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Phil Riewer -> RE: The Packers (12/18/2011 2:49:16 PM)

KC now up 18-7....keep it rolling Chiefs...



Guest -> RE: The Packers (12/18/2011 4:08:40 PM)

All those injuries the Pack have are gonna come back and bite them in the keester.....Rogers was awful....does Jennings have that big of an impact????  Better hope he comes back at 100%.  Packers have one loss, but they looked awful today.....



John Childress -> RE: The Packers (12/18/2011 6:42:32 PM)

Meanwhile the Vikings played like champs and are on the road to the playoffs



SoMnFan -> RE: The Packers (12/18/2011 7:28:38 PM)

Praise the Higher Power!
At least, in our year of grief .. we will not have to hear that the packers were Perfect.



John Childress -> RE: The Packers (12/18/2011 8:51:25 PM)

There is no good in this year

Your "good" is that the Packers end the year with 1 loss while we have 2 wins?

Seriously?

The year is a complete disaster

Worst of all, Ponder did just enough for the fools in charge to pass on a much better QB



Guest -> RE: The Packers (12/18/2011 8:58:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: John Childress

Meanwhile the Vikings played like champs and are on the road to the playoffs


Not sure what that has to do with my post....but okay.



Rob Viking -> RE: The Packers (12/19/2011 11:27:19 AM)

Sure the Vikes are terrible this season and the Pack are the best, but I think all Vikings fans can breath a sigh of relief that their most hated rival and their fans don't have the satisfaction that their team is the greatest of all time blah blah blah.

Tbh the injuries to Sherrod and Bulaga could be devastating.



Phil Riewer -> RE: The Packers (12/19/2011 11:31:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: John Childress

There is no good in this year

Your "good" is that the Packers end the year with 1 loss while we have 2 wins?

Seriously?

The year is a complete disaster

Worst of all, Ponder did just enough for the fools in charge to pass on a much better QB


Again...how do u know? Is Nostradomas on your payroll?



John Childress -> RE: The Packers (12/19/2011 2:20:56 PM)

I am handicapped because i didn't grow up in the Twin Cities

Therefore i don't get any satisfaction from GB losing unless the Vikings are the ones beating them

I can't take any satisfaction in any team losing when the Vikings are 2-11



Lynn G. -> RE: The Packers (12/19/2011 2:54:33 PM)

It's true John - you don't have to live amongst Packer fans and listen to their arrogant condescension all the time. But certainly you have witnessed that kind of behavior from other fans of other teams in areas where you have lived at different times in your life. You DO understand that that kind of thing exists, don't you? You have seen intra-division rivalries I'm sure.



Cheesehead Craig -> RE: The Packers (12/19/2011 8:38:38 PM)

Spent the last 4 days in the WI Dells at a waterpark with the wife and kids and got back tonight.  Didn't want you guys to think I forgot about you.

Packers 14 - Chiefs 19

Offense
  • What do you know?  Rodgers is mortal.
  • Grant had a solid running day.
  • The OL is a mess with all the injuries.  Sherrod is done, Newhouse isn't all that good, hopefully Bulaga and Clifton can get back soon.
  • Paging the WR corps hands... paging their hands.

    Defense
  • You know, giving up 18 pts should get you a win.
  • Good job with the red zone defense, but really couldn't stop KC
  • No pass rush to speak of at all.  I mean nobody is getting there.
  • I've said this D lives off the turnover, well they died from it today.

    Special Teams
  • Not too shabby.
  • Hard to fault Crosby with missing the 54 yarder.

    Hats off to KC.  They played a hell of a game and simply outplayed the Pack.  The term "Any Given Sunday" really did apply on Sunday.  Big props to the KC defense as they had a monstrous pass rush and their secondary just blanketed the Packers WRs.  Would the Packers win 4 out of 5 games against the Chiefs?  I truly believe so.  But only one game counts.  Didn't think the Pack would go undefeated and it's likely a benefit to them to get a loss as at least that pressure is off.  Hey, but they got home-field advantage throughout the playoffs with SF losing. 



    • SoMnFan -> RE: The Packers (12/19/2011 8:49:47 PM)

    Watched the Pack/Chiefs game in a great locale, surrounded by mobs ...half pulling for the Pack, half against them.
    We had a wall of 15 TVs going in the sports bar I was at, but the middle large TV was on that game.
    Your comments reminded me of what struck me, Craig ....
    What I saw time and time again on Sunday was the Packers receivers (who I had not seen drop a ball all year, seemingly ...) dropping balls all over the place.
    Yes, there were some reaches, and reach-backs, and tough spots ... but all year they had been making those.
    Rodgers (contrary to popular belief) is not perfect.
    Anyway ... I just thought it was a good lesson in how good (or bad) a receiving corps can make their QB look.
    GB's offense had been to me (all year before Sunday) .... invincible. They were FAR from that Sunday, and the reason, imo .... was the sudden drop-off in the things that made them so damn unstoppable.
    * everyone coming back to the ball
    * everyone making tough grabs look routine
    * everyone adding huge chunks of yards on, after the catch
    * everyopne routinely moving the chains at tough times in the game

    Not saying it was all one groups fault, but I'm really buying into the notion that in the NFL ... its extremely tough to look good as a QB ... if you are not getting above-average reciever play, from many sources.
    It was the first time all year, that I felt almost anyone playing well, could beat GB.



    Guest -> RE: The Packers (12/20/2011 12:33:25 PM)

    The loss of Jennings may be the single biggest loss on that team this season.  KC didn't have to really double anyone and played everything pretty straight up.  The Pack better hope he comes back near 100% for the playoffs.



    Trekgeekscott -> RE: The Packers (12/20/2011 12:40:58 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

    The loss of Jennings may be the single biggest loss on that team this season.  KC didn't have to really double anyone and played everything pretty straight up.  The Pack better hope he comes back near 100% for the playoffs.


    Loss of Jennings paired with the starting LT being like a 5th option for the position.

    Packers could be in trouble if they don't fill in the LT position and get Jennings back close to full speed.



    Lynn G. -> RE: The Packers (12/21/2011 8:21:41 AM)

    Not only is this appalling behavior under any circumstance, but good golly it was the Packer's first loss all season. If this woman can't tolerate that she might as well be locked up:

    quote:

    APPLETON – Police say a drunken woman twice choked her 11-year-old daughter on Sunday after becoming angered by the Green Bay Packers game.


    By Charlie Riedel, AP

    The 36-year-old Grand Chute woman was charged Monday in Outagamie County Court with felony child abuse and misdemeanor counts of bail jumping and disorderly conduct.
    Police were called about 8:15 p.m. Sunday to a Grand Chute hotel where the girl told police her mother grabbed her by the neck during the football game. The woman was drinking alcohol and became upset because the team was losing. The girl said that after the Packers lost, her mother choked her again with enough force that the girl couldn't breathe, and her mother said, "Do you want to die?" the criminal complaint says.

    Police saw red marks and scratches on the girl's neck.

    The Post-Crescent is not naming the woman to protect the identity of the child.
    The woman's husband told police she also threw her dinner on the floor, broke a lamp and attempted to punch him in the face because she was upset about the game, which marked the Packers' first loss in 14 games this season.

    The child abuse charge carries a maximum sentence of 12½ years of imprisonment and $25,000 in fines. The woman could face up to nine months in jail if convicted of bail jumping and 90 days on the disorderly conduct count. She is being held in jail on a $2,500 cash bond.



    Trekgeekscott -> RE: The Packers (12/21/2011 8:36:36 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

    Not only is this appalling behavior under any circumstance, but good golly it was the Packer's first loss all season. If this woman can't tolerate that she might as well be locked up:

    quote:

    APPLETON – Police say a drunken woman twice choked her 11-year-old daughter on Sunday after becoming angered by the Green Bay Packers game.


    By Charlie Riedel, AP

    The 36-year-old Grand Chute woman was charged Monday in Outagamie County Court with felony child abuse and misdemeanor counts of bail jumping and disorderly conduct.
    Police were called about 8:15 p.m. Sunday to a Grand Chute hotel where the girl told police her mother grabbed her by the neck during the football game. The woman was drinking alcohol and became upset because the team was losing. The girl said that after the Packers lost, her mother choked her again with enough force that the girl couldn't breathe, and her mother said, "Do you want to die?" the criminal complaint says.

    Police saw red marks and scratches on the girl's neck.

    The Post-Crescent is not naming the woman to protect the identity of the child.
    The woman's husband told police she also threw her dinner on the floor, broke a lamp and attempted to punch him in the face because she was upset about the game, which marked the Packers' first loss in 14 games this season.

    The child abuse charge carries a maximum sentence of 12½ years of imprisonment and $25,000 in fines. The woman could face up to nine months in jail if convicted of bail jumping and 90 days on the disorderly conduct count. She is being held in jail on a $2,500 cash bond.



    I hope she gets the maximum and doesn't ever get to see her kid again.

    Seriously, I get upset when the Vikings lose, which means I get upset a lot.  But I would never in a million years harm my wife or children for any reason, much less over a football game that neither I nor they had any control over.

    It is established that reports of domestic abuse go up in Wisconsin after a Packers loss.  It is sad that the outcome of a football game can have such dire results.



    Prescott -> RE: The Packers (12/21/2011 9:44:52 AM)

    quote:

    I hope she gets the maximum and doesn't ever get to see her kid again.
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

    Not only is this appalling behavior under any circumstance, but good golly it was the Packer's first loss all season. If this woman can't tolerate that she might as well be locked up:

    quote:

    APPLETON – Police say a drunken woman twice choked her 11-year-old daughter on Sunday after becoming angered by the Green Bay Packers game.


    By Charlie Riedel, AP

    The 36-year-old Grand Chute woman was charged Monday in Outagamie County Court with felony child abuse and misdemeanor counts of bail jumping and disorderly conduct.
    Police were called about 8:15 p.m. Sunday to a Grand Chute hotel where the girl told police her mother grabbed her by the neck during the football game. The woman was drinking alcohol and became upset because the team was losing. The girl said that after the Packers lost, her mother choked her again with enough force that the girl couldn't breathe, and her mother said, "Do you want to die?" the criminal complaint says.

    Police saw red marks and scratches on the girl's neck.

    The Post-Crescent is not naming the woman to protect the identity of the child.
    The woman's husband told police she also threw her dinner on the floor, broke a lamp and attempted to punch him in the face because she was upset about the game, which marked the Packers' first loss in 14 games this season.

    The child abuse charge carries a maximum sentence of 12½ years of imprisonment and $25,000 in fines. The woman could face up to nine months in jail if convicted of bail jumping and 90 days on the disorderly conduct count. She is being held in jail on a $2,500 cash bond.



    I hope she gets the maximum and doesn't ever get to see her kid again.

    Seriously, I get upset when the Vikings lose, which means I get upset a lot.  But I would never in a million years harm my wife or children for any reason, much less over a football game that neither I nor they had any control over.

    It is established that reports of domestic abuse go up in Wisconsin after a Packers loss.  It is sad that the outcome of a football game can have such dire results.


    This is a very sane and reasonable response to choking someone in anger. I just wish it were applied to Viking players as well.



    Trekgeekscott -> RE: The Packers (12/21/2011 10:31:01 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Prescott

    quote:

    I hope she gets the maximum and doesn't ever get to see her kid again.
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

    Not only is this appalling behavior under any circumstance, but good golly it was the Packer's first loss all season. If this woman can't tolerate that she might as well be locked up:

    quote:

    APPLETON – Police say a drunken woman twice choked her 11-year-old daughter on Sunday after becoming angered by the Green Bay Packers game.


    By Charlie Riedel, AP

    The 36-year-old Grand Chute woman was charged Monday in Outagamie County Court with felony child abuse and misdemeanor counts of bail jumping and disorderly conduct.
    Police were called about 8:15 p.m. Sunday to a Grand Chute hotel where the girl told police her mother grabbed her by the neck during the football game. The woman was drinking alcohol and became upset because the team was losing. The girl said that after the Packers lost, her mother choked her again with enough force that the girl couldn't breathe, and her mother said, "Do you want to die?" the criminal complaint says.

    Police saw red marks and scratches on the girl's neck.

    The Post-Crescent is not naming the woman to protect the identity of the child.
    The woman's husband told police she also threw her dinner on the floor, broke a lamp and attempted to punch him in the face because she was upset about the game, which marked the Packers' first loss in 14 games this season.

    The child abuse charge carries a maximum sentence of 12½ years of imprisonment and $25,000 in fines. The woman could face up to nine months in jail if convicted of bail jumping and 90 days on the disorderly conduct count. She is being held in jail on a $2,500 cash bond.



    I hope she gets the maximum and doesn't ever get to see her kid again.

    Seriously, I get upset when the Vikings lose, which means I get upset a lot.  But I would never in a million years harm my wife or children for any reason, much less over a football game that neither I nor they had any control over.

    It is established that reports of domestic abuse go up in Wisconsin after a Packers loss.  It is sad that the outcome of a football game can have such dire results.


    This is a very sane and reasonable response to choking someone in anger. I just wish it were applied to Viking players as well.


    Cook may yet get the maximum, and he probably wont be seeing his girlfriend ever again. 

    More likely in both cases there will be a plea bargain down to a much lesser offense and life will go on. 




    Prescott -> RE: The Packers (12/21/2011 10:52:55 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

    Cook may yet get the maximum, and he probably wont be seeing his girlfriend ever again. 

    More likely in both cases there will be a plea bargain down to a much lesser offense and life will go on. 


    It was just good to read a viseral reaction to a heinous act, rather than excuses for the mom, not knowing the whole story, perhaps the police were embellishing the marks, etc. Helps make me think humans haven't sold all their morals for football. Just draw interesting lines.



    Guest -> RE: The Packers (12/22/2011 1:10:47 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

    Not only is this appalling behavior under any circumstance, but good golly it was the Packer's first loss all season. If this woman can't tolerate that she might as well be locked up:

    quote:

    APPLETON – Police say a drunken woman twice choked her 11-year-old daughter on Sunday after becoming angered by the Green Bay Packers game.


    By Charlie Riedel, AP

    The 36-year-old Grand Chute woman was charged Monday in Outagamie County Court with felony child abuse and misdemeanor counts of bail jumping and disorderly conduct.
    Police were called about 8:15 p.m. Sunday to a Grand Chute hotel where the girl told police her mother grabbed her by the neck during the football game. The woman was drinking alcohol and became upset because the team was losing. The girl said that after the Packers lost, her mother choked her again with enough force that the girl couldn't breathe, and her mother said, "Do you want to die?" the criminal complaint says.

    Police saw red marks and scratches on the girl's neck.

    The Post-Crescent is not naming the woman to protect the identity of the child.
    The woman's husband told police she also threw her dinner on the floor, broke a lamp and attempted to punch him in the face because she was upset about the game, which marked the Packers' first loss in 14 games this season.

    The child abuse charge carries a maximum sentence of 12½ years of imprisonment and $25,000 in fines. The woman could face up to nine months in jail if convicted of bail jumping and 90 days on the disorderly conduct count. She is being held in jail on a $2,500 cash bond.



    Funny.....no mention of this on X4.



    Lynn G. -> RE: The Packers (12/22/2011 1:28:38 PM)

    Interesting. Although it was two different Packer fans on X4 that had originally told me about the higher incidence of spousal abuse after Packer losses. I was surprised that they'd admit it about "their own" but I think they were just commenting on an ongoing phenomenon. After that I checked with a relative of a friend of mine who worked in the emergency room of a Wisconsin hospital and he confirmed it.

    I also heard someone on our local talk radio show the other day and he said that he worked for some retail store chain for many years, and they found that the week after a Packer loss would result in a huge decrease in store sales for the Green Bay branches of their store. He characterized it as some kind of malaise that hit them whenever the team lost.



    SoMnFan -> RE: The Packers (12/22/2011 11:30:59 PM)

    Americans love a winner and that's not the Dallas Cowboys these days. The team from deep in the Republic of Texas has been replaced as the nation's most popular team.
    Aaron Rodgers' Super Bowl-winning Green Bay Packers were picked by 22 percent of voters as their favorite team in the NFL, according to Public Policy Polling's newest national survey. The Cowboys finished second, with 11 percent of the vote, followed by the Bears, Giants and Steelers.
    NFL Films famously gave the Cowboys the title of "America's Team" in a 1978 highlight film. The program opened up with this intro: "They appear on television so often that their faces are as familiar to the public as presidents and movie stars. They are the Dallas Cowboys, America's Team."
    A generation later, Dallas was actually picked as America's least favorite NFL team. The Cowboys got 22 percent of the negative vote, beating out the Chicago Bears' 8 percent and Green Bay's 7 percent for the title.


    This is disturbing [:D]



    Prescott -> RE: The Packers (12/23/2011 10:52:53 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

    Interesting. Although it was two different Packer fans on X4 that had originally told me about the higher incidence of spousal abuse after Packer losses. I was surprised that they'd admit it about "their own" but I think they were just commenting on an ongoing phenomenon. After that I checked with a relative of a friend of mine who worked in the emergency room of a Wisconsin hospital and he confirmed it.

    I also heard someone on our local talk radio show the other day and he said that he worked for some retail store chain for many years, and they found that the week after a Packer loss would result in a huge decrease in store sales for the Green Bay branches of their store. He characterized it as some kind of malaise that hit them whenever the team lost.


    Haven't there always been studies that showed things like this in all NFL cities?



    Lynn G. -> RE: The Packers (12/23/2011 11:31:01 AM)

    Don't know. I'm just reporting what I've heard.

    Are you trying to say that every fan base has its share of idiots? Of course - that's a no brainer. But fan bases often do earn some characterizations that may or may not be true for a majority. Certainly Philly and Oakland fans have the stereotype of being thugs, Cowboy fans for being arrogant, Jacksonville fans for having something else to do on Sundays ... Packer fans certainly have the stereotype for being drunk and disorderly, but that's not saying that all of them are that way. Even my Packer fan husband characterizes them that way.



    marty -> RE: The Packers (12/24/2011 8:24:18 PM)

    Some fans might pass it off as "it's a GOOD thing the Pack got the loss out of the way", but I think, and hope, it might be that the Packers lost their mojo, and could end up being vulnerable and lose to the Saints, Giants, 49ers or Falcons at home. They might be all happy they have home field, think they're invincible, and lose in their 1st playoff game there.

    What was impressive to me in the Chiefs game, was the Packers goal line defense, and they've been good there for quite some time. Not many teams can punch it in on the Packs defense from 5 yards or less, you're almost forced to pass, unless everything goes right with your run play. Woodson played some REALLY good run defense during the whole game, he looked like Antoine Winfield playing run defense.

    Newhouse got away with quite a few pretty obvious holds, and really had his hands full all day with Hali. Clifton is defintiely missed there, in a big way, although Newhouse isn't horrible as long as he gets away with all those holds. Clifton blocks players just as well or better, but without holding them. The Packers best OL all year has really been Bulaga, and his loss would be HUGE.

    Losing Jennings is HUGE, as he is what opens things up for the other WRs. In the post game, Rodgers didn't really blame his own play for the loss, but was instead commenting about how the WRs weren't really getting open. It was either a motivator for Nelson and Finley next week, or it could be that his ego has gotten large and he's ready to start blaming others for a loss, and the start of some chemistry problems for the Pack -- hopefully [;)].

    DWAYNE BOWE is an awesome player that the Vikes should target in FA next year. He is probably the best # 1 WR available, and it's the greatest area of need for the Vikes. He is big, fast, alert, has good hands and quickly looks downfield after making the catch. He's done quite well, has scored plenty of TDs in KC, despite some pretty mediocre QBing. I think he might even be a better prospect than David Boston! [;)]



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