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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 8:37:23 AM   
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Minnesota Vikings

FPI playoff odds: 68.7 percent

Salary cap on IR: $6,607,765 (3.6 percent of total cap, 7 players)

Key players on IR: S Andrew Sendejo, G Nick Easton. Sendejo was placed on IR on Nov. 27 and is eligible to return to practice on Jan. 8. If the Vikings are still in the playoffs, Sendejo could be back to help this team get ready for a Super Bowl run. Easton was placed on IR in training camp after undergoing neck surgery and is out for the year.



I'm sorry, I just don't see how Sendejo ranks as a key player. I view his going on IR as one of the best things that could have happened to this defense. I am enjoying seeing the person playing that safety position arrive on time in pass coverage for a change. He should left on IR on Jan. 8, whether he is ready to go or not.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 9:46:27 AM   
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I think he might be better against the run than Kearse and Harris....I still like Kearse and Harris better due to their coverage abilities.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 10:02:15 AM   
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I think he might be better against the run than Kearse and Harris....I still like Kearse and Harris better due to their coverage abilities.


Four seasons in, Vikings' Anthony Harris making most of opportunity
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EAGAN, Minn. -- Anthony Harris' career with the Minnesota Vikings is rooted in the need to be on notice, constantly on-call waiting for his moment to step in should an injury or suspension arise to another starter. That's how the safety first saw the field four years ago, activated off the practice squad during his rookie season to aid a depleted defensive backfield. But Harris wasn't just relied upon as a fill-in. In his first NFL game against the Arizona Cardinals in December 2015, the then-rookie was tasked with calling the defense from his spot at safety. It was a moment to not only show off his ballhawking skills, but his ability to orchestrate everything around him. "And I could see the light bulb really click that everybody was like, 'Hey this guy can play,'" Harris said. "He's going to be somebody who can go in and make plays for us."

Four years in, Harris' role is changing. On Tuesday, the Vikings placed veteran safety Andrew Sendejo on injured reserve after a groin injury he sustained in the first part of the season kept him sidelined since Week 5. Outside of Pro Bowler Harrison Smith, the outlook for the Vikings' safety position is cloudy. Sendejo, 31, carries a $5.5 million cap hit in 2019. A restructure of his contract feels inevitable if he's going to stay with the Vikings next season. And it still might not be enough to keep his starting job. Coming off his fourth consecutive start in place of Sendejo, Harris will remain in this role for the rest of the season, according to coach Mike Zimmer. He's been patiently waiting, pining for his opportunity for years. Now that he has it, things may never go back to the way they were before.

Harris entered the NFL in 2015 as an undrafted free agent from the University of Virginia. Injuries at the end of his college career and subsequent shoulder and hand surgeries limited what he could do physically early on in Minnesota, so he saw an opportunity to hone his talents elsewhere. His aptitude in the meeting room was quickly noticed by coaches. "He's always taking notes," defensive backs coach Jerry Gray said. "A lot of times the young guys really don't even understand, when a professional's up there talking, and they're telling you something, they may not be talking directly to you but you have to decipher what they're doing, and then this is what I need to get. And I see him doing that. "To me, he studies, does his job every time the right way. And then when he gets a chance he goes in and plays, and he plays like he should be the starter."

Harris wasn't the starter against the Cardinals in Week 6 but had the impact of one in the third quarter, notching his first career interception against rookie QB Josh Rosen. It wasn't just the pick itself that impressed coaches. It was the propensity required to make the play. With Arizona receiver Larry Fitzgerald breaking on an angle route, Harris had to be in the right position to disrupt the trajectory of Rosen's pass. Had he whiffed and Fitzgerald caught it, Fitzgerald would have kept running. It was the same on Harris' first of two interceptions in Chicago, the safety running deep over the middle of the field on the Bears' "all-go special." Once receiver Taylor Gabriel showed signs of bending away from the safety, Harris leapt for the ball. "I see young guys, they're really apprehensive of going and making plays," Gray said. "They could be in position, but they don't make that play. And to me, I think that's a thing that you've seen him do. I think mentally he knows what to do, physically he knows what to do. Now, do you have enough courage to go make the play?"

Harris is one of many Vikings starters to get his start on special teams. Even this season, the "teamer" only saw the field on punt and kickoff return during the first five weeks and didn't take a defensive snap until Week 6. Even though he's seeing his role expand at safety, it doesn't mean his special teams play will become obsolete. "For me, it's very rewarding to see those guys that last in the league five, six, seven, eight, nine years and contribute on special teams when they are called upon in certain phases, but still do a great job for us on offense and defense," special teams coordinator Mike Priefer said.

Harris is again a restricted free agent in 2019, and it's hard to imagine the Vikings won't place a tender on him. While he wasn't one of the 15 safeties chosen in the 2015 draft, he's outperformed most all of them this season and is ranked No. 2 among all safeties by Pro Football Focus. He's already done what's needed to remain in Sendejo's place for the rest of the season. Beyond that, Minnesota may not have to look far for its next starting safety. "I think at the end of the year, we'll sit back and evaluate and say, ‘Hey look, what's going to be good for us? What's going to be best for us as a Minnesota Vikings defense?'" Gray said. "And it's going to be a big discussion, because now we've had another guy step up.

"To me, the NFL is always revolving and evolving to guys. And we're always looking for guys who can take a role and be better at that role. And at the end of the year, we'll have a tough discussion, I'm pretty sure."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 10:40:53 AM   
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Smith/Harris with Kearse backing them up is a terrific group at safety.

We finally have guys that can play the ball next to Smith instead of an old school strong safety.

Freeing up Sendejo's money next year is big as well.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 10:42:33 AM   
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Yep. No reason to bother with a restructure. Just dump his ass.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 11:45:39 AM   
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I think there is a good chance we take both these games and settle more into the look of a top 5 team capable of winning it all.



i agree...i think our team will embrace the challenge and step up their game - time to rachet up the focus and intensity....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 11:50:39 AM   
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Vikings (6-4-1) at Patriots (8-3): 4:25 p.m. ET, Fox

Point spread: NE -5.5 | Matchup quality: 68.9 (of 100)

Courtney Cronin's pick: Mike Zimmer has a defense that can make Tom Brady uncomfortable. Brady hasn't been great against the blitz this season, so Zimmer could choose to tap into some of those looks. Kirk Cousins was excellent with play-action last week, and keying into that element of his game and continuing to find ways to mix in Kyle Rudolph and Dalvin Cook will be critical, especially if the Patriots aim to take away Adam Thielen. But the numbers don't lie: Brady plays his best in December with a league-best 58 wins over his career. Patriots 30, Vikings 26

Mike Reiss' pick: The Vikings are one of five teams that Brady has an undefeated regular-season record against (4-0), and the return of Rex Burkhead highlights how the Patriots' offense is getting healthy at the right time. When the Patriots have had Julian Edelman, Josh Gordon and Rob Gronkowski on the field together, they are 4-0 and average 33.3 points per game. When one of those players is not on the field, the Patriots are 4-3 and average just 24.9 points. Patriots 27, Vikings 23

FPI win projection: NE, 67.6 percent. This game has the potential to impact each team's postseason in different areas. The Patriots have a 72 percent chance to get a first-round bye with a win and 39 percent with a loss, according to FPI. The Vikings would have an 88 percent chance to make the playoffs with a win and 62 percent chance with a loss.



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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 1:09:42 PM   
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The Vikings are one of five teams that Brady has an undefeated regular-season record against (4-0)


This'll be the 5th time in 18 years we've played the Patriots.

NFL scheduling is something else...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 1:12:48 PM   
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The Vikings are one of five teams that Brady has an undefeated regular-season record against (4-0)


This'll be the 5th time in 18 years we've played the Patriots.

NFL scheduling is something else...

BETTMANN!


wait .....
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 1:38:18 PM   
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I feel like an extra strong pass rush will pay especially big dividends against older quarterbacks like Brady and Brees. If you had $100 million in the bank, it might make you worry a bit more about CTE and the marginal cost vs. marginal benefit of getting smacked.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 2:04:11 PM   
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I feel like an extra strong pass rush will pay especially big dividends against older quarterbacks like Brady and Brees. If you had $100 million in the bank, it might make you worry a bit more about CTE and the marginal cost vs. marginal benefit of getting smacked.


Here's a good video of Brian Baldinger dissecting how the Titans took it to the Pats earlier this year. The key for the Vikes is to get Brady to move off his spot. If Rhodes can play an excellent game and shut down Gordon, they should be successful. It would also be nice if Gronk sat the game out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT2c0VwF1H8

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 3:12:58 PM   
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“That’s just Xavier,” Mike Zimmer said when asked about Rhodes coming off the field about once a game with an injury. Likes the drama? “I wouldn’t say that, but I’ve got a few nicknames for him.”

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 4:48:25 PM   
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Like many QBs, Brady is a far less productive when there is real pressure. And having that sense of when he is being pressured almost works to his disadvantage in that pressure from any spot will cause him to quasi-panic. He looks like a rookie when pressured, and as mentioned I think part of that is self-preservation and having already achieved success and $$.

If the DL plays its game of the year, something we can say THAT is what we envisioned when we signed Richardson, we win. Next weeks opposing coach needs to see video and label it 'For mature audiences only' like what was said earlier this year.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 8:07:38 PM   
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I'm going to post this in the Vikings thread since I'm drawing a comparison to how the Vikings handled AD. The statement below is from the Kansas City Chiefs and in my opinion is how an organization should handle a situation like this. There will be no camel rides, no Hunt-blaming-the-Chiefs, no ridiculous contract and/or contract negotiations. Playing in the NFL is a privilege not a right and people's actions have consequences.

Statement From the Kansas City Chiefs on RB Kareem Hunt
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“Earlier this year, we were made aware of an incident involving running back Kareem Hunt. At that time, the National Football League and law enforcement initiated investigations into the issue. As part of our internal discussions with Kareem, several members of our management team spoke directly to him. Kareem was not truthful in those discussions. The video released today confirms that fact. We are releasing Kareem immediately.”


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 8:13:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

I'm going to post this in the Vikings thread since I'm drawing a comparison to how the Vikings handled AD. The statement below is from the Kansas City Chiefs and in my opinion is how an organization should handle a situation like this. There will be no camel rides, no Hunt-blaming-the-Chiefs, no ridiculous contract and/or contract negotiations. Playing in the NFL is a privilege not a right and people's actions have consequences.

Statement From the Kansas City Chiefs on RB Kareem Hunt
SSS20973
Chiefs Public Relations

“Earlier this year, we were made aware of an incident involving running back Kareem Hunt. At that time, the National Football League and law enforcement initiated investigations into the issue. As part of our internal discussions with Kareem, several members of our management team spoke directly to him. Kareem was not truthful in those discussions. The video released today confirms that fact. We are releasing Kareem immediately.”



Our soft stance wasn't just limited to Peterson. We didn't seem to care one bit what Favre did off the field either.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 8:28:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

I'm going to post this in the Vikings thread since I'm drawing a comparison to how the Vikings handled AD. The statement below is from the Kansas City Chiefs and in my opinion is how an organization should handle a situation like this. There will be no camel rides, no Hunt-blaming-the-Chiefs, no ridiculous contract and/or contract negotiations. Playing in the NFL is a privilege not a right and people's actions have consequences.

Statement From the Kansas City Chiefs on RB Kareem Hunt
SSS20973
Chiefs Public Relations

“Earlier this year, we were made aware of an incident involving running back Kareem Hunt. At that time, the National Football League and law enforcement initiated investigations into the issue. As part of our internal discussions with Kareem, several members of our management team spoke directly to him. Kareem was not truthful in those discussions. The video released today confirms that fact. We are releasing Kareem immediately.”



He didn't lie to us. He'd make a nice 1-2 punch with Cook.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 8:30:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

I'm going to post this in the Vikings thread since I'm drawing a comparison to how the Vikings handled AD. The statement below is from the Kansas City Chiefs and in my opinion is how an organization should handle a situation like this. There will be no camel rides, no Hunt-blaming-the-Chiefs, no ridiculous contract and/or contract negotiations. Playing in the NFL is a privilege not a right and people's actions have consequences.

Statement From the Kansas City Chiefs on RB Kareem Hunt
SSS20973
Chiefs Public Relations

“Earlier this year, we were made aware of an incident involving running back Kareem Hunt. At that time, the National Football League and law enforcement initiated investigations into the issue. As part of our internal discussions with Kareem, several members of our management team spoke directly to him. Kareem was not truthful in those discussions. The video released today confirms that fact. We are releasing Kareem immediately.”



He didn't lie to us. He'd make a nice 1-2 punch with Cook.


Might work for the team, certainly wouldn't work for the fans. We'd be too busy arguing about how Cook is better.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 9:04:11 PM   
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https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/11/30/18119341/week-13-new-england-patriots-minnesota-vikings-advanced-stats-defense-terrific-third-downs-red-zone

Interesting stuff. Our third down and short success rate is 27th in the league. No shocker there.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 9:10:13 PM   
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https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/11/29/18117788/new-england-patriots-head-coach-bill-belichick-minnesota-vikings-adam-thielen-stefon-diggs

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 9:41:46 PM   
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Big development for Chiefs.

Chiefs release Kareem Hunt after video shows he shoved, kicked woman https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBQjCYx?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 9:47:54 PM   
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Bruce, do you read the threads?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2018 10:13:53 PM   
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Bruce, do you read the threads?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2018 9:09:22 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2018 9:20:15 AM   
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Bruce, do you read the threads?


Was it already mentioned? I just checked and still don't see a mention of Hunt.

I do read almost everything. When I have to catch up a lot, I read very fast.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2018 9:24:21 AM   
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https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/11/29/18117788/new-england-patriots-head-coach-bill-belichick-minnesota-vikings-adam-thielen-stefon-diggs


quote:

"20 years ago, the Minnesota Vikings featured arguably the NFL’s best wide receiver duo at the time: Randy Moss and Cris Carter."


Really? REALLY?

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