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Duane Sampson -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 10:30:39 AM)

Shockey Expendable for a 2nd-Rounder?
Wed Feb 13, 2008

 The Nashville City Paper reports a report from SI.com says the Super Bowl champion New York Giants would require a second-round pick in exchange for TE Jeremy Shockey, who apparently is expendable after the Giants' offense jelled once he went down with a broken leg.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 10:33:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Duane Sampson

Shockey Expendable for a 2nd-Rounder?
Wed Feb 13, 2008

 
The Nashville City Paper reports a report from SI.com says the Super Bowl champion New York Giants would require a second-round pick in exchange for TE Jeremy Shockey, who apparently is expendable after the Giants' offense jelled once he went down with a broken leg.




Yet another malcontent that Chili will likely avoid like the plague.




Duane Sampson -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 10:47:19 AM)

Seems like a bargain for a 2nd pick. I can't see any 2nd rounder helping us immediately like Shockey would.




Lynn G. -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 12:24:51 PM)

I can just hear Shiancoe:

"Shit, I'm going to back up Shockey again!"




Toby Stumbo -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 12:27:26 PM)

Such language Lynn?  [8D]

I wouldn't want Shockey personally.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 12:29:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Duane Sampson

Seems like a bargain for a 2nd pick. I can't see any 2nd rounder helping us immediately like Shockey would.


Yes, but the image that Shockey puts out is not one of a good teammate.  He is a malcontent.  I would love his talent on the Vikings.  But I have a feeling that Childress will avoid him like he would TO.




Lynn G. -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 12:33:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Toby Stumbo

Such language Lynn?  [8D]

I wouldn't want Shockey personally.


I meant to write:

"Dangnabbit, I have to back up Shockey again!"

And I agree, Shockey has always acted like a piece of dangnabbit.  It's very telling that the team got better when he was out with an injury.




So.Mn.Fan -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 1:03:37 PM)

Someone's gonna get a hell of a player with a lot to prove.
Think he hasn't been stewing about the whole situation?
Let's see, my team got better when I went out?
I'd take him in a heartbeat. Motivated players are high on my list.
A team loaded with Eagle Scouts may be able to whip up a dandy little campfire, but they won't win you any football games.
Lighten up, Francis (aka, Brad Childress) [>:] 




Trekgeekscott -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 1:06:07 PM)

All it takes is one volitile malcontent to ruin a season for a team...  Just look at the Eagles with the TO mess.  Which is why I believe Chilly will avoid most malcontents.  He knows the potential harm to a team.




Lynn G. -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 1:13:24 PM)

It's true that sometimes you get a former malcontent who now has something to prove, and you get lucky to be the team that benefits.

And sometimes you get a former malcontent who doesn't know how to behave any other way and quickly alienates all of his current teammates in the same way as he did his former teammates.

Bottom line is that it's a crapshoot.  When you get lucky, you pat yourself on the back for rolling the dice the right way - but the risks are awfully high.

Of course it would be great to have a team full of high character pro-bowlers, but we all know it isn't going to happen.  So we have to depend on the people who have access to the players themselves, their coaches, their teammates, the front office of another team, etc. to actually do their due diligence and find the diamond in the rough, not the coal.




Duane Sampson -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 1:21:33 PM)

I think we could use an attitude on offense. TJack needs a go to veteran. Our check down offense should get Shockey 150 catches, he'd be happy.




thebigo -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 3:18:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Duane Sampson

Seems like a bargain for a 2nd pick. I can't see any 2nd rounder helping us immediately like Shockey would.


27, coming off a broken leg, malcontent. 3rd rounder tops.




David Levine -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 4:45:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Duane Sampson

I think we could use an attitude on offense. TJack needs a go to veteran. Our check down offense should get Shockey 150 catches, he'd be happy.


Unfortunately, he'd only run the full route or bother to turn his head on 120 of the attempts.




Todd M -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 6:08:11 PM)

Bills can't afford to stay in Buffalo

Pro Football weekly:

Buffalo Sabres owner Tom Golisano quelled a lot of fears in Buffalo recently when he insinuated he would buy the Bills franchise and keep it in Buffalo whenever owner Ralph Wilson, 89, dies. For years there has been speculation that the Bills will be moved from small-market Buffalo upon Wilson's death, and the recent announcement that the team will be playing eight games in Toronto over the next five years has only added to the fire. But the way we hear it, Golisano's words carry little substance. “It's a bunch of hot air,” one Bills insider told PFW. “He's an owner who's been MIA with his own team (the Sabres). He just said that to score points in western New York.” According to the source, it's a foregone conclusion the Bills will move out of Buffalo upon Wilson's death, and Toronto is the overwhelming favorite to be their new home. It's not difficult to see why Buffalo is not a suitable home for an NFL franchise. Despite one of the league's most passionate fan bases — the Bills have sold out every game in three of the past five seasons, despite failing to make a single postseason appearance during that span — Buffalo's sagging economy has mandated the average ticket price rest at a reported $51.24, even following a recently announced price increase for 2008. The leaguewide average ticket price is $67. Only the Jaguars rival the Bills for such a low ticket cost. By comparison, tickets to see the Bills in Toronto's Rogers Centre are being sold at an average of $250 (Canadian).


I thought the Sabres had the #1 rated professional sports franchise how absent can that owner be?


Not thrilled that it will be 4X more expensive on average to see the Vikes play (if they hit Toronto).


Probably wouldn't go to see many other games if the price didn't go down.












Lynn G. -> RE: NFL News (2/13/2008 6:17:59 PM)

Speaking of ticket prices, I got my invoice today for my season tickets and the total went up $50.00. It doesn't seem like much because it only amounts to about $6.25 per game, but my total bill just went from $950.00 to $1000.00.  Psychologically it's tough to make that leap to a thousand dollars for football tickets.

I must be crazy!




John Childress -> RE: NFL News (2/14/2008 6:01:13 AM)

quote:


Belichick Was Taping Since 2000
LAURIE KELLMAN
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.
Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes.

"There were a great many questions answered by Commissioner Goodell," Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters after the meeting. "I found a lot of questions unanswerable because of the tapes and notes had been destroyed."
Goodell said Belichick told him he believed the taping was legal; Goodell said he did not concur.

"He said that's always been his interpretation since he's been the head coach," the commissioner said. "We are going to agree to disagree on the facts."
Specter, from Pennsylvania, wants to talk to other league officials about what exactly was taped and which games may have been compromised.
"We have a right to have honest football games," he said.

Goodell noted that "we were the ones that disclosed" the Patriots' illegal taping of the New York Jets' defensive signals in Week 1 of last season. Further, Goodell said, they had an admission by Belichick.

"I have nothing to hide," Goodell said.
Goodell also told Specter that that he doesn't regret destroying the Spygate tapes or the notes.
"I think it was the right thing to do," Goodell said.

Still, Specter wants to know why penalties were imposed on Belichick before the full extent of the wrongdoing was known and the tapes destroyed in a two-week span. Asked if he thinks there was a coverup, Specter demurred.
"There was an enormous amount of haste," Specter said.

He scoffed at the reasons Goodell gave for destroying the tapes and notes, particularly about trying to keep them out of competitors' hands and because Belichick had admitted to the taping.

"What's that got to do with it? There's an admission of guilt, you preserve the evidence," Specter said. As for keeping the tapes out of the hands of others: "All you have to do is lock up the tapes."

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team was fined $250,000 because of the Spygate incident. The Patriots also forfeited a first-round draft pick.
Specter has questioned the quality of the NFL's investigation into the matter and raised the possibility of congressional hearings if he wasn't satisfied with Goodell's answers. Specter also raised the threat of Congress canceling the league's antitrust exemption and reiterated that in the meeting with Goodell.

Goodell also said he has not heard from Matt Walsh, the former Patriots employee who performed some videotaping duties for the team.
Walsh told The Associated Press last week during the Pro Bowl in Hawaii that he couldn't talk about allegations that he taped a walkthrough practice by the St. Louis Rams before the 2002 Super Bowl. New England, a two-touchdown underdog, won that game 20-17.
Goodell said he has offered Walsh a deal whereby "he has to tell the truth and he has to return anything he took improperly" in return for indemnity. Specter said he, too, wanted to talk to Walsh and perhaps offer a different deal.

Goodell also said he reserves the right to reopen the investigation if more information is uncovered.




Easy E -> RE: NFL News (2/14/2008 9:18:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Speaking of ticket prices, I got my invoice today for my season tickets and the total went up $50.00. It doesn't seem like much because it only amounts to about $6.25 per game, but my total bill just went from $950.00 to $1000.00.  Psychologically it's tough to make that leap to a thousand dollars for football tickets.

I must be crazy!


Imagine how much they'll bump it if they actually ever get into the playoff!!




Easy E -> RE: NFL News (2/14/2008 9:26:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: John Childress

quote:


Belichick Was Taping Since 2000
LAURIE KELLMAN
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.
Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes.

"There were a great many questions answered by Commissioner Goodell," Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters after the meeting. "I found a lot of questions unanswerable because of the tapes and notes had been destroyed."
Goodell said Belichick told him he believed the taping was legal; Goodell said he did not concur.

"He said that's always been his interpretation since he's been the head coach," the commissioner said. "We are going to agree to disagree on the facts."
Specter, from Pennsylvania, wants to talk to other league officials about what exactly was taped and which games may have been compromised.
"We have a right to have honest football games," he said.

Goodell noted that "we were the ones that disclosed" the Patriots' illegal taping of the New York Jets' defensive signals in Week 1 of last season. Further, Goodell said, they had an admission by Belichick.

"I have nothing to hide," Goodell said.
Goodell also told Specter that that he doesn't regret destroying the Spygate tapes or the notes.
"I think it was the right thing to do," Goodell said.

Still, Specter wants to know why penalties were imposed on Belichick before the full extent of the wrongdoing was known and the tapes destroyed in a two-week span. Asked if he thinks there was a coverup, Specter demurred.
"There was an enormous amount of haste," Specter said.

He scoffed at the reasons Goodell gave for destroying the tapes and notes, particularly about trying to keep them out of competitors' hands and because Belichick had admitted to the taping.

"What's that got to do with it? There's an admission of guilt, you preserve the evidence," Specter said. As for keeping the tapes out of the hands of others: "All you have to do is lock up the tapes."

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team was fined $250,000 because of the Spygate incident. The Patriots also forfeited a first-round draft pick.
Specter has questioned the quality of the NFL's investigation into the matter and raised the possibility of congressional hearings if he wasn't satisfied with Goodell's answers. Specter also raised the threat of Congress canceling the league's antitrust exemption and reiterated that in the meeting with Goodell.

Goodell also said he has not heard from Matt Walsh, the former Patriots employee who performed some videotaping duties for the team.
Walsh told The Associated Press last week during the Pro Bowl in Hawaii that he couldn't talk about allegations that he taped a walkthrough practice by the St. Louis Rams before the 2002 Super Bowl. New England, a two-touchdown underdog, won that game 20-17.
Goodell said he has offered Walsh a deal whereby "he has to tell the truth and he has to return anything he took improperly" in return for indemnity. Specter said he, too, wanted to talk to Walsh and perhaps offer a different deal.

Goodell also said he reserves the right to reopen the investigation if more information is uncovered.




WTF? The guy MIGHT have a tape that proves Bill B cheated and taped the red-zone plays of the Rams... and the Commish is concerned this highly illegal evidence was "taken improperly"?!?!?! Is this guy for real? What, exactly, is the proper way to "take" an illegal tape that should never have been shot in the first place?

Specter damn sure better get that tape before Goodell does, or it will go into the incinerator too.

This is a cover-up, plain and simple. The commish admits Bill B has ALWAYS thought taping was legal (despite being told numerous times that it's not) and we all don't think he started this a long time ago?

Oh well, who cares, it's not like the NFL has much integrity left anyway. They are just lucky baseball has screwed up the steroids issue, that will overshadow this.




Lynn G. -> RE: NFL News (2/14/2008 10:31:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Easy E

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Speaking of ticket prices, I got my invoice today for my season tickets and the total went up $50.00. It doesn't seem like much because it only amounts to about $6.25 per game, but my total bill just went from $950.00 to $1000.00.  Psychologically it's tough to make that leap to a thousand dollars for football tickets.

I must be crazy!


Imagine how much they'll bump it if they actually ever get into the playoff!!


Ever?  You write that as if we've never been in the playoffs.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: NFL News (2/14/2008 10:46:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Easy E

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Speaking of ticket prices, I got my invoice today for my season tickets and the total went up $50.00. It doesn't seem like much because it only amounts to about $6.25 per game, but my total bill just went from $950.00 to $1000.00.  Psychologically it's tough to make that leap to a thousand dollars for football tickets.

I must be crazy!


Imagine how much they'll bump it if they actually ever get into the playoff!!


Ever?  You write that as if we've never been in the playoffs.


And that the possibility of us getting there again is a longshot.  We are NOT the Lions or Cardinals here people.  We weren't that far from making the playoffs last season.  One more win (against Washington) and we would have been in. 




Lynn G. -> RE: NFL News (2/14/2008 10:56:39 AM)

And I've written about this before, but every home game I look in the booklet that greets us at our seats in the dome, and one of the things they do is compare stats between the two teams meeting up that day.  One of the stats they list is the number of playoff appearances for each team.

Almost every single time, even when we're playing teams like the Packers and the Bears and others that have been in the league decades longer than we have - the Vikings have made more playoff appearances than any of these teams.




Easy E -> RE: NFL News (2/14/2008 11:34:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Easy E

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Speaking of ticket prices, I got my invoice today for my season tickets and the total went up $50.00. It doesn't seem like much because it only amounts to about $6.25 per game, but my total bill just went from $950.00 to $1000.00.  Psychologically it's tough to make that leap to a thousand dollars for football tickets.

I must be crazy!


Imagine how much they'll bump it if they actually ever get into the playoff!!


Ever?  You write that as if we've never been in the playoffs.


What? Um.. you were the one commenting on the prices going up, I was just making a flip comment about them going up more when they actually do something.

Lynn, you should know me well enough to know I am well aware of the last time the Vikes have been in the playoffs. I didn't "write it as if" anything except that they haven't been to the playoffs since 2004, and only twice this decade. 

I thought I was agreeing with you, but you write that as if raising prices should be expected, so I guess I'm alone in thinking this... but I think raising prices just to raise em, especially when you had possible blackout issues the year before, isn't right.




Easy E -> RE: NFL News (2/14/2008 11:36:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

And that the possibility of us getting there again is a longshot.  We are NOT the Lions or Cardinals here people.  We weren't that far from making the playoffs last season.  One more win (against Washington) and we would have been in. 


I'm sorry, you're right. Jack them prices up, baby!!

You guys read way too much into it, and now you're both coming off as if Wilf should start charging even more for his product.

Which is fine for me, I can't afford $1k for tickets anyway, and if you think it shoud be even more, more power to ya.




Lynn G. -> RE: NFL News (2/14/2008 11:36:49 AM)

Okay - sorry, I misunderstood your comment.  I thought you were saying something else.

All is well.




Lynn G. -> RE: NFL News (2/14/2008 11:38:10 AM)

Actually, you misread ours too.  No one was saying that prices SHOULD go up.  I was just bemoaning the fact that they HAD gone up.




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