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Lynn G. -> RE: The Packers (1/15/2012 4:44:16 PM)

Next year can WE be the team that puts money in the refs' pension fund to get calls like that?



Guest -> RE: The Packers (1/15/2012 7:01:00 PM)

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Cheesehead Craig -> RE: The Packers (1/15/2012 7:11:15 PM)

Packers 20 - Giants 37

Offense
  • 3 Fumbles in one game.  Half the total they had all season.  One that Rodgers had stopped a TD to a wide open Jennings.
  • 8 dropped passes.  Just destroyed any offensive flow.
  • OL really did a good job in protection for most of the game.
  • Rodgers got frustrated by the drops.  The missed TD pass to Jennings early on and the 3rd down miss to Finley were huge.

    Defense
  • No excuse for the big run and then the hail mary on 2 straight plays to end the half.  The 2 biggest plays of the game, IMO.
  • Torched through the air, as usual.
  • The run defense was quite good up until the very end.
  • No pressure really to speak of.  Way too often Eli had all day with only 3 rushing on 3rd down.
  • The secondary always seems to be in a state of confusion.

    Special Teams
  • Stupid early onside kick call.
  • Nice blocked FG

    First off, tip of the hat to the Giants.  They had fantastic coverage downfield very often during the game.  Rodgers had to run as often as he did as there simply wasn't anyone open.  They did a great job shutting down the deep passes.  It was pretty clear they decided they were not going to try and run that much and went with the air attack early and often.  Nice job of coaching there by NY.  The Packers really shot themselves in the foot on offense more than I thought the Giants really stopped them.  Crummy end to the season (at least for me) but I had said quite often during the season that it would be the defense that would derail the season and in this game, they certainly played a big part in doing so.



    • Todd M -> RE: The Packers (1/15/2012 7:27:11 PM)

    Too humble and calm.


    That loss was HUGE!

    Biggest flop and one and done EVER.



    Lynn G. -> RE: The Packers (1/15/2012 8:28:04 PM)

    Craig, you can certainly hold your head up for a 15-1 season though. The offense overcame most of the messes that the defense served up - so you know your team has a ton of firepower. But it will be someone else's turn to win the Superbowl this year. Repeats are really tough.



    Andy Lowe -> RE: The Packers (1/15/2012 8:41:28 PM)

    The game had no business being that close.

    Green Bay got two gift calls that extended drives and led to scores

    The holding call on Snee was a joke too.

    Domination.



    Andy Lowe -> RE: The Packers (1/15/2012 8:43:17 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Cheesehead Craig

    Packers 20 - Giants 37

    Offense
  • 3 Fumbles in one game.  Half the total they had all season.  One that Rodgers had stopped a TD to a wide open Jennings.
  • 8 dropped passes.  Just destroyed any offensive flow.
  • OL really did a good job in protection for most of the game.
  • Rodgers got frustrated by the drops.  The missed TD pass to Jennings early on and the 3rd down miss to Finley were huge.

    Defense
  • No excuse for the big run and then the hail mary on 2 straight plays to end the half.  The 2 biggest plays of the game, IMO.
  • Torched through the air, as usual.
  • The run defense was quite good up until the very end.
  • No pressure really to speak of.  Way too often Eli had all day with only 3 rushing on 3rd down.
  • The secondary always seems to be in a state of confusion.

    Special Teams
  • Stupid early onside kick call.
  • Nice blocked FG

    First off, tip of the hat to the Giants.  They had fantastic coverage downfield very often during the game.  Rodgers had to run as often as he did as there simply wasn't anyone open.  They did a great job shutting down the deep passes.  It was pretty clear they decided they were not going to try and run that much and went with the air attack early and often.  Nice job of coaching there by NY.  The Packers really shot themselves in the foot on offense more than I thought the Giants really stopped them.  Crummy end to the season (at least for me) but I had said quite often during the season that it would be the defense that would derail the season and in this game, they certainly played a big part in doing so.


    • No mention of the two gifts?



    SoMnFan -> RE: The Packers (1/15/2012 8:47:46 PM)

    That freaking holding call was a classic example of refs choosing a not so obvious time in the game to try to change momentum
    Not even they could help the sloppy pack today.



    Andy Lowe -> RE: The Packers (1/15/2012 8:57:55 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

    That freaking holding call was a classic example of refs choosing a not so obvious time in the game to try to change momentum
    Not even they could help the sloppy pack today.


    Scott - I'm glad you caught it too, it looked like every other block I see an offensive lineman make.



    thebigo -> RE: The Packers (1/15/2012 9:19:36 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Todd M

    Too humble and calm.


    That loss was HUGE!

    Biggest flop and one and done EVER.


    First 15 and 1, 1 and done in NFL history.



    David F. -> RE: The Packers (1/15/2012 10:04:05 PM)

    Good god, I was starting to believe in The Pack but tonight was an obvious reminder that they are simply a 'propped up' 'here have a title and don't bother with the rules' team. It should have been 50 to 3 AT LAMBLOW.

    And last year they stole a TD from Shaincoe that would have kept them out of the playoffs.


    Why the **** do I even watch this shit....



    Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: The Packers (1/16/2012 12:41:14 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: David F.

    Good god, I was starting to believe in The Pack but tonight was an obvious reminder that they are simply a 'propped up' 'here have a title and don't bother with the rules' team. It should have been 50 to 3 AT LAMBLOW.

    And last year they stole a TD from Shaincoe that would have kept them out of the playoffs.


    Why the **** do I even watch this shit....

    David the reffing in this game was an abomination. I really didn't give a rip who won but after they took that fumble away as if it wasn't PLAIN AS DAY I was reminded of one thing.

    All the times we get screwed in Lambeau! The Giants kicked the refs and Packers tails in that one make no mistake about it. Should have been a 30 point blowout AT LEAST!



    David F. -> RE: The Packers (1/16/2012 1:59:31 PM)

    I'm stealing this from a friend who was responding to the question 'what would you say if the Vikings got those calls'?

    He replied, 'If the Vikings got those calls at the Dome the fans would call it a miracle. When the Packers get those calls at Lambeau they call it Sunday'.

    lol



    Lynn G. -> RE: The Packers (1/16/2012 3:02:55 PM)

    I have grown more cynical over the years about reffing in the NFL. From our own experience with the rape at Lambeau, to the absolute theft of a Superbowl win for Seattle in their game against the Steelers, to the Ravens getting screwed big time in a playoff game against the Patriots... and many more. When I saw that ridiculous call yesterday in which they overturned the VERY obvious fumble - I turned off the game and picked up a book.

    I think it's time for a letter writing campaign to the head of the refs. This time it didn't affect the outcome of the game, but we've all seen times when it has.



    SoMnFan -> RE: The Packers (1/17/2012 12:25:03 PM)

    I think it's very telling that even three days after the game has ended, there is still plenty of talking going on, about some very questionable calls.
    And most importantly, it's not after a loss by the giants, but rather a huge win. It cannot be construed as whining about spilled milk.
    It's an honest review of some embarrassingly questionable calls that were meant to swing momentum. IMO.



    David F. -> RE: The Packers (1/17/2012 1:56:55 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

    I think it's very telling that even three days after the game has ended, there is still plenty of talking going on, about some very questionable calls.
    And most importantly, it's not after a loss by the giants, but rather a huge win. It cannot be construed as whining about spilled milk.
    It's an honest review of some embarrassingly questionable calls that were meant to swing momentum. IMO.



    Well unfortunately I feel you have to make a go of the subject only after the screwed team wins. If you talk about it after the screwed team loses then so many will say 'you can't let the refs beat you' or some other completely illogical crap. Let's explore that logic for a just a bit (it's always been such a frustratingly STUPID argument to me). What say whenever the Pack come to the Dome we have the refs tell them that their TD's only count for four points and no more than two Viking DB's can interfere on any given pass play? Hey! Don't let the refs beat you!



    Todd M -> RE: The Packers (1/17/2012 2:36:24 PM)

    Good points guys. You always had the same people telling the whiners whining about the refs to, basically, quit whining...refs don't lose you the game etc etc...


    I think it is fantastic that a big ol spot light light is shinning on this BS.



    David F. -> RE: The Packers (1/17/2012 2:46:25 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Todd M

    Good points guys. You always had the same people telling the whiners whining about the refs to, basically, quit whining...refs don't lose you the game etc etc...


    I think it is fantastic that a big ol spot light light is shinning on this BS.




    I agree and I hope it continues and doesn't stop until the biased officiating is corrected. It's not good for anyone, not even the teams that are perenially being babied. It cheapens the game and taints the title.

    I WOULD NOT feel good about a championship that could be traced back to obvious biased officiating. I would ask for that trophy to be SENT BACK.



    Rob Viking -> RE: The Packers (1/17/2012 3:44:13 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: David F.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Todd M

    Good points guys. You always had the same people telling the whiners whining about the refs to, basically, quit whining...refs don't lose you the game etc etc...


    I think it is fantastic that a big ol spot light light is shinning on this BS.




    I agree and I hope it continues and doesn't stop until the biased officiating is corrected. It's not good for anyone, not even the teams that are perenially being babied. It cheapens the game and taints the title.

    I WOULD NOT feel good about a championship that could be traced back to obvious biased officiating. I would ask for that trophy to be SENT BACK.


    The Pats first SB is the most tainted of all.



    David F. -> RE: The Packers (1/17/2012 4:04:38 PM)

    The 'tuck rule' if I'm not mistaken?



    marty -> RE: The Packers (1/17/2012 9:17:42 PM)

    There WAS more betting on the Giants, and the officials were just trying to get things going in the right direction for the Pack to have a better chance to cover 8 1/2. They were just doing their job, it just doesn't always work out for them when they are tinkering with a game.



    marty -> RE: The Packers (1/17/2012 9:26:42 PM)

    You know, it's quite rare when you feel a team had to OVERCOME the officials in a playoff run and went on to win the SB. I can't really recall a team that had to do that, can you ? Most teams, either had a small or large officials bias, or neutral officiating, NOT a biased AGAINST them.

    Looking at past SB winners, if a team doesn't repeat, it's quite rare for a team to come back and win a SB 3 or 4 years later. That's a good thing thinking about the Packers the next few years [;)].

    Maybe, like someone I know stated, the Packers weren't really that great of team this last year, it's just that Rodgers was playing at such a phenomenal level. But why weren't they such a great team, they almost had the same team back from the previous season ? OTOH, if some of the players around Rodgers pick up their game, the Pack will be better than the team that was 15-1 this last season.

    I'm glad to see the spotlight shined a little bit on this bias in officiating. I think it's important, and might be just as important in the Vikes turnaround as the next good FA or draft pick. It's either about perception, or maybe there are other factors. Whatever it is, it would be nice if the Vikes at least got neutral officiating when they go to Lambau, when they play a playoff game, and especially when in OT of a playoff game. I'm not sure the Vikes in the playoffs will be able to beat a good team like the Packers, on the road, beat the Packers AND the officials.



    Rob Viking -> RE: The Packers (1/18/2012 12:06:00 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: David F.

    The 'tuck rule' if I'm not mistaken?


    The tuck rule yes.

    As well as the SB vs the Rams where they held the Rams WRs all game long and got a way with many late/illegal hits. When the score was 17-3 Pats in the 4th they did give the Rams a break calling a penalty on a 99yd pick 6 for the Pats that would've iced the game, but it was an obvious hold on Faulk. The ref even pleaded for his line judge to overturn the call but he wouldn't. But up until that point the Pats had free reign to hold Holt, Bruce and especially Faulk on almost every play. And take shots at Warner and defenseless Rams WRs. Not to mention the final drive where Brady had an obvious intentional grounding which would've killed off their game winning drive.



    Lynn G. -> RE: The Packers (2/11/2012 8:46:33 AM)

    The fact that they kept him playing after the initial felony charge is interesting:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AhjgDjv9T.QzwUgBsILc8ISYvMJ_?slug=ap-packers-walden



    Guest -> RE: The Packers (2/13/2012 9:27:03 AM)

    Conveniently not talked about on X4. 



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