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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 1:58:03 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Good is the enemy of great.

I think Zimmer is good, I don't have the feeling he is great.

Ymmv

I don't think he's much different than Brad Childress. Sure Childress was more of an ahole. Other than that extremely similar imo.

The players seem to play for Zim and respect him the same can't be said for Chilly.

So we have a better roster top to bottom and the players play harder for him yet we yield the exact same results? I would say that's a coaching failure somewhere.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 2:09:56 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Let's just get on a damn run and make some noise already! Win 3 of the next 4!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 2:40:07 PM

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Let's win em all. I'm greedy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 2:42:52 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Let's win em all. I'm greedy.

Well I would love that obviously! 3 of 4 minimum is what I should have said.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 4:42:12 PM

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Good is the enemy of great.

I think Zimmer is good, I don't have the feeling he is great.

Ymmv

I don't think he's much different than Brad Childress. Sure Childress was more of an ahole. Other than that extremely similar imo.

The players seem to play for Zim and respect him the same can't be said for Chilly.

So we have a better roster top to bottom and the players play harder for him yet we yield the exact same results? I would say that's a coaching failure somewhere.

Any coaching involved in building a roster? Or is the roster just handed over from Spielman, that's a 10-6 roster, live with it?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 4:45:28 PM

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Good is the enemy of great.

I think Zimmer is good, I don't have the feeling he is great.

Ymmv

I don't think he's much different than Brad Childress. Sure Childress was more of an ahole. Other than that extremely similar imo.

The players seem to play for Zim and respect him the same can't be said for Chilly.

So we have a better roster top to bottom and the players play harder for him yet we yield the exact same results? I would say that's a coaching failure somewhere.

Define exact same results. No Super bowl win = exact same results?

Also Zimmer hasn't whored himself out bringing a Packer icon in.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 5:29:18 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Good is the enemy of great.

I think Zimmer is good, I don't have the feeling he is great.

Ymmv

I don't think he's much different than Brad Childress. Sure Childress was more of an ahole. Other than that extremely similar imo.

The players seem to play for Zim and respect him the same can't be said for Chilly.

So we have a better roster top to bottom and the players play harder for him yet we yield the exact same results? I would say that's a coaching failure somewhere.

Define exact same results. No Super bowl win = exact same results?

Also Zimmer hasn't whored himself out bringing a Packer icon in.

I've said it a bunch. They both get to the NFC title game. Both 1-2 in the playoffs. Childress did it in fewer years and we probably had worse talent. Of course Zimmer got punked in the title game so maybe they didn't have the exact same results. Nonetheless not a whole lot of difference between the 2 is my point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 7:36:58 PM

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Good is the enemy of great.

I think Zimmer is good, I don't have the feeling he is great.

Ymmv

I don't think he's much different than Brad Childress. Sure Childress was more of an ahole. Other than that extremely similar imo.

The players seem to play for Zim and respect him the same can't be said for Chilly.

So we have a better roster top to bottom and the players play harder for him yet we yield the exact same results? I would say that's a coaching failure somewhere.

Define exact same results. No Super bowl win = exact same results?

Also Zimmer hasn't whored himself out bringing a Packer icon in.

I've said it a bunch. They both get to the NFC title game. Both 1-2 in the playoffs. Childress did it in fewer years and we probably had worse talent. Of course Zimmer got punked in the title game so maybe they didn't have the exact same results. Nonetheless not a whole lot of difference between the 2 is my point.

Your point is weak.

You've already factored in no playoff win for this year.

Zimmer winning % .603. That's after inheriting a 5-10-1 team. And current team on an upswing.

Chili winning % .527. That's after inheriting a 9-7 team. Got fired with the team a dumpster fire.

Who gets credit for 4th round picks that turn into perennial pro-bowl DEs? Any coaching come into play there?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 8:19:00 PM

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Do they have a winning percentage trophy? Does PFF hand it out?

More years, same number of playoff appearances, same number of playoff wins.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 8:31:59 PM

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

Who gets credit for an all pro corner turning into a turd overnight? Can't look at one and not the other.

Who gets credit for having a load of first and second round picks on the defense and can't even get them to play to average level as of late?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 8:58:51 PM

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

I don't know why you would do that, yet your statement that both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in playoff games but Chili did it in fewer years leaves no disputing that you did exactly that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 9:00:15 PM

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

I don't know why you would do that, yet your statement that both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in playoff games but Chili did it in fewer years leaves no disputing that you did exactly that.

What are you talking about? Both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in the playoffs??! Seattle? Philadelphia? What am I missing here?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 9:02:32 PM

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Chili beat Dallas, lost to Philly and NO. Zimmer beat NO lost to Philly and Seattle. Or so I thought.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 9:05:41 PM

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

I don't know why you would do that, yet your statement that both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in playoff games but Chili did it in fewer years leaves no disputing that you did exactly that.

What are you talking about? Both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in the playoffs??! Seattle? Philadelphia? What am I missing here?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 9:06:22 PM

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

I don't know why you would do that, yet your statement that both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in playoff games but Chili did it in fewer years leaves no disputing that you did exactly that.

What are you talking about? Both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in the playoffs??! Seattle? Philadelphia? What am I missing here?

Reading comprehension.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 9:07:35 PM

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

I don't know why you would do that, yet your statement that both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in playoff games but Chili did it in fewer years leaves no disputing that you did exactly that.

What are you talking about? Both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in the playoffs??! Seattle? Philadelphia? What am I missing here?

sigh

I can't tell you about this year because it hasn't ended yet! All we can base it on so far is finished seasons. Come on Todd! If we go on a run and win the super bowl of course that would change everyone's viewpoints don't you think?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 9:09:56 PM

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What great coach have we missed out on during the Zimmer era?

Almost every coach that would be in the Playoffs right now has been with their team longer than Zimmer.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 9:11:32 PM

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

I don't know why you would do that, yet your statement that both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in playoff games but Chili did it in fewer years leaves no disputing that you did exactly that.

What are you talking about? Both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in the playoffs??! Seattle? Philadelphia? What am I missing here?

sigh

I can't tell you about this year because it hasn't ended yet! All we can base it on so far is finished seasons. Come on Todd! If we go on a run and win the super bowl of course that would change everyone's viewpoints don't you think?

Zimmer playoff record 1-2, in 5 seasons
Chili playoff record 1-2 in 5 seasons

So Chili did not do it in fewer years. Unless you are already counting this year as no playoff win.

See, not so hard.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 9:13:49 PM

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

I don't know why you would do that, yet your statement that both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in playoff games but Chili did it in fewer years leaves no disputing that you did exactly that.

What are you talking about? Both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in the playoffs??! Seattle? Philadelphia? What am I missing here?

sigh

I can't tell you about this year because it hasn't ended yet! All we can base it on so far is finished seasons. Come on Todd! If we go on a run and win the super bowl of course that would change everyone's viewpoints don't you think?

Zimmer playoff record 1-2, in 5 seasons
Chili playoff record 1-2 in 5 seasons

So Chili did not do it in fewer years. Unless you are already counting this year as no playoff win.

See, not so hard.

Doesn't really bolster your argument that Zimmer is better now does it? If anything it says what I've been saying all along. Pretty much the same.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 9:17:54 PM

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Hopefully we can come out tomorrow with some ferocity and beat the Lions down handily. I would love it if our defense could regain some form! Do they start Rhodes?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 9:58:03 PM

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

I don't know why you would do that, yet your statement that both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in playoff games but Chili did it in fewer years leaves no disputing that you did exactly that.

What are you talking about? Both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in the playoffs??! Seattle? Philadelphia? What am I missing here?

sigh

I can't tell you about this year because it hasn't ended yet! All we can base it on so far is finished seasons. Come on Todd! If we go on a run and win the super bowl of course that would change everyone's viewpoints don't you think?

Zimmer playoff record 1-2, in 5 seasons
Chili playoff record 1-2 in 5 seasons

So Chili did not do it in fewer years. Unless you are already counting this year as no playoff win.

See, not so hard.

Doesn't really bolster your argument that Zimmer is better now does it? If anything it says what I've been saying all along. Pretty much the same.

You lost that argument with my first post on it. The last 10 fruitless posts have been about a clear contradiction in your "facts".

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 10:01:01 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

I don't know why you would do that, yet your statement that both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in playoff games but Chili did it in fewer years leaves no disputing that you did exactly that.

What are you talking about? Both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in the playoffs??! Seattle? Philadelphia? What am I missing here?

sigh

I can't tell you about this year because it hasn't ended yet! All we can base it on so far is finished seasons. Come on Todd! If we go on a run and win the super bowl of course that would change everyone's viewpoints don't you think?

Zimmer playoff record 1-2, in 5 seasons
Chili playoff record 1-2 in 5 seasons

So Chili did not do it in fewer years. Unless you are already counting this year as no playoff win.

See, not so hard.

Doesn't really bolster your argument that Zimmer is better now does it? If anything it says what I've been saying all along. Pretty much the same.

You lost that argument with my first post on it. The last 10 fruitless posts have been about a clear contradiction in your "facts".

Hahaha! My argument was they weren't much different! Thank you for proving me right! Thanks for playing. You wonderfully laid out a supporting argument on my initial statement on the matter. Thanks again buddy!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 10:03:50 PM

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

I don't know why you would do that, yet your statement that both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in playoff games but Chili did it in fewer years leaves no disputing that you did exactly that.

What are you talking about? Both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in the playoffs??! Seattle? Philadelphia? What am I missing here?

sigh

I can't tell you about this year because it hasn't ended yet! All we can base it on so far is finished seasons. Come on Todd! If we go on a run and win the super bowl of course that would change everyone's viewpoints don't you think?

Zimmer playoff record 1-2, in 5 seasons
Chili playoff record 1-2 in 5 seasons

So Chili did not do it in fewer years. Unless you are already counting this year as no playoff win.

See, not so hard.

Doesn't really bolster your argument that Zimmer is better now does it? If anything it says what I've been saying all along. Pretty much the same.

It doesn't show Zimmer to be better, just that your statement that Chili did it in fewer years
is incorrect. When Chili was fired, he had turned this team into a steaming pile. So far at least,
Zimmer has the team competitive in most games. Whether Zimmer ultimately is remembered
as the better head coach remains unknown. While it's extremely frustrating watching what was
a very good defense turn to crap way to often, I remain hopeful that Zimmer pulls his head out of
his ass or motivates the defense to pull their collective heads out of their collective asses soon.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2019 10:09:10 PM

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I haven't factored anything in this year. Why would I when we haven't made the playoffs yet?

I don't know why you would do that, yet your statement that both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in playoff games but Chili did it in fewer years leaves no disputing that you did exactly that.

What are you talking about? Both Chili and Zimmer are 1-2 in the playoffs??! Seattle? Philadelphia? What am I missing here?

sigh

I can't tell you about this year because it hasn't ended yet! All we can base it on so far is finished seasons. Come on Todd! If we go on a run and win the super bowl of course that would change everyone's viewpoints don't you think?

Zimmer playoff record 1-2, in 5 seasons
Chili playoff record 1-2 in 5 seasons

So Chili did not do it in fewer years. Unless you are already counting this year as no playoff win.

See, not so hard.

Doesn't really bolster your argument that Zimmer is better now does it? If anything it says what I've been saying all along. Pretty much the same.

It doesn't show Zimmer to be better, just that your statement that Chili did it in fewer years
is incorrect. When Chili was fired, he had turned this team into a steaming pile. So far at least,
Zimmer has the team competitive in most games. Whether Zimmer ultimately is remembered
as the better head coach remains unknown. While it's extremely frustrating watching what was
a very good defense turn to crap way to often, I remain hopeful that Zimmer pulls his head out of
his ass or motivates the defense to pull their collective heads out of their collective asses soon.

Good post Hagar! I agree with the defense comments. If we can get back to "solid" who knows what could happen.

Looking up Chili's years I forgot about the 8-8 season. Whoops!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2019 12:06:53 AM

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Tomorrow will be our sixth game our defense played against a back-up QB. Let that sink in, when evaluating our defensive numbers.

We also missed playing against Barkley (and Gallman, for the most part) and Kerryon Johnson.

Blough and Scarbrough tomorrow. We beat teams like this.

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