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David Moufang -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 6:02:12 AM)

[quote="John Childress"]Don't worry Dallas is going to give you this game Their defense is worse and they keep turning the ball over[/quote] I'll buy you a beer if it happens.



David Moufang -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 6:29:48 AM)

Well, that pretty much takes care of it. Can't win a game when your offense is never on the field.



Steve Lentz -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 6:43:13 AM)

Looks like to me you got another very good QB.



Guest -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 6:49:16 AM)

yup. Hope he hits the FA market... :lol:



Guest -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 6:54:09 AM)

Personally, I think it's more the system and the coaching than it is the QB. Problem is, this Packer team isn't built for playoff games at Lambeau Field. I see a one and done for them.



John Childress -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 6:57:04 AM)

[quote="David Moufang"]Missing Woodson and KGB doesn't help things. Neither does having Favre out. That goes w/o saying though. Blah.[/quote] I disagree Favre going out was a benefit for you. He was playing like crap. Second, if you complain about your injuries you have to give Dallas credit for their injuries also. Franky, I was surprised that the Packers were not better than they were. Dallas should have put up another 14 on them at least



Guest -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 7:01:46 AM)

Oh, the injuries? First, see above, Favre SUCKED because they were behind. Secondly, get tougher, get deeper but just stop whining about injuries. Ever notice that the only people that whine about injuries are the LOSERS?



Cheesehead Craig -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 8:12:07 AM)

Ah crud. Well, we simply got whipped by the Cowboys tonight. Dallas had a major pass rush and the Packers had nothing, I thought that was one of the biggest reasons for the Cowboys win. Favre played like crap and had it in his head that he was going deep regardless. Stupid. Ryan Grant once again looked solid. Jennings deserves a Pro-Bowl this year. The pass defense was piss-poor, and the lack of a pass rush didn't help things. Guys were simply running wide open far too often. Rodgers looked fantastic. He made very solid reads after a shaky start and did a great job of running for 2 first downs. The post-Favre era doesn't look nearly as bad as it was made out to be. Guess the young kids aren't ready for prime-time yet. Here's hoping for a rematch though.



Guest -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 8:16:44 AM)

[quote="Cheesehead Craig"]Ah crud. Well, we simply got whipped by the Cowboys tonight. Dallas had a major pass rush and the Packers had nothing, I thought that was one of the biggest reasons for the Cowboys win. Favre played like crap and had it in his head that he was going deep regardless. Stupid. Ryan Grant once again looked solid. Jennings deserves a Pro-Bowl this year. The pass defense was piss-poor, and the lack of a pass rush didn't help things. Guys were simply running wide open far too often. Rodgers looked fantastic. He made very solid reads after a shaky start and did a great job of running for 2 first downs. The post-Favre era doesn't look nearly as bad as it was made out to be. Guess the young kids aren't ready for prime-time yet. Here's hoping for a rematch though.[/quote] ************************************************************** I really don't think I could have a favorite Packer player, but if I could, Jennings would be it.



Andy Lowe -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 3:29:45 PM)

[quote="Cheesehead Craig"]Ah crud. Well, we simply got whipped by the Cowboys tonight. Dallas had a major pass rush and the Packers had nothing, I thought that was one of the biggest reasons for the Cowboys win. Favre played like crap and had it in his head that he was going deep regardless. Stupid. Ryan Grant once again looked solid. Jennings deserves a Pro-Bowl this year. The pass defense was piss-poor, and the lack of a pass rush didn't help things. Guys were simply running wide open far too often. Rodgers looked fantastic. He made very solid reads after a shaky start and did a great job of running for 2 first downs. The post-Favre era doesn't look nearly as bad as it was made out to be. Guess the young kids aren't ready for prime-time yet. Here's hoping for a rematch though.[/quote] Rodgers took what the defense gave him, versus Favre who felt like he had to lift a monkey off his back. Didn't see the game, but saw the highlights, and Favre performance was one of the worst QB performances I've seen......period by any QB. Mike McCarthey still doesn't strike me as a winner.



Trekgeekscott -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 4:34:12 PM)

[quote="Andy Lowe"] Mike McCarthey still doesn't strike me as a winner.[/quote] He has more wins at this point in his career than Vince Lombardi. He has a Packers team that few expected to even be good to be one of the best teams in the NFC. Andy, I am a Vikings fan, and I can tell you, that McCarthy does strike me as a winner.



Steve Lentz -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 4:58:43 PM)

The tone of the game was set by Brett. He laid an egg in his biggest game to date this year. I still see the Packers as the 2nd best in the NFC.



Jeff Jesser -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 5:34:21 PM)

My early disclaimer...I hate the Packers..... That being said. JC is right. That was highway robbery on the Al Harris pick. Forward progress stopped or some bs like that?? WTF?? He wasn't out of bounds and his knees weren't down. Does that same call apply if, hypothetically, Williamson catches the ball and stops running at the 50. Harris comes up and rips it out. His forward progress was technically stopped. If that's the letter of the law it's the stupidest call I've ever seen (worse than the tuck rule). I knew that game was over right there. I'm not a conspiracy guy but come on.



Steve Lentz -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 5:36:47 PM)

[quote="Jeff Jesser"]My early disclaimer...I hate the Packers..... That being said. JC is right. That was highway robbery on the Al Harris pick. Forward progress stopped or some bs like that?? WTF?? He wasn't out of bounds and his knees weren't down. Does that same call apply if, hypothetically, Williamson catches the ball and stops running at the 50. Harris comes up and rips it out. His forward progress was technically stopped. If that's the letter of the law it's the stupidest call I've ever seen (worse than the tuck rule). I knew that game was over right there. I'm not a conspiracy guy but come on.[/quote] The whistle blew too early. Couldn't be challenged on the change of possession.



Lynn G. -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 5:37:55 PM)

As Viking fans, we certainly know what it feels like to get screwed by a ref's call. :viking: Not being able to hear the audio - I thought perhaps that Owen's foot was out of bounds before Harris completely ripped it out of his hands.



David Moufang -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 5:55:57 PM)

[quote="Jeff Jesser"]My early disclaimer...I hate the Packers..... That being said. JC is right. That was highway robbery on the Al Harris pick. Forward progress stopped or some bs like that?? WTF?? He wasn't out of bounds and his knees weren't down. Does that same call apply if, hypothetically, Williamson catches the ball and stops running at the 50. Harris comes up and rips it out. His forward progress was technically stopped. If that's the letter of the law it's the stupidest call I've ever seen (worse than the tuck rule). I knew that game was over right there. I'm not a conspiracy guy but come on.[/quote] No, the highway robbery was the 42-yard pass interference call on Tramon Williams. The receiver slowed down and it was incidental contact. Clear as day, yet the call was blown. Maybe there needs to be another officiating crew in a booth somewhere who can overrule shitty calls like that.



David Moufang -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 5:58:03 PM)

[quote="Steve Lentz"]The tone of the game was set by Brett. He laid an egg in his biggest game to date this year. I still see the Packers as the 2nd best in the NFC.[/quote] Greg Bedard of the Journal-Sentinel said basically the same thing. This would've been one of those 4-5 INT games we've waited for all season if Favre hadn't left early. Poor decisions on where to throw, poor execution, etc. Aaron Rodgers, on the other hand, showed clear ability -- his QB rating is higher than Favre for this season. HAH.



Trekgeekscott -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 6:50:02 PM)

[quote="David Moufang"][quote="Steve Lentz"]The tone of the game was set by Brett. He laid an egg in his biggest game to date this year. I still see the Packers as the 2nd best in the NFC.[/quote] Greg Bedard of the Journal-Sentinel said basically the same thing. This would've been one of those 4-5 INT games we've waited for all season if Favre hadn't left early. Poor decisions on where to throw, poor execution, etc. Aaron Rodgers, on the other hand, showed clear ability -- his QB rating is higher than Favre for this season. HAH.[/quote] I believe the Packers wont be as bad off as I once thought once/if Favre retires. Rodgers has had what Tavaris Jackson hasn't...time to sit, practice and learn the nuances of the game, get the playbook down pat... instead of just being thrown into the fire. Rodgers is showing that the dropoff wont be that great (though there will be a dropoff).



Lynn G. -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 7:02:58 PM)

[quote="David Moufang"] No, the highway robbery was the 42-yard pass interference call on Tramon Williams. The receiver slowed down and it was incidental contact. Clear as day, yet the call was blown. Maybe there needs to be another officiating crew in a booth somewhere who can overrule shitty calls like that.[/quote] It seems to me on the multiple replays of that, that Williams had his hand on the receiver's arm long before the ball got there. PI calls are made on a lot less than that every week in the NFL. Maybe somewhere out there is a still picture or two from that play. I looked on NFL.com, but of the 51 pictures they have up from that game, none of them are of this incident.



John Childress -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 7:08:18 PM)

I am no packer fan but they were robbed on both calls Owens progress was not stopped - unless you count tenths of a second. The refs BLEW the call and came up with a bogus explanation afterwards. The same thing for the PI The first official didn't call anything and then another one came up and threw the flag. The Dallas WR was NOT impeded. He saw he couldn't make the catch and purposely extended his legs backwards to cause the collision and fall. I watched it several times in HDTV and you cna see it was a great acting job by him. McCarthy Serioulsy, after watching the Packers rally without Favre can anyone NOT be impressed with the job he has done? 4-12 8-8 10-2 ?? Are you serious or you just can't take the purple shades off?



Lynn G. -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 7:14:10 PM)

I repeat:
quote:

PI calls are made on a lot less than that every week in the NFL.



Todd M -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 7:28:01 PM)

There couldn't have been a big enough loser in last night’s game as far as I'm concerned. My two most hated teams priming up for a possible NFCCG preview :vomit: It is nice to read the Jackson-esque performance by Favre though. The next INT he throws where he immediately grabs his wrist/arm/shoulder is when I sit him. Rodgers showed he can handle the job so I'd have a quick hook. Or the Packers could go down in flames and have Favre ride off into the sunset a loser. Doesn't matter. Now if there can just be a way to knock Dallas down a couple of pegs.



Cheesehead Craig -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 7:46:12 PM)

I keep the same mantra about officiating: It's part of the game. Yeah, there are bad calls, but those in and of themselves do not win or lose a game. Just like injuries, a good team can and should overcome them. I'm far more pissed about the shoddy OL and DL play of the Packers than anything else. Those areas had far more to do with the loss than the officating. Last night did not help MM's Coach of the Year campaign as he didn't put together all that great of a gameplan, but I still think he's done the best job. If Wade Phillips goes 15-1 or 14-2 though, I think he gets it.



Lynn G. -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 7:50:23 PM)

Good post Craig.



David Moufang -> RE:The Packers (11/30/2007 7:56:22 PM)

[quote="Cheesehead Craig"]I keep the same mantra about officiating: It's part of the game. Yeah, there are bad calls, but those in and of themselves do not win or lose a game. Just like injuries, a good team can and should overcome them. I'm far more pissed about the shoddy OL and DL play of the Packers than anything else. Those areas had far more to do with the loss than the officating. Last night did not help MM's Coach of the Year campaign as he didn't put together all that great of a gameplan, but I still think he's done the best job. If Wade Phillips goes 15-1 or 14-2 though, I think he gets it.[/quote] I agree that the bad calls (probably) don't win or lose games, but it's every NFL fan's god-given right to complain about referees. That's football culture. Otherwise, yes, the Packers displayed many, many weaknesses. Tony Romo was given all night on every snap. He just sat back there and waited, and because our defensive secondary SUCKED, someone always eventually opened up. Woodson's injury notwithstanding, Romo should not have been able to throw four TD passes. That is inexcusable for what our defense has accomplished this year. Also, kick coverage was awful. Huge field position for Dallas after nearly every punt and kick. Major improvements are needed. Our offense was actually decent. Greg Jennings is a star receiver -- how about Pro Bowl honours? But the major offensive issue was the lack of urgency in the fourth quarter. Why in the world didn't we try an onside after field goal?!?! We had nothing to lose and everything gain!! Clock management has never been a strength of this team.



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