On third down, no one has had more rushing opportunities this season to move the chains for his team than second-year back Maurice Jones-Drew of the Jacksonville Jaguars. But the little big-man has only converted 10 of his 30 chances into first downs. His 33.3-percent success rate is the lowest by any rusher who's taken at least 20 shots at rushing in that situation. Ironically, Jones-Drew squares off this Sunday with the running back who is at the other end of the spectrum. Joseph Addai has given the Indianapolis Colts a new set of downs on third-down runs 59.1 percent of the time this year, converting 13 out of 22 attempts. · When the New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers go head-to-head this Sunday in an important NFC South matchup, be prepared for a dink-and-dunk fest if Tampa Bay's usual starting quarterback — Jeff Garcia, who's trying to rebound from a back injury — goes up against Saints signal-caller Drew Brees. Both quarterbacks are in the top three in pass distribution percent to their running backs. Garcia is the leader, throwing 30.5 percent of his passes to his backfield mates. Brees is tied with Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb at 29.4 percent. · Sometimes the ball bounces your way and sometimes it doesn't. The Detroit Lions currently lead the league in fumble recoveries with 16, four more than any other team in the NFL. Six teams are tied for second-most recoveries with 12, including Carolina, Chicago, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, San Diego and Tampa Bay. But in addition to struggling for wins at 2–9, the New York Jets have only been able to get their hands on three loose balls all year. The league median is currently nine recoveries out of 17 opportunities. But a big part of the problem is that the Jets have only managed to knock the ball out of their opponents' hands eight times during their first 11 games. The Miami Dolphins and Oakland Raiders aren't faring much better, with just four recoveries each. Ed Thompson's player interviews and NFL features are published across the Scout.com network and are syndicated through FOXSports.com.




Guest -> RE:NFL News (11/30/2007 6:15:37 PM)

[quote="Andy Lowe"]Great article on Bo Jackon on ESPN today. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=bojackson[/quote] Another good article Andy! Bo knows parenting!




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/30/2007 6:22:38 PM)

After jumping out to a quick start, catching eight in his first six games, he finally got his ninth last week against the Vikings after being shutout of the end zone for four consecutive games What they don't mention is that he was playing on 1 leg those weeks. When Burress isn't healthy Eli looks like crap




Trekgeekscott -> RE:NFL News (11/30/2007 6:32:09 PM)

[quote="John Childress"]After jumping out to a quick start, catching eight in his first six games, he finally got his ninth last week against the Vikings after being shutout of the end zone for four consecutive games What they don't mention is that he was playing on 1 leg those weeks. When Burress isn't healthy Eli looks like crap[/quote] And what they failed to mention was that he caught that TD against the Vikes in GARBAGE time.




Andy Lowe -> RE:NFL News (12/1/2007 10:02:16 PM)

Looks like Taylor wasn't a random burglary, at least one guy had been to his house for a party, and one (maybe the same guy) did some work around his house. Just so tragic, the more I read about Taylor the more furious I get over this. He had done so well for himself, and made such an effort to get it right........and he get's this in return.




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (12/1/2007 10:05:38 PM)

OTOH, so many people speculated that it was some of his old gang friends that wouldn't let him leave and they were dead wrong. In fact, Taylor's past had nothing to do with his murder - just the fact that we was rich and famous.




Ian Joseph -> RE:NFL News (12/2/2007 7:17:33 PM)

[quote="Andy Lowe"]Looks like Taylor wasn't a random burglary, at least one guy had been to his house for a party, and one (maybe the same guy) did some work around his house. Just so tragic, the more I read about Taylor the more furious I get over this. He had done so well for himself, and made such an effort to get it right........and he get's this in return.[/quote] Just watched the ESPN pre-game piece on Sean Taylor. I aint no punk, but that got to me. There's no crying in football. :lol: :oops:




Jim Frenette -> RE:NFL News (12/2/2007 7:59:59 PM)

Just heard on FOX that the skins in honor of Taylor, will send out only 10 players for their first defensive play. I'll look to see if Buffalo follows suit and try just taking a knee or QB sneak. Nice thought on the Skins side.




El Duderino -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 12:13:53 AM)

So, I have to say I really like the Jet's alternate/throwback unis: [img]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/12/02/sports/03jets.600.jpg[/img]




Toby Stumbo -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 3:07:50 AM)

Kinda looks like they could be the Chargers.




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 4:25:36 AM)

Every time John Thornton makes a tackle I keep remembering that poster who posted 100 times "Thornton in the middle"




So.Mn.Fan -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 1:59:09 PM)

Jeez, the Bengals are bad. I'll admit it, they had me convinced 2 years ago that they were the next great team in the league. Carson Palmer has all but disappeared off the NFL landscape. Ditto Marvin Lewis. He was everyone's flavor-of-the-month for awhile. Did that one nasty roll-up on Palmers leg cause the whole collapse? They are currently 4-8 and going nowhere. Maybe discipline IS important? :shrug:




Andy Lowe -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 2:22:15 PM)

[quote="So.Mn.Fan"]Jeez, the Bengals are bad. I'll admit it, they had me convinced 2 years ago that they were the next great team in the league. Carson Palmer has all but disappeared off the NFL landscape. Ditto Marvin Lewis. He was everyone's flavor-of-the-month for awhile. Did that one nasty roll-up on Palmers leg cause the whole collapse? They are currently 4-8 and going nowhere. Maybe discipline IS important? :shrug:[/quote] Scott, as a someone who follows the Bengals loosely (probably the only other team I care about seeing do well), I do think there is a good chance Chad Johnson will not be in a Bengal uniform next year. Personally, IMO I would not give up a 1st rounder for him. He's a very good receiver, but I don't think he's dominant, and he sulks too much for my liking. He wants to be in TO and Randy's class, but he just doesn't have their freakish physical skills. He will drop some easy passes too. If Marvin Lewis is still there next year, I think he's gone. He's embarrased Marvin too much to bring him back. I think Chris Henry actually has more skill, and TJ is a hell of a receiver. I've said all year that Carson Palmer has regressed and he's not in that elite QB talk anymore. Now, I do think part of the problem is Cincy has no running game and their defensive has been horrible, so the offense has constantly been put in bad positions. I think Palmer will get it back, just going through one of those periods right now.




So.Mn.Fan -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 2:33:45 PM)

Thanks for the info, Andy. I have lost touch with them, appreciate the insight. Sounds like some big changes may be in store there. Might as well, the ship is headed nowhere at this point.




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 3:26:17 PM)

What Carson Palmer shows you is that no QB is great without a great supporting cast. Look at Manning when Clark was out (along with Harrison).




Trekgeekscott -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 5:25:53 PM)

OK, time for my take on Vikes vs Lions (and no, I wont be doing a whole bunch of "wows") 1. Wow! Just kidding 2. Adrian looked amazing!!! and that was on a bad knee? He cut on that knee for his first TD (what vision!!!), and faked Kenoy Kennedy out of his shoes on the second. I was worried until he got the 28 yard carry. 3. If Aundrae Allison isn't active for every game the rest of the way, Childress is a total idiot. That catch and run was beautiful and the kickoff return...perfect. This guy is a solid receiver waiting to happen. Either Ferguson or Williamson needs to be deactivated the rest of the way...Allison needs to play! 4. Childress has had good game plans the past three straight games. Is there hope for him yet? 5. Troy who? Keep him inactive. The Vikes are actually better in the passing game without him. 6. Tavaris Jackson, Three Straight weeks of showing improvement. Only the one bad pass (and he laid a lick on the guy who intercepted it too). Over 200 yards passing, 2 TDs, running effectively for 1st downs...Looks like the light is coming on...still has a way to go (has to show he can consistantly do this), but he certainly is moving in the right direction. If he continues this slow progress toward improvement...the Vikes may not take an interest in veteran QBs in the offseason. Or at least they wont give up a high draft pick for one. 7. It tells you a good story when through most of the game the Lions didn't even try to run the ball. Their game plan was to attack our pass defense. But that allowed the Vikes to tee off and go after the QB. Bad gameplan by Marinelli and the Offensive "genius" Martz. 8. Rookies scored 4 of our TDs. Sidney Rice, Allison and of course AD. This was a good draft folks! Heck one of our lower draft picks (Tyler Thigpen) even got to play a bit yesterday. 9. Now let's continue this dominating play against the 49ers. No trap games people. We can and should beat these guys. Keep your focus on them and only them. Take care of business. God I love winning!




Mr. Ed -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 6:51:41 PM)

Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers to perform at Super Bowl Halftime. They're really struggling to have anything decent. Sadly, I'm "old" school, and could care less if they had someone performing at these games later in the season into the postseason. BORING!! (yes the wardrobe malfunction was a blip...these shows are blah)




Cheesehead Craig -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 7:08:35 PM)

[quote="Mr. Ed"]Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers to perform at Super Bowl Halftime.[/quote] Worst. Halftime. Ever.




Toby Stumbo -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 7:08:53 PM)

I like Tom Petty! :buttrock:




Lynn G. -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 7:24:26 PM)

Oh my goodness - I could think of about 800 entertainers that would be worse than Tom Petty. Starting with most of the young-and-drunk crowd (i.e. Brittany Spears and her ilk) and all the way through the aged Tom Jones types.




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (12/3/2007 7:26:23 PM)

[quote="Cheesehead Craig"][quote="Mr. Ed"]Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers to perform at Super Bowl Halftime.[/quote] Worst. Halftime. Ever.[/quote] Brutal I would rather no show than some of the lame acts that they are bringing out. However, there is a fundamental problem they have - actually there are several - in picking the entertainment. JANET JACKSON BACKLASH - they want to stay with someone who they can trust HIP HOP - like it or not most urban kids listen to hip hop or flash-in-the-pan Top 40 artists. Neither of them put on a good show in most cases.




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