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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 6:48:46 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Sloter is just a guy. If he were so great or had such potential he wouldn't have been sitting on the Cardinals fricking practice squad. He was pick up by Detroit because the magical arm of Jeff Driskel got injured.

We really need to give up this crowning of Sloter. It's gotten worse than Todd Bouman fer cripes sake

Who knows? By that logic, Odenigbo has little potential because he was cut by the Browns and Cardinals. Lots of noise in talent evaluation.

Tom Brady was just a guy at one time too. 6th round afterthought. It took an injury to get him in the game and the rest is history. Who knows maybe Sloter is just a guy. I'd like to see what he could do one way or another.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 6:52:15 PM

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Tony Romo

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 6:57:46 PM

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It’s the same age old syndrome. The Vikings backup QB is always one of the most popular athletes in the state... until he gets significant playing time.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 6:59:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Sloter is just a guy. If he were so great or had such potential he wouldn't have been sitting on the Cardinals fricking practice squad. He was pick up by Detroit because the magical arm of Jeff Driskel got injured.

We really need to give up this crowning of Sloter. It's gotten worse than Todd Bouman fer cripes sake

Who knows? By that logic, Odenigbo has little potential because he was cut by the Browns and Cardinals. Lots of noise in talent evaluation.

Tom Brady was just a guy at one time too. 6th round afterthought. It took an injury to get him in the game and the rest is history. Who knows maybe Sloter is just a guy. I'd like to see what he could do one way or another.

Opportunity cost -- Sean Mannion or the 53rd roster spot. Small price to pay, but they're the experts.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:01:07 PM

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It’s the same age old syndrome. The Vikings backup QB is always one of the most popular athletes in the state... until he gets significant playing time.

Not at the moment.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:06:06 PM

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It’s the same age old syndrome. The Vikings backup QB is always one of the most popular athletes in the state... until he gets significant playing time.

I don't see anyone saying he needs to take over for Cousins. He's gotta be better than Mannion who brings absolutely nothing to the table.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:12:36 PM

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Sloter certainly has the tools and the look of a starting qb.

Think I read he had a very high wonderlic score so he can't be dumb.

But as pointed out. Can he grasp the playbook?
can he get everyone lined up where their supposed to be?
Does he have good command of huddle?
Is he mature?

Obviously the coaches thought he was lacking something or they would have not given up on him. Doesn't mean he can't turn it around either.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:14:02 PM

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Leslie Frazier gives up 3rd and 18 off a swing pass to keep the Texans drive alive. Embarrassing!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:17:49 PM

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Leslie Frazier gives up 3rd and 18 off a swing pass to keep the Texans drive alive. Embarrassing!

I can't believe he is still a DC

Good ole boy network I guess

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:19:39 PM

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Leslie Frazier gives up 3rd and 18 off a swing pass to keep the Texans drive alive. Embarrassing!

I can't believe he is still a DC

Good ole boy network I guess

That was the softest coverage ever! Zimmer would be hard pressed to beat that one.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:22:44 PM

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Haha nice shot of Brady clearing the snot out of his nostrils. They cut away from that shot quick.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:23:35 PM

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Haha nice shot of Brady cheating the snot out of his nostrils. They cut away from that shot quick.

Yeah the snot rocket shot lol! That was pretty funny.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:26:20 PM

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Sloter certainly has the tools and the look of a starting qb.

Think I read he had a very high wonderlic score so he can't be dumb.

But as pointed out. Can he grasp the playbook?
can he get everyone lined up where their supposed to be?
Does he have good command of huddle?
Is he mature?

Obviously the coaches thought he was lacking something or they would have not given up on him. Doesn't mean he can't turn it around either.

He’s had a few nice preseason drives against 3rd string defenses. Yay.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:32:23 PM

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I think the point that many are trying to convey is that it’s bad for a team’s culture to see an inferior player get the job even if it’s just the backup QB spot. Zimmer doesn’t run competitions for starting spots. That is conducive to lower morale for the bulk of the team and complaceny with (some of) the starters.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:35:09 PM

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I think the point that many are trying to convey is that it’s bad for a team’s culture to see an inferior player get the job even if it’s just the backup QB spot. Zimmer doesn’t run competitions for starting spots. That is conducive to lower morale for the bulk of the team and complaceny with (some of) the starters.

I can't wait to have a coach that's willing to bench high priced starters who are underperforming for younger hungrier guys that are playing hard and well when given opportunities.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:43:19 PM

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I see the Titans have Blasingame in quite a bit. That's interesting.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:43:21 PM

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I think the point that many are trying to convey is that it’s bad for a team’s culture to see an inferior player get the job even if it’s just the backup QB spot. Zimmer doesn’t run competitions for starting spots. That is conducive to lower morale for the bulk of the team and complaceny with (some of) the starters.

I can't wait to have a coach that's willing to bench high priced starters who are underperforming for younger hungrier guys that are playing hard and well when given opportunities.

I’d settle for him simply putting in the obvious better players. Ex. Diggs, thielen, Wilson, numerous o and d linemen.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:44:18 PM

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I think the point that many are trying to convey is that it’s bad for a team’s culture to see an inferior player get the job even if it’s just the backup QB spot. Zimmer doesn’t run competitions for starting spots. That is conducive to lower morale for the bulk of the team and complaceny with (some of) the starters.

I can't wait to have a coach that's willing to bench high priced starters who are underperforming for younger hungrier guys that are playing hard and well when given opportunities.

I’d settle for him simply putting in the obvious better players. Ex. Diggs, thielen, Wilson, numerous o and d linemen.

Bingo. Irregardless of salary.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:55:16 PM

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Sloter is just a guy. If he were so great or had such potential he wouldn't have been sitting on the Cardinals fricking practice squad. He was pick up by Detroit because the magical arm of Jeff Driskel got injured.

We really need to give up this crowning of Sloter. It's gotten worse than Todd Bouman fer cripes sake

+1, Jeff. If sloter was so badass, he'd be starting and killing it with some team. He's not doing either.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:57:25 PM

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If you haven't watched the Sloter interview linked above, do yourself a favor and check it out. As I recall, we overpaid to bring him in:

http://www.startribune.com/vikings-signing-former-broncos-quarterback-kyle-sloter-to-practice-squad/442619603/

We retain guys way too long around here, unlike a guy like Belichick--AP, Rhodes, Griffin, Barr, Zimmer come to mind. Then we release solid contributors like Sherels at PR in favor of jumpy, no-instincts-for-the-job Mike Hughes. Sloter never even got a CHANCE to truly show what he could do, in practice (if his account is true). He did all he could, which was to tear it up with the 3's in pre-season. He appeared decisive, accurate, in command, with a quick release & decent arm. Now he's probably going to be the heir apparent to Matt Stafford in our own division! This treatment of him may haunt this franchise for years to come.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:59:41 PM

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Sloter is just a guy. If he were so great or had such potential he wouldn't have been sitting on the Cardinals fricking practice squad. He was pick up by Detroit because the magical arm of Jeff Driskel got injured.

We really need to give up this crowning of Sloter. It's gotten worse than Todd Bouman fer cripes sake

+1, Jeff. If sloter was so badass, he'd be starting and killing it with some team. He's not doing either.

You can only take advantage of the opportunities you've been given. I think he's done that. I don't think we know one way or another if he's actually good. He may be the type that excels in gameplay. He may not play well against starters. Who knows. I'm pretty sure he's a better player than Mannion who probably shouldn't be on anybody's roster at this point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 8:47:50 PM

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I think the point that many are trying to convey is that it’s bad for a team’s culture to see an inferior player get the job even if it’s just the backup QB spot. Zimmer doesn’t run competitions for starting spots. That is conducive to lower morale for the bulk of the team and complaceny with (some of) the starters.

Except we don't know that Mannion is inferior (or that he isn't). Certainly in terms of physical tools it seems obvious, but as I tried to say and Bill said above, if he doesn't have the other side even in range, you can't have him as your backup. There was a narrative that took hold after they cut him that it was just so Kurt doesn't have to see a better QB every day; that's the internet for you, but this one that he is clearly a better QB than Mannion is nuts.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 8:48:05 PM

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Sloter is just a guy. If he were so great or had such potential he wouldn't have been sitting on the Cardinals fricking practice squad. He was pick up by Detroit because the magical arm of Jeff Driskel got injured.

We really need to give up this crowning of Sloter. It's gotten worse than Todd Bouman fer cripes sake

+1, Jeff. If sloter was so badass, he'd be starting and killing it with some team. He's not doing either.

You can only take advantage of the opportunities you've been given. I think he's done that. I don't think we know one way or another if he's actually good. He may be the type that excels in gameplay. He may not play well against starters. Who knows. I'm pretty sure he's a better player than Mannion who probably shouldn't be on anybody's roster at this point.

Remember when James Harrison was a nobody - until he was a somebody? Adam Thielen? My previously mentioned Kurt Warner, Jake Delhomme, and Tony Romo - what a bunch of LOSERS! - until they weren't.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 8:58:09 PM

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I think the point that many are trying to convey is that it’s bad for a team’s culture to see an inferior player get the job even if it’s just the backup QB spot. Zimmer doesn’t run competitions for starting spots. That is conducive to lower morale for the bulk of the team and complaceny with (some of) the starters.

Except we don't know that Mannion is inferior (or that he isn't). Certainly in terms of physical tools it seems obvious, but as I tried to say and Bill said above, if he doesn't have the other side even in range, you can't have him as your backup. There was a narrative that took hold after they cut him that it was just so Kurt doesn't have to see a better QB every day; that's the internet for you, but this one that he is clearly a better QB than Mannion is nuts.

It could be as simple as they cut him in favor of Mannion because they have no clue how to properly evaluate and/or develop QBs. If I'm a betting man that's what I'm going with.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 9:11:35 PM

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Not ecstatic with Speilman/Zimmer by any stretch, and in fact more inclined to move on. But the narrative that we can evaluate a QB on TV during the fourth quarter of the third exhibition game than they can seeing him play and interacting with him every day is ludicrous beyond words. They could still be wrong, but we're not seeing something they're blind to. In fact, it's entirely the opposite: they're seeing everything, 98% of which we're not privy to. We could still be right, but it's not an insight issue.

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