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Jeff Jesser -> RE:The Packers (12/7/2007 8:26:25 PM)
One thing that gets me to scratch my head is the way we look at the Harris hit on AD. I honestly don't think it was dirty. It was really misfortunate but that's it IMO. ASk yourself this. What would you have realistically done if you were in Harris' shoes? You have a 215 lb rocket running down field who has shown he'll lay it on ya if you get in his way. Would you take him up high? I know I wouldn't.

Lynn G. -> RE:The Packers (12/7/2007 10:46:38 PM)
No - I wouldn't take him up high, but I'd use my 20 years of football experience and use my arms to wrap around his legs and make the tackle. Aren't kids taught how to tackle from Pop Warner football on, or are they all just taught to lunge at a guy and hope for the best?

Lynn G. -> RE:The Packers (12/7/2007 10:54:50 PM)
Craig, I know exactly how you feel because I was in your shoes up until about two years ago. It's tough to be a participant on a board in which your team ISN'T the one beloved and admired. It's hard to read criticism of the players/coaches/team/fanbase of the team that you root for - but one thing I WILL say is that on this site you have an opportunity to come here and post all kinds of positive things about your team, including comments praising them after a win. I would have been booed off the board if I had ever said anything like that in your shoes. The bottom line is that on a Viking board, you're going to run into a few posts in which people are going to be critical of your team. It's the nature of the beast.

David Moufang -> RE:The Packers (12/7/2007 11:27:05 PM)
[quote="Lynn G."]Craig, I know exactly how you feel because I was in your shoes up until about two years ago. It's tough to be a participant on a board in which your team ISN'T the one beloved and admired. It's hard to read criticism of the players/coaches/team/fanbase of the team that you root for - but one thing I WILL say is that on this site you have an opportunity to come here and post all kinds of positive things about your team, including comments praising them after a win. I would have been booed off the board if I had ever said anything like that in your shoes. The bottom line is that on a Viking board, you're going to run into a few posts in which people are going to be critical of your team. It's the nature of the beast.[/quote] I don't think he was talking about being a Packers fan on a Vikings board. He was bemoaning the fact that the pointless discussion about Harris/Peterson on here refuses to DIE.

Lynn G. -> RE:The Packers (12/8/2007 12:05:33 AM)
David, It's only been a month! How long is it considered okay to talk about your player's injury? Five years?

Trekgeekscott -> RE:The Packers (12/8/2007 12:12:54 AM)
[quote="Lynn G."]David, It's only been a month! How long is it considered okay to talk about your player's injury? Five years?[/quote] Fans of any team have the right to discuss, any perceived injustice, for as long as our sun burns hot in the sky. I reserve the right to complain about the knee, and Drew Pearson. PEARSON happened 30 years ago. There is no statute of limitations for complaining about your team or perceived injustices.

David Moufang -> RE:The Packers (12/8/2007 12:22:59 AM)
[quote="Lynn G."]David, It's only been a month! How long is it considered okay to talk about your player's injury? Five years?[/quote] Except that you don't talk about the injury. You talk about whether Al Harris's hit was "clean." It's endless speculation. We will never know what went thru his head when the tackle was made. The conversation grew stale, and I believe that's what Craig was driving at when he called it "garbage." And yes, since it's already been a month, and the Vikings have mysteriously won every game since, the topic should die. Perhaps another thread should be created for this particular topic, since it is completely irrelevant to any serious discussion about football or the Packers.

Lynn G. -> RE:The Packers (12/8/2007 2:57:20 AM)
Okiedokie. David has declared that the topic should die - therefore I will forget all about it. I think it's kind of cool how you've taken over this board and made decisions about what people can post and not post. That's a coup! This is the second time that a topic has made Packer fans here uncomfortable or embarrassed and they've asked that we stop talking about it. I understand. :gotwins:

Guest -> RE:The Packers (12/8/2007 3:23:34 AM)
[quote="Jeff Jesser"]One thing that gets me to scratch my head is the way we look at the Harris hit on AD. I honestly don't think it was dirty. It was really misfortunate but that's it IMO. ASk yourself this. What would you have realistically done if you were in Harris' shoes? You have a 215 lb rocket running down field who has shown he'll lay it on ya if you get in his way. Would you take him up high? I know I wouldn't.[/quote] Not that this has any significance, or any relevance, but back in the day, a group of my friends, all freshmen were playing a game of Pickup, tackle football, when we were challenged to a game by some older, bigger and faster seniors, "just for fun" and because they were ragging on us for being "chickens" The let us play our 7 guys against thier 5 guys. On the "opening" KO they received and this big, tall, lanky dude came barrelling down the field, not even trying to avoid being tackled, because he figured he was too fast and way tougher. I was waiting for him, sort of just half trotting his way and he ran right straight at me, figuring to bowl be over. At the time. I was about 6' nothing and weighed 155-160 lbs, he was 6'2 or 6'3 and 200 lbs and on the fotball team as a tight end/ flanker on offense and played some LB on defense. I was a second string DE/LB on the Fresh/Soph squad. Well, I stuck my head to the left of his hip, across his body, and drove my shoulder into his hips from right to left, while wrapping him up with my arms. We both went down like a train wreck and I caught an elbow upside the head, but he got sucker punched in the gut, not quite accidentally. When the dust settled, we both picked ourselves up and he actually said "dude, that took guts, good tackle." Danimal the football animal was born that day, I relished viscious "mano a mano" tackles. Those guys played us with a lot more respect and a lot less "attitude" from there on out. I don't accept that "smaller players" have to throw their bodies at bigger faster guys legs to bring them down. London Fletcher as a LB is not a leg chopping pussy, Zach Thomas is not either, Lots of Corners, safeties and other "smaller players" Tackle by wrapping up and sticking a guy in the open field. "Maybe" Harris' tackle was 'legit' by NFL standards, but personally, I consider that crap as pansy assed chicken chit, cheap shot football and no amount of "other players do it", makes it any less than that or rationalizes it as "valid". JMO

thebigo -> RE:The Packers (12/8/2007 6:27:33 PM)
[quote="Danimal"][quote="Jeff Jesser"]One thing that gets me to scratch my head is the way we look at the Harris hit on AD. I honestly don't think it was dirty. It was really misfortunate but that's it IMO. ASk yourself this. What would you have realistically done if you were in Harris' shoes? You have a 215 lb rocket running down field who has shown he'll lay it on ya if you get in his way. Would you take him up high? I know I wouldn't.[/quote] Not that this has any significance, or any relevance, but back in the day, a group of my friends, all freshmen were playing a game of Pickup, tackle football, when we were challenged to a game by some older, bigger and faster seniors, "just for fun" and because they were ragging on us for being "chickens" The let us play our 7 guys against thier 5 guys. On the "opening" KO they received and this big, tall, lanky dude came barrelling down the field, not even trying to avoid being tackled, because he figured he was too fast and way tougher. I was waiting for him, sort of just half trotting his way and he ran right straight at me, figuring to bowl be over. At the time. I was about 6' nothing and weighed 155-160 lbs, he was 6'2 or 6'3 and 200 lbs and on the fotball team as a tight end/ flanker on offense and played some LB on defense. I was a second string DE/LB on the Fresh/Soph squad. Well, I stuck my head to the left of his hip, across his body, and drove my shoulder into his hips from right to left, while wrapping him up with my arms. We both went down like a train wreck and I caught an elbow upside the head, but he got sucker punched in the gut, not quite accidentally. When the dust settled, we both picked ourselves up and he actually said "dude, that took guts, good tackle." Danimal the football animal was born that day, I relished viscious "mano a mano" tackles. Those guys played us with a lot more respect and a lot less "attitude" from there on out. I don't accept that "smaller players" have to throw their bodies at bigger faster guys legs to bring them down. London Fletcher as a LB is not a leg chopping pussy, Zach Thomas is not either, Lots of Corners, safeties and other "smaller players" Tackle by wrapping up and sticking a guy in the open field. "Maybe" Harris' tackle was 'legit' by NFL standards, but personally, I consider that crap as pansy assed chicken chit, cheap shot football and no amount of "other players do it", makes it any less than that or rationalizes it as "valid". JMO[/quote] The injury was unfortunate, fortunately not serious. I don't have a problem with the tackle, it wasn't illegal, if Harris had hit him high he'd of been picking himself up from the 3rd row of seats. It's Harris's job to tackle the opponent, if he'd of hit him high, he would have failed. Antoine Winfield makes a living (and a reputation as the best tackling CB in the league) on those types of tackles.

Duane Sampson -> RE:The Packers (12/9/2007 6:11:41 PM)
I'm winding down on my quest for a third straight survivor title at my favorite watering hole with my chips on Green Bay this week. If the Packers lose I'll be out but then I can blame GB all year. :lol: I don't know what teams the other two guys still alive have left but they were shocked that I still had GB to use. Even more shocked that I haven't taken them once all year in the confidence pool. My answer, "I have no confidence in them." ;)

David Moufang -> RE:The Packers (12/9/2007 8:48:38 PM)
!! RYAN GRANT !!

David Moufang -> RE:The Packers (12/9/2007 8:56:56 PM)
!! WILL BLACKMON !!

Cheesehead Craig -> RE:The Packers (12/10/2007 2:07:53 AM)
Just an absolute ass-whipping by the Packers. I think we can put to rest the argument that they don't have a running game and they cannot play in cold weather. Yeah, it was the Raiders, but they did what good teams are supposed to do to bad teams... beat them senseless. I am simply amazed at how good the WR and TE corps we have. Leading the league in YAC and put up another 173 yds of it today. The secondary played a far better game than they did against Dallas. Good to see them put that game behind them and play up to their ability. Good to see Harrell have some nice plays as well.

John Childress -> RE:The Packers (12/11/2007 8:21:04 PM)
Al Harris isn't even close to 1/2 as dirty as Rodney Harrison.

Duane Sampson -> RE:The Packers (12/11/2007 11:37:24 PM)
Raiders Accused of Dirty Play The Contra Costa Times reports Green Bay Packers MLB Nick Barnett called Raiders C Jeremy Newberry a dirty player for allegedly poking him in the eye Sunday. Packers HC Mike McCarthy wasn't all that pleased with Raiders DE Derrick Burgess for a play on which he hit QB Brett Favre at the knees. "The (first time) he was in contact with the tackle and then was pushed a little, but the other one, he went low on him," McCarthy said in his weekly news conference Monday. "It was clearly evident. It was unnecessary." The play in question came at the start of the third quarter. Burgess hit Favre as Favre let fly with a pass. Favre hit the ground and held his right knee but remained in the game. "It was one of those 'Oooh' (hits)," Favre said after the game. "It didn't particularly feel good, and it was an awkward way to fall for me." For the record, neither Newberry nor Burgess was called for a penalty on the plays in question. Also, Favre added, he doesn't think Burgess had any malicious intent. "I got hit a fair amount," Favre said. "Some seemed kind of low, but I don't think any of them were on purpose. It's kind of a vague call from a referee's standpoint. Sometimes, he's either blocked into a guy or is stumbling or falling. It just happens that way, and that's what happened on that play and the other ones." Burgess was unavailable for comment Monday. However, Raiders HC Lane Kiffin came to his defense. "There is one that you can tell he definitely slips," Kiffin said. "There's no way he was going low. I would imagine that's the one (the Packers are) specifically talking about. Being here with Derrick for a year, that's the last thing that Derrick would do. He has great respect for the game, and he has great respect for the players in the game, too."

Cheesehead Craig -> RE:The Packers (12/11/2007 11:51:41 PM)
Barnett is always looking for some percieved slight to motivate himself. There was an article in the Milwaukee paper about it a couple of weeks ago. That's all this is in regards to him. MM needs to lay off the intentional low blow thing. It wasn't intentional and Favre even said so. MM can be a bit emotional at times. It's something he needs to learn how to reign in on occasion. Sometimes these head coaches get like this and let their emotions get the better of them and say stupid things. Oh well, I'd rather have MM than not!

Jeff Jesser -> RE:The Packers (12/12/2007 6:14:45 PM)
Tice was the same way.

Guest -> RE: RE:The Packers (12/18/2007 6:17:00 PM)
Packers with only 4 Pro Bowlers...... [8D]

djskillz -> RE: RE:The Packers (12/18/2007 6:36:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske Packers with only 4 Pro Bowlers...... [8D] Guess the voters are smarter than we figured! The better teams in the NFC have better representation.

Guest -> RE: RE:The Packers (12/18/2007 7:00:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz quote: ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske Packers with only 4 Pro Bowlers...... [8D] Guess the voters are smarter than we figured! The better teams in the NFC have better representation. You would never know that the way they are talking in Packerland! Hilarious!

Lynn G. -> RE: RE:The Packers (12/18/2007 8:09:24 PM)
Let me guess Ed. They're saying there is some kind of conspiracy against them and the NFL overlooked all of their great players that deserve it more than the players of other teams?

djskillz -> RE: RE:The Packers (12/18/2007 8:28:42 PM)
eh, let them get worked up. they live in wisconsin. so they clearly have nothing better to do. [:)]

Lane Meyer -> RE: RE:The Packers (12/18/2007 11:25:35 PM)
If the Vikings were 12-2, you folks would be screaming as well. Do you guys believe Dallas deserved 11 players in? As for myself, I don't think it matters who is in the Pro Bowl. The Super Bowl is the goal and the Packers have set themselves up rather well in pursuit of that prize.

Lane Meyer -> RE: RE:The Packers (12/18/2007 11:30:34 PM)
djskillz, I saw the Vike's had 7 guys voted in. Would they be considered a better team than the Pack?

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