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Lynn G. -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/9/2008 8:56:10 PM)

... and then having his worst season ever, except for the two games they play Green Bay.  [:D]




Trekgeekscott -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/10/2008 7:21:37 AM)

I heard this morning on MSNBC that fans are taking out billboard ads in WI practically begging Favre to come back now.  Talk about pathetic.  Packer fans have to get to a point where they realize they will have to move on...and now that the Favre era is over...their chances of playoff berths and Superbowls has returned to where it was Pre-Favre, as in UNLIKELY!!!




Trekgeekscott -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/10/2008 7:46:18 AM)

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/57275

Packers think Favre will retire.  

Um, correct me if I'm wrong...but didn't he ALREADY retire?   




Lynn G. -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/10/2008 7:57:45 AM)

From that article, a quote by Mark Murphy:

quote:

No player leaves the game gracefully.


What is he talking about?   Players do that all the time.   Quietly walk away at the end of a season without calling endless press conferences to talk about whether you will or won't ...

He's trying too hard to protect Favre from looking like a buffoon.   Too late.




Duane Sampson -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/11/2008 12:27:38 PM)

    Favre's Chances of Returning at 80%
    Fri Jul 11, 2008

    NFL.com's Pat Kirwan reports an NFL insider placed QB Brett Favre's chances of returning to the NFL this season at 80 percent. Favre is throwing footballs and working out, showing that he has more than an itch to play. Favre, 38, has an 18-4 record in his last 22 games and is coming off a season in which he led the Packers offense to a No. 2 ranking in the NFL and threw for 4,155 yards and 28 touchdowns. He can still play -- he knows it and so do a number of NFL franchises just waiting to see what the Packers will do if he shows up in Green Bay for the start of training camp. If Favre notifies the league that he is ready to play again -- and I now believe he will do just that -- the Packers will face the reality that he is headed back to Titletown. Green Bay can reassemble his locker, cut a player on the roster to make room for him, use a chunk of salary cap space for his reentry and make another run at the Super Bowl. His salary of close to $12 million immediately counts against the cap and if he were to get hurt during the summer they would be responsible for the whole nut. If he's on the opening day roster, his salary is guaranteed.




David Moufang -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/11/2008 6:33:44 PM)

None of this would be happening if Ted Thompson wasn't such a prick.  Favre obviously felt snubbed by Thompson after last season, which is probably why he retired.  Everyone knows Favre wants to play.  It's just that Thompsons doesn't want him playing for the Packers.




David Levine -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/11/2008 6:37:44 PM)

Yeah, Thompson should've kept playing the begging, pleading, flying to Louisiana media circus game that Brett lives for.




Lynn G. -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/11/2008 11:12:42 PM)

David,

What's your theory as to WHY Thompson wouldn't want Favre?  Strictly from the point of view of wins and losses, he should figure Favre gives him the best chance.




thebigo -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/12/2008 8:18:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

David,

What's your theory as to WHY Thompson wouldn't want Favre?  Strictly from the point of view of wins and losses, he should figure Favre gives him the best chance.


That may not be the case. Packer management may feel that Rodgers now gives them that now. After all the Packers receiving corp rated one of the best in the NFL recently could probably make a lot of QBs look good, including Rodgers who, in his stint in the Dallas game, looked as good or better than Favre looked all year. They also figure with Rodgers they are NOT going to get the bonehead superman attempts that have ruined their most recent playoff runs.




Jeff Jesser -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/12/2008 9:30:59 AM)

I was reading the other day that its probably cap related.  He would cause a big hit if he played or got traded.  Even if he's release they'll take a hit.  




Lynn G. -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/12/2008 11:00:06 AM)

A guy from the Wisconsin Journal Sentinel was on ESPN this morning and said that Favre had called Thompson and McCarthy just a couple of weeks after his tearful retirement and said that he had changed his mind and wanted to come back.   Reportedly, they were glad to have him and arranged to fly a private jet down to Mississippi a couple of days later to finalize the deal.

But before they made the trip, Favre called them back and said he changed his mind again and now wanted to stay retired.

So perhaps Thompson is tired of jumping through Favre's hoops and would rather leave him dangling right now rather than take him back.   And they're probably on the phone with a bunch of AFC franchises to see what they could get for him in trade.

I don't blame Thompson in this scenario.  Favre has essentially been screwing with the franchise for four seasons now.   He has already been paid handsomely for all he has done for the team - they don't owe him anything else.




David Moufang -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/12/2008 1:27:12 PM)

"Screwing" with them.  Uh-huh.  13-3 and the NFC Championship Game at home.  Thompson's really taking it in the shorts, isn't he?

Look, Favre hinted after the big home loss that Thompson snubbed him, that Thompson didn't want him back.  I'll admit that, outwardly, Favre's behaviour grows more bizarre by the day.  But a lot of that impression (probably the majority) is caused by media hype searching for a story.

Now I read that Thompson & Co will not release Favre, and that he can be a backup.  Well, that certainly doesn't help anyone.  It's gonna get ugly.

Keep in mind, however, Vince Lombardi changed his mind about retiring and went to another team.  I don't have to explain to you the high esteem to which Lombardi is still held, regardless of that decision.  Still, it wasn't an annual ritual :)




Duane Sampson -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/12/2008 7:34:47 PM)

Yep. I'm impressed by Lombardi when the NFL was in it's infancy. Kinda like Red Auerbach is a genius in basketball winning all those championships in an 8 or 10 or 14 team or-whatever-it-was league .... [&o]




So.Mn.Fan -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/12/2008 7:52:17 PM)

Favre is basically just re-inforcing that terrible rumor about him, that he is a terrible teammate.
Could he have made Aaron Rodgers path any harder?
What kind of jackass leaves that kind of mess for your under-study?
Oh, that's right, he wasn't there to teach anyone anything.
So much for giving something back to the game/team/teammates/fans.  
The ultimate "me" guy.
Any success he does have (if he comes back), will be "all about him".
What team wants that?




Trekgeekscott -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/12/2008 7:53:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

A guy from the Wisconsin Journal Sentinel was on ESPN this morning and said that Favre had called Thompson and McCarthy just a couple of weeks after his tearful retirement and said that he had changed his mind and wanted to come back.   Reportedly, they were glad to have him and arranged to fly a private jet down to Mississippi a couple of days later to finalize the deal.

But before they made the trip, Favre called them back and said he changed his mind again and now wanted to stay retired.

So perhaps Thompson is tired of jumping through Favre's hoops and would rather leave him dangling right now rather than take him back.   And they're probably on the phone with a bunch of AFC franchises to see what they could get for him in trade.

I don't blame Thompson in this scenario.  Favre has essentially been screwing with the franchise for four seasons now.   He has already been paid handsomely for all he has done for the team - they don't owe him anything else.


It's not just that...the Packers drafted QBs in April after Favre's retirement... what are they supposed to do...carry 4 QBs just so Favre can have one last hurrah?  Screw the heir apparent when his rookie contract is about to expire?  The Packers made moves in the offseason to address the loss of Favre.  And now he wants to come back and they are just supposed to accept him with open arms?  He is screwing them...if not screwing with them.  They are damnd if the do and damned if they don't in this.  If they do they endanger the franchise's future for the next few years just to placate the golden boy of football, if they don't take him back they risk the entire state of Wisconsin revolting in them...




So.Mn.Fan -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/14/2008 6:41:03 PM)

I'll say it again ....
Aaron Rodgers is sure getting a nice welcome into the NFL, isn't he?
Has anyone ever entered "you're our QB" status under the umbrella of more Bullsh!t?
I honestly feel sorry for the dude.




Guest -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/14/2008 9:45:45 PM)

OH MY!

I just saw Butt Favre's interview on Greta's Van "murder of the week"  show. You know the tough chick on Fox??

Well, #4 is laying the entire packer team UNDER the bus because NOW he wants to play football again.

Can you believe this crap??

He keeps yapping about how they FORCED him to retire on March 3rd etc.

I really believe this guy is INSANE.  I could hardly watch the interview and Greta gushed the whole time because she is an avid pucker fan.

At least the packer organization told him they had to move on. However now Butt Farve wants to still play. Poor Aaron Rodgers!!!





Lynn G. -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/14/2008 10:19:36 PM)

I didn't know she is a Packer fan.  I was hoping it would be someone who asked him the tough questions - but then of course he wouldn't have done the interview.

I missed it and will have to wait for the link on YouTube.




Guest -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/14/2008 10:29:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

I didn't know she is a Packer fan.  I was hoping it would be someone who asked him the tough questions - but then of course he wouldn't have done the interview.

I missed it and will have to wait for the link on YouTube.


Yes, Greta is a life long packer fan. I believe she has season tickets.

You can still catch part deux tomorrow night if you have the stomache for it. Honestly, I don't think I can take one more second of this clown. I can't stand the packers, but I can't stand Favre more.




Lynn G. -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/14/2008 10:33:00 PM)

Judi,

I've always been in the "can't stand another minute of Brett Favre" crowd too - but somehow all of this negative news is kind of invigorating.  It was kind of like when the rumors started last season that he was on HGH - now THAT was news I didn't mind reading.  [:D]




Todd M -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/15/2008 6:34:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Purpleporter

OH MY!

I just saw Butt Favre's interview on Greta's Van "murder of the week"  show. You know the tough chick on Fox??

Well, #4 is laying the entire packer team UNDER the bus because NOW he wants to play football again.

Can you believe this crap??

He keeps yapping about how they FORCED him to retire on March 3rd etc.

I really believe this guy is INSANE.  I could hardly watch the interview and Greta gushed the whole time because she is an avid pucker fan.

At least the packer organization told him they had to move on. However now Butt Farve wants to still play. Poor Aaron Rodgers!!!




I can actually understand where Favre is coming from. He was pressured to make a decision by March and he honored that with how he felt in March.

Most people who knew him could sense that there was an opening there for him to change his mind. Even McCarthy could sense it, and it happened.

Like him or not, want him or not he's really not doing anything wrong.




squeeds -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/15/2008 7:55:50 AM)

Maybe it is because of my viking loyalty, but this Favre crap makes me chuckle a bit. 
I guess I think that it was a simple request, "Hey Brett, we need a decision from you before the draft as to what you want to do".  The TEAM comes first before Butt.  Even though I hate the pack, Brett was an incredible talent in the right place and has secured his place in NFL history.  However, that doesn't entitle him to do what he wants when he wants.  I'll play, no I don't wanna, I'll play, no I don't wanna...BOOHOO the packers don't like me anymore.  He simply brought all of this on himself.  Thompson is simply being a businessman.




Lynn G. -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/15/2008 8:22:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd Mallett

I can actually understand where Favre is coming from. He was pressured to make a decision by March and he honored that with how he felt in March.

Most people who knew him could sense that there was an opening there for him to change his mind. Even McCarthy could sense it, and it happened.

Like him or not, want him or not he's really not doing anything wrong.


I don't see it that way.  First of all - he had waffled for FOUR CONSECUTIVE SEASONS!  Each offseason he left them hanging and they went into the draft and free agency not sure of Favre's plans.   I don't blame them one single bit for pushing for an earlier deadline this time - saying we have to know one way or another so we can make some decisions come draft time.  The draft is in April - I think forcing him to decide in March is extremely reasonable.

He admits that he tried to force them into decisions about Moss, Rivera and Wahle.  He's not the GM!  He continually thinks he's above the game, above the team.   And then he pouts when they don't build the team around his buddies.

My take is that he is a diva and a prima-donna and thinks that the world revolves around him - and the understanding that the team may have other ideas is a bitter pill for him to swallow (no pun intended).




Duane Sampson -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/15/2008 9:06:45 AM)

Favre Suggests Packers Lied
Tue Jul 15, 2008

The Green Bay Press-Gazette reports Packers QB Brett Favre made his first public comments Monday since the team rejected his request for his release. He stated repeatedly that the team has told him he is no longer welcome in Green Bay. The roughly 11-minute segment, which appeared on the Fox News program "On the Record with Greta Van Susteren," did nothing to disprove the perception that there is a growing schism between the three-time NFL MVP and the team for which he starred the past 16 seasons. If anything, that gap opened wider as Favre suggested the team was lying publicly about its discussions with him, wants to prevent him from playing elsewhere — though he noted he "may not play anywhere" — and is patronizing him by suggesting publicly he could return but might not start. "I'm guilty of one thing, and that's retiring early, and I have an answer for that," said Favre, who has made few televised remarks since his tearful retirement speech on March 6. "I knew that I would have second thoughts, and I think HC Mike McCarthy has even made the comment that, 'You know, I knew Brett would go through this. I knew that he would have these second thoughts.' Well, I am. And so, I mean, you're telling me playing (in Green Bay) is not an option, but playing elsewhere, 'We just can't... we're trying to protect your legacy.' Well, thank you, I appreciate that. But apparently now, they want to protect my legacy by bringing me back and having me be a backup. Boy, that, that is really good." Favre's remarks were a direct answer to those made Saturday by McCarthy and GM Ted Thompson, who told the Green Bay Press-Gazette he was open to Favre's return but "the scenery has changed." While Favre repeatedly told Van Susteren he understood the team had to move on, he strongly suggested his decision to retire was impacted by the organization's insistence on having a decision early in the offseason. "Am I mad at them for that? No," he said. "And I think that's what needs to be cleared up, is that, hey, you wanted an answer? I gave you the honest answer at that time, as opposed to lying to you and saying, 'Yeah, oh yeah, I'll come back,' and giving you not what's expected of me, and that's 100 percent effort." Favre described in detail his recollection of a June 20 phone conversation with McCarthy, which was the impetus for the comeback talk that has made waves the past two weeks. Favre said he told McCarthy he'd gotten over the mental hurdle, begun working out at a local high school and was thinking about returning, then asked for McCarthy's thoughts. According to Favre, McCarthy said, "'We moved on. I had to tell the team something... You told me you were not 100 percent committed back, not only when you retired, but several weeks (after). We were talking about coming down there (in late March), and we've had that conversation, and you said you were not 100 percent committed.' I said, 'You're right. You're absolutely right.' And I said, 'But Mike' — and it was a good conversation, and we've always had good communication, the two of us — and I said, 'You're right. I totally agree. I was not 100 percent committed.' And I said, 'But you guys wanted an answer, in March, and I gave you the honest answer... Had I been able to wait until training camp, that would have been great.' He said, 'Well, why didn't you tell me that? We would have let you do it.'" But Favre said he did tell the team that initially and was pushed to make up his mind before the NFL draft, in which the Packers selected two quarterbacks, Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn, to back up new starting QB Aaron Rodgers.




Lynn G. -> RE: RE:The Packers (7/15/2008 10:09:24 AM)

Just the notion that he even thought it would be reasonable for him to wait until training camp to make his decision boggles the mind.   After all these years, does he not have any concept of what a team has to do during the offseason to prepare?   Waiting for training camp would have completely hamstrung the organization.  

If he doesn't know that - he really is a mental gidget.




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