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TheGonz -> RE: The Packers (7/16/2010 6:38:06 PM)

Jolly suspended for the season by the NFL.

Among those alleged extraneous offenses: That Jolly "bought, sold, funded, transported and aided in the buying, selling, funding and transportation of illegal narcotics including cocaine and marijuana" in Harris County from 2006 through May 2008.

The prosecutor also intends to introduce evidence that during the same period, Jolly was seen smoking marijuana and consuming liquid codeine; that Jolly "showed deception" during a polygraph test this month when asked about his use of alcohol, marijuana and street narcotics while on bond since December 15; and that he has attended nightclubs and bars and consumed alcohol since December, in violation of his bond.



TheGonz -> RE: The Packers (7/16/2010 6:39:46 PM)

And just to show that it's not all negative, there's some good news about the Packers, too.

Mark Chmura is going to be inducted into their Hall of Fame.

Congratulations to him. . .by all accounts, it's going to be the oldest thing he's entered in quite some time.



thebigo -> RE: The Packers (7/16/2010 10:39:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheGonz

Jolly suspended for the season by the NFL.

Among those alleged extraneous offenses: That Jolly "bought, sold, funded, transported and aided in the buying, selling, funding and transportation of illegal narcotics including cocaine and marijuana" in Harris County from 2006 through May 2008.

The prosecutor also intends to introduce evidence that during the same period, Jolly was seen smoking marijuana and consuming liquid codeine; that Jolly "showed deception" during a polygraph test this month when asked about his use of alcohol, marijuana and street narcotics while on bond since December 15; and that he has attended nightclubs and bars and consumed alcohol since December, in violation of his bond.


The guy must REALLY want to get picked up by the Conboys. Or Philthy.



Cheesehead Craig -> RE: The Packers (9/7/2010 10:57:02 AM)

Season Preview
 
I know you've all been waiting for this.[;)]  Here's my review of the team:
 
Offense
It's elite and there's no question about it.  Rodgers is a legit MVP candidate and the Packers have one of the top WR corps in the league.  TE Jermichael Finley is going to have a monster season as the Pack are going to feature him more and more.  He's just a freak and very difficult for anyone to cover.  Something that was pointed out to me about the Packers run game, while not dominant it's pretty good.  Since he became the starter in game 6 of 2007, Ryan Grant has the 2nd most rushing yards only behind AP.  Puts him in a different light for me about how good he's been.  The offensive line is healthy and there's not the issues there were at the beginning of last year when we didn't know who was starting where.  I expect the pass protection to be much more like the 2nd half of last season where they gave up 14 sacks over the last 8 games (with 36 the prev 8) as the Oline has the same starters.  The cohesion is finally happening there.
 
Defense
This is going to be where the season is won or lost.  Historically Capers' defenses have declined in year 2 and this preseason he's been as vanilla as it gets after showing off last preseason.  It appears he's saving things for the regular season.  The DL depth is good even without Jolly, who's gone.  I expect the run defense to be as solid as it was last season.  The LBs are good overall with Matthews as a stud assuming his hammy can keep him on the field.  Jones was to be the other OLB but he's been hurt so it's been a bit of a revolving door there.  The big problem is in the secondary though.  Woodson's just outstanding and much like Donald Driver on offense, he seems to just get better with age.  Collins has really stepped up his play and is a very good safety.  The problem lies with everyone else.  Williams is a decent cover guy but still gets burned far too often.  Shields is a rookie who is being converted to CB from WR and is talked about as either the nickel or dime back.  He's got insane speed and great instincts but he's still a rookie being converted to a new position.  Lee and Underwood haven't really been that good and Bush is a hump and it still baffles me how he's still on the roster.  He's likely only holding a spot until Harris gets back.  Rookie S Morgan Burnett is looking like a good player.  The Pack are very high on him and was given the starters job from the start and has definately earned it.  However, he's still a rookie. The pass defense is questionable at best.  I'm not sure where any additional pass rush is going to come from.
 
Special Teams
Been hot and cold this preseason.  Crosby has a heck of a leg but had a down year last year.  The return game hasn't been anything special and there's talk of Jennings possibly returning punts.  The coverage units for both have been blech.  I fully expect at least 2 special team TDs against us this season.
 
Summary
The offense should be something fun to watch this season.  The defense has to show they can rush the passer and have some semblance of coverage.  To me it appears that TT and Capers are hoping that when Harris comes back after week 6 things will just be better in the secondary.  While I've heard that Harris is making phenominal progress in his rehab, that's a hell of a matso ball to be pinning your pass coverage hopes on.  The rookies on D are going to have to grow up quickly.
 
Overall, this team should be no worse than 11-5 and challenging for the division title again.  A one and done playoff run would not go over very well.  This team needs to get to the NFC Championship at least.
 
Players to watch (not the superstars):
SS Morgan Burnett - I think he could have a very surprising season.  Just has a knack for being in the right place.
RB Brandon Jackson - Had his best camp ever and finally 100% healthy.  I look for him to play a much bigger role this season
LB Frank Zombo - Has one of those "endless motors" and is a special steams demon.  Pass rushing specialist is how he'll be used.  He's the 8th LB on the team but he's winning over the fans and coaches.



Lynn G. -> RE: The Packers (9/7/2010 11:09:56 AM)

This is a good time of the year Craig - when we can all be optimistic, yet guardedly cautious. Reality is about to hit and we all hope it's going to be a good ride. Hope to see you on the board regularly this season.



John Childress -> RE: The Packers (9/7/2010 11:38:21 AM)

HI Craig,

I agree

You have to win at least 1 playoff game this year and I expect you don't want to be swept by the Vikings!



marty -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 4:19:30 PM)

"Interesting" that the Packers are getting the calls on the road. There are 5 penalties on Philly early in this game, 0 on the Packers. One of the penalties was an offensive PI on the Eagles' Celek, that even the biased Packer radio announcers I was listening to couldn't see.

The Eagles FB Weaver got knocked out of the game by a Packer going below the knees. It didn't look dirty, just incidental.

The Eagles were really coming with heat early in the game, especially Cole beating Clifton. They had 3 sacks of Rodgers, and might have had more of the refs hadn't been helping out the Packers. The Eagles are also doing a good job of stopping Grant early on.

I was surprised the refs were helping the Pack as the spread was low, Pack by 3, for a team all the experts are picking to win the SB. I would have suspected most of the money would have been on the Pack, therefore I thought it might be one of the games where the Eagles get all the calls so they have a chance to cover the spread. Then again, maybe more of the bettors thought what I thought and there was more action on the Eagles. OR it could be that they favor the Pack early, and the Eagles late if it's a close game, so people don't notice the late bias because the penalties end up being close in the box score.



David Levine -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 4:44:22 PM)

You know what else it could be?

Bear with me, this is a pretty "out there" theory.

Hang on, I'm shutting my blinds and turning off my cel phone.

Ready?

Maybe the Eagles are just committing more penalties than the Packers?



marty -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 5:02:56 PM)

And the 6th penalty is on the Eagles. Guess what it is ? How do they 'sway' a game ? Holding on one teams' OL, and calls and non-calls of PI. The 6th penalty was a hold on the Eagles after a nice 9 yard gain on 1st down, and the holding penalty killed their drive.

Maybe it helps to be the critics' choice ? Maybe there is sometimes a favored outcome ? I know quite a few people who don't think the refs messing with games is far out at all. It's quite elementary.

Maybe the Eagles just ARE making more penalties ? I suppose it's POSSIBLE. Refs are human, sometimes they just see things in a somewhat one sided way in favor of the home. Oops, this game is at Philly ....

Penalty number 7 goes against the Pack. What are they doing making a call against GB, is this ref not in on it ? Or are they just trying to make the bias look less obvious by calling SOMETHING against GB ? I suppose it was too obvious as it was a Packer guard trying to trip an Eagle. Also interesting, was Aikmen saying he didn't see trip, went babbling on about there being no trip, and then as the replay is showed, "Oh I guess that was a pretty good trip".



marty -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 5:30:16 PM)

Penalty number goes against the Eagles, now it's 8 on Philly, 1 on GB.

Clay Matthews who knocked out Kolb, just got away with leading with his helmet on a hit on Vick. Maybe the refs don't like the dog thing. It wasn't a late hit. I'm just waiting for Vick to make some big plays, and then have them get turned back with a holding penalty.

A big run by Vick, must have been about 40 yards, maybe more. Now a 2 yard TD for McCoy. Guess what, oops .... a holding penalty on Philly. [;)] Next play Woodson gets away with getting there early and breaks up a pass attempt. The next play, quite a run by McCoy for a TD. A 'maybe biased' announcer points out that there might have been a missed hold on the Packers' Raji, but you couldn't see much on the replay. Was that announcer watching (or looking) for holds on the Packers' OL on their TD drive, right before this drive by the Eagles ?

It's a good thing the Packers didn't have any holding penalties on their last drive, that might have slowed them down and got the Eagles pass rush, which has been blowing away the Pack OL, going. I DID like the adjustment by GBs' OC to run on the Eagles defense.



David Levine -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 5:33:25 PM)

You know what I think happened?

The league has been planning for this game for so long that they had the officials make Philly the 3rd most penalized team in the league last year - so it wouldn't look fishy when they 'swayed' today's game.

Ingenious.



marty -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 5:36:30 PM)

Irrelevant.



David Levine -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 5:38:44 PM)

Yet no less likely than your theory. If you look hard enough for a conspiracy, you're going to see one.

Notice I said "see" and not "find".



marty -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 5:50:43 PM)

Packers playing well, but you can't ignore the dynamics of the game were well influenced by 9 penalties against the Eagles, 1 against the Pack.

I was impressed by GBs' playcalling, and the Eagles' DC was also making good calls.

GBs' defense looked good against Kolb who looked bad, inexperienced. Vick comes in and shows he is BACK. This could have been a different game if Vick had started it. It's seems it's too late now with the Eagles down by 17 at the start of the 4th quarter.

Stupid penalty by an Eagle running into a punt returner who did a fair catch. I guess that excuses ALL the other penalties, there was NO attempt to 'sway' this game, the Eagles are just an undisciplined team. It's IMPOSSIBLE that this hit was a result of a sense of urgency to bring the Eagles back in the game, that might not have happened had the Packers not benefitted from favoritism from the refs for the 1st 3 quarter. This hit undoubtedly WOULD have happened in a close game, the Eagles are just an undisciplined team.

ANY talk of officials' affecting the dynamics of a game is rubbish. They are 100% nonbiased, just humans doing a good job of seeing and not seeing violations at super speeds.



David Levine -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 5:54:22 PM)

Better.



marty -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 6:00:29 PM)

Charles Woodson just committed one of the best holds, and hugs before the ball got there that I've ever seen on 3rd down and 2, and WAS flagged for it. Maybe they can call a few things on the Packers as long as the score isn't too close? We'll see if they tighten things up if the Eagles come back.

Vick looks VERY good, very accurate passes, and running just like he used to. Barnett just got away with a mugging (not as good as Woodson's, the fans are boing. Typcial Eagle fans. The next play, the Packers blitz and Vick is sacked. That might not have happened had Barnett got away with PI, but the very next play Vick hits a nice pass for a TD.

Slow 1st half, but now the points are coming. Probably too late for the Eagles, but Vick is making it interesting.



marty -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 6:06:37 PM)

Eagles making it interesting, bringing the heat, and Rodgers just threw a pick, the Eagles have the ball at midfield. Ten minutes left in the game, will the Eagles keep coming or will they bite themselves in the foot with penalties ?



marty -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 6:23:09 PM)

Vick is light years ahead of Kolb, but Ried is dumb enough to go back to Cobb.

I didn't think Vick would take over until about week 10, but here he is in game and looking pretty good. Vick did NOT make a good pass on 2nd and goal at the 8. Jackson was wide open in the middle, Vick didn't see him, and when he finally did he threw it in there too late where a defender was able to knock the ball down.

The Eagles' OL looked poor with Cobb in there, but now looks serviceable with Vick in there. It seems like a pretty average OL, but they DID do a job of blitz pickup since Vick has been in there.

Vick is a GREAT runner, good on short passes, quick stuff. He also has a good deep ball, but his weakness is the intermediate routes and seeing those fast enough as they are happening. He is VERY fun to watch. The Eagles fans will want RC#2 to continue.

Clay Matthews hits HARD. He's probably going to take out a few QBs this year, coming from the other side. Packers dodged a bullet, Eagles really came on in the 4th quarter, offense and defense. GREAT play by Matthews to stop Vick and end the game.



marty -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 6:27:24 PM)

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John Childress -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 7:18:08 PM)

If Vick plays that whole game, the Eagles win.



marty -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 7:55:26 PM)

I'm surprised you'd say that John. I had the same sense, but we don't really know.

Maybe Vick would have thrown some picks early on, or fumbled, or incompletions, or got sacked, or came up short like he did at the end. I thought it was a BAD playcall on the Eagles if they called a planned run on that 4th and 1. I would think you might have better success with a strong back like McCoy, especially since McCoy was running so well on the Pack in the game.

Vick looked Sharp, but maybe the Packer defense isn't that great. A running QB is a GREAT weapon when you get a defense that cheats and blankets WRs with no regards for the PI rules. They're so tight with the WRs, they don't what to do when a QB takes off running, and Vick is the BEST running QB I've ever seen. He looked like he was in midseason form.

Vick is quite exciting to watch, quite a weapon. What I do NOT trust Andy Ried to do is to make Vick better at reading defenses and getting good at the intermediate passes. His passes look right on target, but WRs in Atlanta, and now a few in Philly drop some of the passes that are right to them. Is a left handed QB harder to catch, or is it just harder to get used to ?



John Childress -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 8:48:43 PM)

The difference was in the QB's eyes. Kolb was scared out there and in way over his head. Vick attacked them instead of being attacked



Cheesehead Craig -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 9:06:19 PM)

Packers 27 - Iggles 20

What was that I was saying about the Packers' OL? [:o] I should have went the safe route by saying they would start out slow like the last 5 seasons, that was brutal in the first quarter. The Iggles were all over Rodgers early on and they couldn't open up many holes consistently for the running game. The Pack started running and stuck with it though so kudos to MM for not staying with the pass-happy offense.

Rodgers played a very good game I thought given he had to run for his life too often. That 2nd INT might have been turned into a huge gain by Driver had the pass not been horribly overthrown as he had 2 steps on the defender.

Fantastic one-handed catch by Jennings.

Holy crap Clay Matthews is a stud. He doesn't have a slow down switch let alone an off one. I shouldn't be surprised given last season's success, but he's just amazing.

The pass rush was good, but Vick made them pay when they did get a good rush. Vick is a hell of an athlete and boy can he run. I agree as well that Reid is foolish if he doesn't keep starting him as he's obviously superior to Kolb. The pass coverage was at times good as Williams and Woodson played well. The rookie Shields got schooled on TD pass to Maclin. Teams are going to start picking on him so he better step it up.

The special teams that I was worried about played a real good game. Nelson may not be a flashy returner but makes solid decisions and has good vision.

Two of my players to watch had good games. Jackson steps in for Grant and does very well running the ball with 63 yds and LB Frank Zombo comes in and gets the sack, however a TD was given up right after it; but still not too shabby for an undrafted FA.

A win is a win. Both teams weren't all that good looking at times but I'll take the result.



John Childress -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 9:18:12 PM)

Amen Craig

No such thing as an ugly win

Vick may not ever be a great QB, but boy is he fun to watch

I remember years ago saying GB got a steal with Rodgers and SF blew it taking Alex The Bust II Smith



Lynn G. -> RE: The Packers (9/12/2010 10:45:05 PM)

Clay Matthews is a good player but my god that hair is atrocious.

If Vick had decided to run instead of throw on that play at about the 10 yard line at the end, I think they would have won.



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