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twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (3/22/2015 5:54:12 PM)

In a new column from ESPN's Buster Olney, Verlander says that teams are spending too much time coddling pitchers before they reach the big leagues. In doing so, Verlander adds, teams are only managing to delay the inevitable breakdown until they start counting on those arms as major league contributors, which ends up costing them even more.

“I think baseball coddles guys so much now that you delay the inevitable. I think the reason you see so many big leaguers blowing out at a young age is because they would have done it before. But now teams limit pitch counts so much, even at the major league level, that now a guy in his second or third year will pop, when it would have happened in the minors.

“Before,” he continued, “when there wasn’t such an emphasis on pitch counts, I think you kind of weeded that out. Then guys would have surgery [in the minor leagues]. Then they’d come back. And then they’d get to the big leagues.”

In essence, Verlander is suggesting that teams turn their young pitchers loose and hope the blowout comes sooner than later. Based on recent statistics, particularly the numbers of pitchers requiring Tommy John surgery on a yearly basis, it almost sounds like a logical approach. However, as Dr. Glenn Fleisig counters, a lot more goes into the breakdown of each individual pitcher.

As the research director at Dr. James Andrews’ American Sports Medicine Institute, Fleisig has studied countless numbers of elbow injuries. He's looked at when they occurred, how a pitcher felt leading up to the injury and the extent of the damage. His findings suggest that poor mechanics and pitching while fatigued are often the biggest factors, which honestly sounds like a victory for coddling.

“I have tremendous respect for Justin Verlander. You and I are not Justin Verlander. We’ve never thrown 200 innings in the major leagues, or even one inning. So he has a different perspective than we have. But I also have a different perspective. I have science.”

"With biomechanics, we can now identify who has poor mechanics, and there are a lot of progressive organizations that are now modifying kids' mechanics in the minor leagues after they're drafted and as they develop."

Science is a powerful tool, no question about it. And the beautiful thing about this is method is the acknowledgement that no two pitchers are created the same. There are pitchers like Verlander, who are simply structurally and mechanically superior. There are pitchers who need to be coddled or molded. And there are pitchers in between, who can be turned loose but should be monitored.

All such pitchers exist, and the key to helping each of them succeed is to correctly identify where they fall. So no, Verlander isn't necessarily wrong. He just knows what works for him, and at 32 years old, there's no reason to change that thinking.




lylej -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (3/22/2015 6:29:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

In a new column from ESPN's Buster Olney, Verlander says that teams are spending too much time coddling pitchers before they reach the big leagues. In doing so, Verlander adds, teams are only managing to delay the inevitable breakdown until they start counting on those arms as major league contributors, which ends up costing them even more.

“I think baseball coddles guys so much now that you delay the inevitable. I think the reason you see so many big leaguers blowing out at a young age is because they would have done it before. But now teams limit pitch counts so much, even at the major league level, that now a guy in his second or third year will pop, when it would have happened in the minors.

“Before,” he continued, “when there wasn’t such an emphasis on pitch counts, I think you kind of weeded that out. Then guys would have surgery [in the minor leagues]. Then they’d come back. And then they’d get to the big leagues.”

In essence, Verlander is suggesting that teams turn their young pitchers loose and hope the blowout comes sooner than later. Based on recent statistics, particularly the numbers of pitchers requiring Tommy John surgery on a yearly basis, it almost sounds like a logical approach. However, as Dr. Glenn Fleisig counters, a lot more goes into the breakdown of each individual pitcher.

As the research director at Dr. James Andrews’ American Sports Medicine Institute, Fleisig has studied countless numbers of elbow injuries. He's looked at when they occurred, how a pitcher felt leading up to the injury and the extent of the damage. His findings suggest that poor mechanics and pitching while fatigued are often the biggest factors, which honestly sounds like a victory for coddling.

“I have tremendous respect for Justin Verlander. You and I are not Justin Verlander. We’ve never thrown 200 innings in the major leagues, or even one inning. So he has a different perspective than we have. But I also have a different perspective. I have science.”

"With biomechanics, we can now identify who has poor mechanics, and there are a lot of progressive organizations that are now modifying kids' mechanics in the minor leagues after they're drafted and as they develop."

Science is a powerful tool, no question about it. And the beautiful thing about this is method is the acknowledgement that no two pitchers are created the same. There are pitchers like Verlander, who are simply structurally and mechanically superior. There are pitchers who need to be coddled or molded. And there are pitchers in between, who can be turned loose but should be monitored.

All such pitchers exist, and the key to helping each of them succeed is to correctly identify where they fall. So no, Verlander isn't necessarily wrong. He just knows what works for him, and at 32 years old, there's no reason to change that thinking.



Amen....Twins Organization big culprit!




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (3/26/2015 2:00:59 PM)

This week has seen both John Buck and Heath Bell retire. Signed combined $45 million worth of deals with #Marlins a few years back.

2 reasons why MLB contracts should not be fully guaranteed. NFL players are envious of them,and the NBA




Stacey King -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (3/27/2015 1:35:54 PM)

Always fascinated when a player gets the yips, ever since I was a kid when Dave Engle had trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher as a Twin.
Sax, Knoblauch, Rick Ankiel...


Diamondbacks catching prospect Peter O'Brien played the outfield in a minor league game for the second straight day Thursday. O'Brien has had major issues this month in throwing the ball back to the pitcher, so the Diamondbacks are going to keep him away from the catcher position for the time being. "I think he's going to play some outfield (once the minor league season starts) and catching isn't out of the question, but we're still talking internally to figure out what's best for him," farm director Mike Bell said. The D'Backs were reluctant over the winter to pursue an upgrade at catcher mainly because they believed O'Brien would be ready to take over at the position in short order. Obviously, they didn't envision the 24-year-old developing a case of the yips. O'Brien was re-assigned to minor league camp earlier this week.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (3/27/2015 1:40:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Always fascinated when a player gets the yips, ever since I was a kid when Dave Engle had trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher as a Twin.
Sax, Knoblauch, Rick Ankiel...


Diamondbacks catching prospect Peter O'Brien played the outfield in a minor league game for the second straight day Thursday. O'Brien has had major issues this month in throwing the ball back to the pitcher, so the Diamondbacks are going to keep him away from the catcher position for the time being. "I think he's going to play some outfield (once the minor league season starts) and catching isn't out of the question, but we're still talking internally to figure out what's best for him," farm director Mike Bell said. The D'Backs were reluctant over the winter to pursue an upgrade at catcher mainly because they believed O'Brien would be ready to take over at the position in short order. Obviously, they didn't envision the 24-year-old developing a case of the yips. O'Brien was re-assigned to minor league camp earlier this week.



I wonder if they have a worthless relief pitcher that we can trade Josmil Pinto for?




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (3/31/2015 10:46:15 AM)

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/watch-russell-wilson-crush-a-home-run-at-rangers-camp-162737710.html




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (3/31/2015 10:48:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/watch-russell-wilson-crush-a-home-run-at-rangers-camp-162737710.html


Jealous.

Very.

Natural ability. Good for him.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/1/2015 11:10:49 AM)

Questions surrounding Verlanders arm ramping up, forearm cramps. Right triceps issue.
The Tigers pitching staff and pen ... Are certainly questionable at this point.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/1/2015 11:22:36 AM)

Score 1 for KC

Marlins right-handed reliever Aaron Crow will likely need Tommy John surgery after an MRI revealed a ligament tear, Joe Frisaro of MLB.com reports on Twitter. Miami added Crow in late November in a trade that cost the team lefty Brian Flynn.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/1/2015 11:28:30 AM)

Toronto going younger in some areas.

Why don't the Twins try this vs their stupid crap they do??

Two key spots on the lineup will be manned by promising young prospects, as Dalton Pompey was named the center fielder (as was widely expected) and Devon Travis was named the starting second baseman. As MLB.com’s Gregor Chisholm writes, the two prospects have been friends since 2013 — before Travis was even acquired from the Tigers in exchange for Anthony Gose this offseason. One of the first calls Travis received upon being traded to Toronto was from Pompey, with whom he had maintained contact after meeting at the 2013 MidWest All-Star Game. Travis emotionally called today the “best day of [his] life,” adding that it was “incredible” to know he’d be a part of a Major League roster.

Pompey and Travis will be just two of six rookies on the roster, as Shi Davidi of Sportsnet reported today that 20-year-olds Miguel Castro and Roberto Osuna have made the team and will pitch out of the bullpen. Both hard-throwing righties impressed scouts this spring, as they combined for 20 innings (10 each) of one-run ball with 18 strikeouts against just three walks (all from Osuna). Rookies Daniel Norris and Aaron Sanchez will be in the rotation with Marcus Stroman out for the season.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/1/2015 11:29:58 AM)

Twins have this highly (OVERRATED at this point) farm system, yet how many rooks are making the team out of ST, on a LAST PLACE TEAM??


TRyan: DINOSAUR




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/1/2015 12:41:55 PM)

It's freakish to watch Bartolo Colon still winging it for the Mets today
I'd say it has to be his kid, or quite possibly, his grandkid.
Dude was old when I was young. Fairly young ...




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/1/2015 1:25:53 PM)

Experts saying the Giants look like the worst team in baseball.
Betting the Giants and their fans aren't panicking.
[&:]
What an incredible run they've been on.
Best-kept secret in sports. Been great to their fan base.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/1/2015 1:27:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Experts saying the Giants look like the worst team in baseball.
Betting the Giants and their fans aren't panicking.
[&:]
What an incredible run they've been on.
Best-kept secret in sports. Been great to their fan base.



I'm willing to bet that they will finish ahead of MN in w/l before it's all done this year.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/1/2015 1:28:31 PM)

Can't wait till Bert and Ernie take some pokes at em.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/2/2015 7:11:18 AM)

Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that Athletics outfielder Coco Crisp‘s problematic right elbow is expected to require surgery to remove a bone spur — an operation that would sideline him for six to eight weeks.

The 35-year-old Crisp had been slated to move from center field to left field this season, as the A’s were set to deploy a platoon of Sam Fuld and Craig Gentry in center. With Crisp out for an extended period of time and right fielder Josh Reddick likely to open on the DL as well (though Reddick isn’t expected to need much time there), the Athletics’ outfield depth will be tested quickly.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/2/2015 11:21:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that Athletics outfielder Coco Crisp‘s problematic right elbow is expected to require surgery to remove a bone spur — an operation that would sideline him for six to eight weeks.

The 35-year-old Crisp had been slated to move from center field to left field this season, as the A’s were set to deploy a platoon of Sam Fuld and Craig Gentry in center. With Crisp out for an extended period of time and right fielder Josh Reddick likely to open on the DL as well (though Reddick isn’t expected to need much time there), the Athletics’ outfield depth will be tested quickly.


Oops. Drafted him again.




sixthwi -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/2/2015 12:13:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that Athletics outfielder Coco Crisp‘s problematic right elbow is expected to require surgery to remove a bone spur — an operation that would sideline him for six to eight weeks.

The 35-year-old Crisp had been slated to move from center field to left field this season, as the A’s were set to deploy a platoon of Sam Fuld and Craig Gentry in center. With Crisp out for an extended period of time and right fielder Josh Reddick likely to open on the DL as well (though Reddick isn’t expected to need much time there), the Athletics’ outfield depth will be tested quickly.


Oops. Drafted him again.


There's a shock [&:]




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/3/2015 9:03:00 AM)

The Bottom 7:

24. Houston Astros (70-92; Previous: 25) – Well, now that a young man’s undergone surgery and has his arm in a cast, everybody can feel a little better.

25. Atlanta Braves (79-83; Previous: 18) – Buck retires. So, turns out, it stops in Orlando.

26. Texas Rangers (67-95; Previous: 29) – On way up from cellar, important to hold onto Banister.

27. Minnesota Twins (70-92; Previous: 27) – Molitor starting to understand why Gardenhire seemed so happy.

28. Colorado Rockies (66-96; Previous: 28) – New AP Stylebook bans “dingers,” Rockies forced to retire mascot.

29. Arizona Diamondbacks (64-98; Previous: 30) – Realistic D’backs feel they are a year or two from contending in NL West, could however make immediate waves in True Baseball Team division.

30. Philadelphia Phillies (73-89; Previous: 23) – Wait’ll the weepy Villanova piccolo player gets a load of the local baseball team.




sixthwi -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/3/2015 11:11:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

The Bottom 7:

24. Houston Astros (70-92; Previous: 25) – Well, now that a young man’s undergone surgery and has his arm in a cast, everybody can feel a little better.

25. Atlanta Braves (79-83; Previous: 18) – Buck retires. So, turns out, it stops in Orlando.

26. Texas Rangers (67-95; Previous: 29) – On way up from cellar, important to hold onto Banister.

27. Minnesota Twins (70-92; Previous: 27) – Molitor starting to understand why Gardenhire seemed so happy.

28. Colorado Rockies (66-96; Previous: 28) – New AP Stylebook bans “dingers,” Rockies forced to retire mascot.

29. Arizona Diamondbacks (64-98; Previous: 30) – Realistic D’backs feel they are a year or two from contending in NL West, could however make immediate waves in True Baseball Team division.

30. Philadelphia Phillies (73-89; Previous: 23) – Wait’ll the weepy Villanova piccolo player gets a load of the local baseball team.


I'd put one or both of Colorado or Arizona ahead of the Twins. I'll be savings more money this year not getting mlb extra innings. [:(]




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/3/2015 12:13:53 PM)

Los Angeles Angels outfielder Josh Hamilton will not be suspended by Major League Baseball for suffering a relapse in his sobriety, the league announced on Friday.

An outside arbitrator ruled that Hamilton's conduct did not violate his treatment program, and thus MLB cannot suspended or discipline the player. The league's office of the commissioner said it disagrees with the decision, and "will seek to address deficiencies in the manner in which drugs of abuse are addressed under [MLB's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program] in the collective bargaining process."




lylej -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/3/2015 12:37:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Los Angeles Angels outfielder Josh Hamilton will not be suspended by Major League Baseball for suffering a relapse in his sobriety, the league announced on Friday.

An outside arbitrator ruled that Hamilton's conduct did not violate his treatment program, and thus MLB cannot suspended or discipline the player. The league's office of the commissioner said it disagrees with the decision, and "will seek to address deficiencies in the manner in which drugs of abuse are addressed under [MLB's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program] in the collective bargaining process."



As the Commissioner should!




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/3/2015 3:12:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lylej

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Los Angeles Angels outfielder Josh Hamilton will not be suspended by Major League Baseball for suffering a relapse in his sobriety, the league announced on Friday.

An outside arbitrator ruled that Hamilton's conduct did not violate his treatment program, and thus MLB cannot suspended or discipline the player. The league's office of the commissioner said it disagrees with the decision, and "will seek to address deficiencies in the manner in which drugs of abuse are addressed under [MLB's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program] in the collective bargaining process."



As the Commissioner should!


Wait.

A Commissioner can't just act unilaterally and suspend a player randomly for whatever number of games suits his fancy?




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/6/2015 2:47:07 PM)

Come to Wrigley and enjoy..........


http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/04/05/chicago-cubs-wrigley-field-renovation-bathroom-lines-opening-night




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/6/2015 2:51:30 PM)

BP in Milwaukee

Morny 0-3

not missing the magician at this point,are those Rox




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