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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Merry Christmas, David. I hope all is well!

Thank you Ricky. All was well that day. Also thank you again for all your wonderful support and help you gave me. I would normally say 'you'll never know how much it meant' but I have a feeling you DO know how much it meant.

I'm throwing this out here on the board not for me but for anyone else who by chance might need to hear it...

I spent Christmas in an inpatient treatment center for chemical dependency. I spent 34 days there total with little to no contact with the outside world. I won't use the 40-50+ pages it would take for me to describe the experience but I'll just say that it might be the single most important thing I've ever done and it 100% without a doubt saved my life - for now - as long as I continue to work for a positive recovery.

Please... PLEASE if you are suffering or feel there is no where to turn or no one to talk to seek help. Things might seem hopeless and dark but there are people who can help. Reach out.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Merry Christmas, David. I hope all is well!

Thank you Ricky. All was well that day. Also thank you again for all your wonderful support and help you gave me. I would normally say 'you'll never know how much it meant' but I have a feeling you DO know how much it meant.

I'm throwing this out here on the board not for me but for anyone else who by chance might need to hear it...

I spent Christmas in an inpatient treatment center for chemical dependency. I spent 34 days there total with little to no contact with the outside world. I won't use the 40-50+ pages it would take for me to describe the experience but I'll just say that it might be the single most important thing I've ever done and it 100% without a doubt saved my life - for now - as long as I continue to work for a positive recovery.

Please... PLEASE if you are suffering or feel there is no where to turn or no one to talk to seek help. Things might seem hopeless and dark but there are people who can help. Reach out.

Spent 45 days in such a place (some are sicker than others, as the saying goes) starting December 6, 1983. Life got better and has continued so ever since. Keep coming back.

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

I thought the special teams unit as a whole was pretty good this year...did I miss something or does this stem more from his previous shenanigans?

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

I thought the special teams unit as a whole was pretty good this year...did I miss something or does this stem more from his previous shenanigans?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Pfeifer should be canned

If the laces showed up on an earlier kick why wasn't this rehearsed on the sideline and corrected.

If Locke was a Pfeifer hand picked player

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players [do you have that backwards?] and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing....

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing....

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Pfeifer should be canned

If the laces showed up on an earlier kick why wasn't this rehearsed on the sideline and corrected.

If Locke was a Pfeifer hand picked player

Maybe because he knocked those kicks dead center?

I'm pretty sure they rehearse this stuff daily. Re-rehearsing it on the sidelines ain't going to provide an instant fix. That, of course, assumes that they didn't rehearse it on the sidelines, which you have no evidence of, one way or another.

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

I thought the special teams unit as a whole was pretty good this year...did I miss something or does this stem more from his previous shenanigans?

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing....

I think I've been over this once before. With all my deletes I'm not sure.

If the punting team touches, but not downs the ball, it is called first touching and the ball is still live. The ball will be set to play at either the first touching or the downed spot - which ever is further. It doesn't matter if you accidentally touch it and they recover because it would go to the spot of first touching. That's why, imo, it is smart to try and pick up the ball and run. The worst thing that can happen to you is it will go back to first touching.

I've been over this with my son. The ball is punted, there is a first touching, bean bag is marking the spot, my boy is trying to get into position to pick up the ball and run, the coaches are screaming, "GET AWAY FROM THE BALL, " I'm screaming from the stands, "PICK IT UP AND RUN!"

Who ever said the coaches are smarter than us fans? Ludicrous!

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

I wonder when Walsh will come out and say what actually happened technically that screwed up the kick. He did very well not bringing it up before now.

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing....

I think I've been over this once before. With all my deletes I'm not sure.

If the punting team touches, but not downs the ball, it is called first touching and the ball is still live. The ball will be set to play at either the first touching or the downed spot - which ever is further. It doesn't matter if you accidentally touch it and they recover because it would go to the spot of first touching. That's why, imo, it is smart to try and pick up the ball and run. The worst thing that can happen to you is it will go back to first touching.

I've been over this with my son. The ball is punted, there is a first touching, bean bag is marking the spot, my boy is trying to get into position to pick up the ball and run, the coaches are screaming, "GET AWAY FROM THE BALL, " I'm screaming from the stands, "PICK IT UP AND RUN!"

Who ever said the coaches are smarter than us fans? Ludicrous!

You are exactly right. I believe you have said you have officiated before or still do?

When the punting team touches but doesn't down the ball it's oddly called an "illegal touching" and the receiving team should be able to advance it but frequently it's prematurely blown dead..

I think most coaches don't favor players trying to advance it because 1) You are relying of the official to make the right call and 2) The player might think the other team touched it, but didn't.

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

I wonder when Walsh will come out and say what actually happened technically that screwed up the kick. He did very well not bringing it up before now.

I can tell you right now.

He didn't "overstep" the kick.

When you need the ball to take a right angle (as in this kick) you should step further past the ball than you would for a straight on kick.

Of course, the opposite is true when you want to angle the kick to the left. You would stop a little short.

For PATS he puts the ball on the right hash, so he is obviously more comfortable doing that.

Presnap he angled himself right, but he didn't overstep and subsequently had almost no follow through. As he finishes, his leg comes more across his body that forward towards the uprights, as it should.

Because that is an unusual angle he needed to consciously remember think to overstep on the 27 yarder, but clearly didn't.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing....

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Merry Christmas, David. I hope all is well!

Thank you Ricky. All was well that day. Also thank you again for all your wonderful support and help you gave me. I would normally say 'you'll never know how much it meant' but I have a feeling you DO know how much it meant.

I'm throwing this out here on the board not for me but for anyone else who by chance might need to hear it...

I spent Christmas in an inpatient treatment center for chemical dependency. I spent 34 days there total with little to no contact with the outside world. I won't use the 40-50+ pages it would take for me to describe the experience but I'll just say that it might be the single most important thing I've ever done and it 100% without a doubt saved my life - for now - as long as I continue to work for a positive recovery.

Please... PLEASE if you are suffering or feel there is no where to turn or no one to talk to seek help. Things might seem hopeless and dark but there are people who can help. Reach out.

Spent 45 days in such a place (some are sicker than others, as the saying goes) starting December 6, 1983. Life got better and has continued so ever since. Keep coming back.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing....

the team punting has only one option on a punt..

first touching or downing the ball.. which is essentislly the same thing..



the only way a punted ball can become "live" and the punting team can do anything but down it, is if it touches in any way a member of the receiving team..

once a member of the receiving team touches the ball , either by attempting to field a punt ( muffed)or by inadvertently being touched on the leg or in the back, or any other way touches the punted ball first,, and ONLY if a receiving team player touches the ball first.. it is then a live ball and can be picked up and advanced by either team.

Punting team members SHOULD BE surrounding the ball..

This is way the punt returner either calls for a Fair Catch, to field it clean and "down it" at the spot of the fair catch, or waves off all other players on the receiving team so they DO NOT accidently touch it , creating a live ball.