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Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 2:29:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dave E Agree with both of those posts. Very solid. The arguments I'm continually seeing on Morris are bordering on the silly. Apparently, "most Game 1s started" is a great way of analyzing a pitcher's entire career. Morris was good. Very good. Scrappy. But just like Dave Stieb who was about as good in the same era...he's not HOF worthy. I truly believe he's stayed on the ballot this long because of his WS heroics more than anything. But nobody should go in on the strength of one game...

Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 2:33:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: twinsfan http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64359436/?partnerId=ed-7774112-628756403 Here's the writer's ballot. Need to read the article for his reasoning. Looks good, but I'm not sure about Mussina at first glance. I would probably replace Mussina with Larry Walker or Jeff Kent. I guess I'm on board with Bonds and Clemens, but I know they will not be getting enough votes anytime soon. Jeff Bagwell Craig Biggio Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Tom Glavine Greg Maddux Mike Mussina Mike Piazza Tim Raines Frank Thomas On this list, I would only question Mussina. Hall of very good at most...not HOF. But I am sure that his inclusion has as much to do with what I like to call the "Yankee/Red Sox" effect. what I mean is, he played for the Yankees so he got lots of extra media attention that pitchers with similar numbers playing in say...Kansas City would have gotten. All others, by their level of play and careers belong in the HOF imho. I'll be very curious to see what kind of support Mussina gets.

Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 2:47:38 PM)
quote: I'll be very curious to see what kind of support Mussina gets. Depends on How many voters think Kenny Loggins should be in, too. [:D]

Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 3:08:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: I'll be very curious to see what kind of support Mussina gets. Depends on How many voters think Kenny Loggins should be in, too. [:D] Will the voters enter the Danger Zone?!

Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 3:11:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dave E quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: I'll be very curious to see what kind of support Mussina gets. Depends on How many voters think Kenny Loggins should be in, too. [:D] Will the voters enter the Danger Zone?! For the First Time, perhaps, he'll Meet Me Halfway and tell me I'm Allright Then I will be able to Celebrate Me Home.

twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 3:32:16 PM)
If you read his explanation as to why he included Mussina, I don't think he even believes Mussina is the best choice. He wants to keep him on the ballot and evaluate later. However, is there really reason to believe he'll receive less than 5% of the vote? And I guess you can definitely question a person that is voting for someone just because they don't want that player to fall off the ballot.

Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 3:33:20 PM)
Cano is going to be a Mariner. Fantastic player, but $230-240 million?! Wow.

twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 3:34:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Dave E quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: I'll be very curious to see what kind of support Mussina gets. Depends on How many voters think Kenny Loggins should be in, too. [:D] Will the voters enter the Danger Zone?! For the First Time, perhaps, he'll Meet Me Halfway and tell me I'm Allright Then I will be able to Celebrate Me Home. When the BoSox fans said Please Come to Boston, he never came.

twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 3:36:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dave E Cano is going to be a Mariner. Fantastic player, but $230-240 million?! Wow. What happened to his demands for $301 million?

Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 3:37:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twinsfan quote: ORIGINAL: Dave E Cano is going to be a Mariner. Fantastic player, but $230-240 million?! Wow. What happened to his demands for $301 million? Reality?

Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 3:53:56 PM)
quote: When the BoSox fans said Please Come to Boston, he never came. He said NO, won't you come home to me.... Hey Ramblin' Boy why don't you settle down, Boston ain't your kind of town... [&:]

twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 4:00:03 PM)
By far the best Kenny Loggins song.

sixthwi -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 4:05:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twinsfan By far the best Kenny Loggins song. Unfortunately that was a Dave Loggins song [&:]

twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/5/2013 4:18:11 PM)
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Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/6/2013 2:08:58 PM)
Arencibia to TX, Garrett Jones to Miami

Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/6/2013 11:03:19 PM)
Beltran 3 year deal w/Yanks.

Jim Frenette -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/7/2013 7:48:06 AM)
I really don't understand the Yankees. I think I would keep Granderson and Cano then Elsbury and Kelly Johnson.

lylej -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/7/2013 9:49:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette I really don't understand the Yankees. I think I would keep Granderson and Cano then Elsbury and Kelly Johnson. Jim, agree, however, when you look at Granderson getting 60M and Cano getting 240M, the Yankees would have had to pay the same (300M totla), most likely, and even for the Yankees, it was way more than they wanted or could afford to pay them!

Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/9/2013 10:00:21 AM)
Roy Halladay is retiring. Wow. Talk about falling off a cliff.

Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/9/2013 10:12:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dave E Roy Halladay is retiring. Wow. Talk about falling off a cliff. Arm wore out. Done. Very Quickly. Reminds me of Webb

Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/9/2013 10:18:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: Dave E Roy Halladay is retiring. Wow. Talk about falling off a cliff. Arm wore out. Done. Very Quickly. Reminds me of Webb Was just checking out his stats. His best years were awesome, but not quite as amazing as I thought -- nothing to compare to Pedro's best years (which is a absurdly high bar, admittedly).

Jim Frenette -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/9/2013 10:31:36 AM)
LaRusa, Torre and Cox all elected to the HOF and all deserve it.

Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/9/2013 10:32:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette LaRusa, Torre and Cox all elected to the HOF and all deserve it. Agree, I'm fine with all those. Marvin Miller should have made it as well, though.

Jim Frenette -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/9/2013 10:34:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dave E quote: ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette LaRusa, Torre and Cox all elected to the HOF and all deserve it. Agree, I'm fine with all those. Marvin Miller should have made it as well, though. I disagree on Miller. He's a union guy, not baseball man

twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/9/2013 10:43:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette quote: ORIGINAL: Dave E quote: ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette LaRusa, Torre and Cox all elected to the HOF and all deserve it. Agree, I'm fine with all those. Marvin Miller should have made it as well, though. I disagree on Miller. He's a union guy, not baseball man You don't like unions?

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