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Getting back to the D. Who runs the show, Zim? I just think they aren't playing up to where they should. Agreed that the middle is not as strong as it use to be. I think Linval has slowed down.

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ORIGINAL: ambear

Getting back to the D. Who runs the show, Zim? I just think they aren't playing up to where they should. Agreed that the middle is not as strong as it use to be. I think Linval has slowed down.

I think that's a huge element that we're missing. With Griff and Hunter killing it a presence up the middle would be deadly. Hopefully Linval can get back on track.

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/

highest % spent on defense in NFL.

On offense you've got

Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th.
RB: 2nd and 3rd.
WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson
TE: 2 second rounders.
QB both FA. Teddy - first

Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA
LBers: 1st and 2nd
DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac.

5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured).
4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense
2-2 on thirds

I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs.

Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players.

That was off top of head. Did I miss any?

EDIT: Missed Teddy.

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Vikes released Marcus sherels

Not a surprise. When Hughes was returning punts, the writing was pretty well on the wall.

Seems like it is a week early though.

They will need the roster spot for Hill when he's back....but not until after the Redskins game.

So is there some other reason for freeing up a roster spot?

Thielan is not likely to play. They'll probably activate Davis or Dillon.

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Vikings PR@VikingsPR
The Vikings defense has not given up a rush longer than 18 yards in 2019, marking the shortest "long rush" allowed by an NFL team this season.

Minnesota has also only allowed one rushing touchdown this season, tied with San Francisco for the fewest in the NFL

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: ambear

Getting back to the D. Who runs the show, Zim? I just think they aren't playing up to where they should. Agreed that the middle is not as strong as it use to be. I think Linval has slowed down.

I think that's a huge element that we're missing. With Griff and Hunter killing it a presence up the middle would be deadly. Hopefully Linval can get back on track.

We also need one of the young 3 techs to step up in a HUGE way.

We got top flight DEs, LBers, and Safeties. Mac is also a stud. Between Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes and Hill we should be able to cover on the outside.

You look at individual performances of the top flight guys, draft investment, and cap %, I feel like we are underperforming. Looking at the Bears last year, the rest of the defense made average guys look better. IDK if the same can be said here with DT.

Granted the Atlanta game, the Oakland, even some of the Eagles game, we were comfortable playing soft and giving up some yardage/points. But Stafford picked us apart all game and that was concerning.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: ambear

Getting back to the D. Who runs the show, Zim? I just think they aren't playing up to where they should. Agreed that the middle is not as strong as it use to be. I think Linval has slowed down.

I think that's a huge element that we're missing. With Griff and Hunter killing it a presence up the middle would be deadly. Hopefully Linval can get back on track.

We also need one of the young 3 techs to step up in a HUGE way.

We got top flight DEs, LBers, and Safeties. Mac is also a stud. Between Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes and Hill we should be able to cover on the outside.

You look at individual performances of the top flight guys, draft investment, and cap %, I feel like we are underperforming. Looking at the Bears last year, the rest of the defense made average guys look better. IDK if the same can be said here with DT.

Granted the Atlanta game, the Oakland, even some of the Eagles game, we were comfortable playing soft and giving up some yardage/points. But Stafford picked us apart all game and that was concerning.

Hercules has been out for awhile, hasn't he?

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Vikings PR@VikingsPR
The Vikings defense has not given up a rush longer than 18 yards in 2019, marking the shortest "long rush" allowed by an NFL team this season.

Minnesota has also only allowed one rushing touchdown this season, tied with San Francisco for the fewest in the NFL

This is fascinating. Why do you suppose this is? Good tackling?

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/

highest % spent on defense in NFL.

On offense you've got

Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th.
RB: 2nd and 3rd.
WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson
TE: 2 second rounders.
QB both FA. Teddy - first

Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA
LBers: 1st and 2nd
DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac.

5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured).
4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense
2-2 on thirds

I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs.

Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players.

That was off top of head. Did I miss any?

EDIT: Missed Teddy.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/

highest % spent on defense in NFL.

On offense you've got

Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th.
RB: 2nd and 3rd.
WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson
TE: 2 second rounders.
QB both FA. Teddy - first

Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA
LBers: 1st and 2nd
DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac.

5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured).
4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense
2-2 on thirds

I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs.

Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players.

That was off top of head. Did I miss any?

EDIT: Missed Teddy.

I don't think we are much different than most teams.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/

highest % spent on defense in NFL.

On offense you've got

Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th.
RB: 2nd and 3rd.
WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson
TE: 2 second rounders.
QB both FA. Teddy - first

Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA
LBers: 1st and 2nd
DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac.

5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured).
4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense
2-2 on thirds

I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs.

Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players.

That was off top of head. Did I miss any?

EDIT: Missed Teddy.

I don't think we are much different than most teams.

Click the link. We have the highest percentage of cap space dedicated to defense in the entire league.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/

highest % spent on defense in NFL.

On offense you've got

Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th.
RB: 2nd and 3rd.
WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson
TE: 2 second rounders.
QB both FA. Teddy - first

Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA
LBers: 1st and 2nd
DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac.

5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured).
4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense
2-2 on thirds

I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs.

Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players.

That was off top of head. Did I miss any?

EDIT: Missed Teddy.

I don't think we are much different than most teams.

Click the link. We have the highest percentage of cap space dedicated to defense in the entire league.

The biggest thing the Vikings FO did when they brought in Kubiak is address the offense this offseason. Drafting offense with the first 4 picks of 2019.

As the Defense ages the window is now---sharing FA and draft capital on offense this year has been big. Reif has played well and Rudolph who knows....maybe they aren't the two out the door and we let Waynes and Rhodes go instead?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/

highest % spent on defense in NFL.

On offense you've got

Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th.
RB: 2nd and 3rd.
WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson
TE: 2 second rounders.
QB both FA. Teddy - first

Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA
LBers: 1st and 2nd
DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac.

5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured).
4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense
2-2 on thirds

I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs.

Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players.

That was off top of head. Did I miss any?

EDIT: Missed Teddy.

I don't think we are much different than most teams.

Click the link. We have the highest percentage of cap space dedicated to defense in the entire league.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/

highest % spent on defense in NFL.

On offense you've got

Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th.
RB: 2nd and 3rd.
WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson
TE: 2 second rounders.
QB both FA. Teddy - first

Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA
LBers: 1st and 2nd
DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac.

5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured).
4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense
2-2 on thirds

I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs.

Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players.

That was off top of head. Did I miss any?

EDIT: Missed Teddy.

I don't think we are much different than most teams.

Click the link. We have the highest percentage of cap space dedicated to defense in the entire league.

Too many variables. Its a pretty empty stat, like Best Total Offense when its based on pass and run yardage.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/

highest % spent on defense in NFL.

On offense you've got

Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th.
RB: 2nd and 3rd.
WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson
TE: 2 second rounders.
QB both FA. Teddy - first

Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA
LBers: 1st and 2nd
DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac.

5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured).
4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense
2-2 on thirds

I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs.

Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players.

That was off top of head. Did I miss any?

EDIT: Missed Teddy.

I don't think we are much different than most teams.

Click the link. We have the highest percentage of cap space dedicated to defense in the entire league.

Too many variables. Its a pretty empty stat, like Best Total Offense when its based on pass and run yardage.

So it could be even a bigger disparity than it currently shows?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/

highest % spent on defense in NFL.

On offense you've got

Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th.
RB: 2nd and 3rd.
WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson
TE: 2 second rounders.
QB both FA. Teddy - first

Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA
LBers: 1st and 2nd
DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac.

5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured).
4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense
2-2 on thirds

I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs.

Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players.

That was off top of head. Did I miss any?

EDIT: Missed Teddy.

I don't think we are much different than most teams.

Click the link. We have the highest percentage of cap space dedicated to defense in the entire league.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ambear

That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be.

Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/

highest % spent on defense in NFL.

On offense you've got

Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th.
RB: 2nd and 3rd.
WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson
TE: 2 second rounders.
QB both FA. Teddy - first

Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA
LBers: 1st and 2nd
DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac.

5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured).
4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense
2-2 on thirds

I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs.

Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players.

That was off top of head. Did I miss any?

EDIT: Missed Teddy.

I don't think we are much different than most teams.

Click the link. We have the highest percentage of cap space dedicated to defense in the entire league.

The original argument(in here) was about high draft choices and big FAs. It has evened out.