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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2020 8:30:36 PM

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Mike Hughes is out for the playoffs if we advance- not just for Sunday's game. He has been hurt a lot, it seems. I was not good with the pick at the time. I was consoled since he seemed like a stud, but right now it has been a wasted first round draft pick. I mean, it's the playoffs and he's not available. Marcus Sherels is good for the special teams. He's not going to be helpful as a corner, imo.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/1/3/21048645/minnesota-vikings-re-sign-marcus-sherels-place-mike-hughes-injured-reserve

I hope we're prepared on the other side of special teams. Deonte Harris is amazingly shifty and quick. I wouldn't give him a chance to return anything, even if it costs gross punting yards. You can't let a guy like that have a chance to change the game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2020 9:18:22 PM

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One thing I'll say about the new DB for the Vikes, he's got swagger:

https://3downnation.com/2020/01/01/former-bombers-db-marcus-sayles-signs-with-the-minnesota-vikings/amp/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

CFL Highlights:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRzd0I1enoQ

Might be a really nice pickup for next season

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2020 9:38:17 PM

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Playing on the road is always tough - and even more so in the playoffs. A win this weekend would be a nice upset!

I was torn about playing starters last week. But what we ended up with was essentially a mini bye week. Some guys have been resting for several weeks now. I actually think that helps these guys.

I agree with others assessments that NO will bring lots of pressure on our OL and Cousins. I hope we have a nice section in the playbook for TE screens and quick slants to counter that. With all of that traffic at the LOS, we may need to pass to set up the run. The OL is going to need to play its best game of the year. They played like crap against GB, so here's hoping they play strong.

It may be hard to sack Brees, but the DL need to remember to stay disciplined and get their hands up if the rush doesn't get there. There will be opportunities for batted passes, including on bootlegs. Remember, Brees is not tall.

Zimmer is great at defense. Let's see some new coverage schemes on Thomas at a few key points in the game. As others have said, a couple of turnovers would go a along way to giving us a win here.

The pass defense - especially the secondary - has been a bit maligned this year. Maybe they have just been waiting for this moment to really shine....

MN is as good a team as NO. They are. NO has the advantage since it is at their place. But MN could roll in there with some swagger, play smart and tough, and get out of there with a win.

agree with the rest week

we needed some rest, and it was extremely unlikely (impossible?) that we would get a playoff bye

also, improves our draft position

IF we play our best game in all 3 phases, we can beat anyone, IMO....will we?

The draft position is not determined by records for playoff teams.

The four teams eliminated in the wild card round pick in slots 21-24 in the reverse order of their final regular season records

Buffalo and Houston are the only other 10-6 teams. If one or both of them lose it could move us up one or two spots depending on how the tiebreaker works.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2020 10:00:20 PM

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Finally, someone who doesn't hold back anything concerning the coaching of this team.

For years, this has been a really talented team, but the coaching has held them back.

I heard the Wilfs gave a vote of confidence in Zimmer...they should see this rant.

https://youtu.be/09P0Yg9HOl8

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2020 10:05:17 PM

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Really eye opening Kyle Sloter interview

And I can tell he really wanted to name names, but thought better of it.

https://youtu.be/rbeAPSkua04

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2020 10:14:17 PM

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Finally, someone who doesn't hold back anything concerning the coaching of this team.

For years, this has been a really talented team, but the coaching has held them back.

I heard the Wilfs gave a vote of confidence in Zimmer...they should see this rant.

https://youtu.be/09P0Yg9HOl8

Does anybody have reason to believe that the Wilf's value winning over bottom line profits?

We are the perfect NFL franchise to own. Minnesota nice fan base. Media afraid to ask real questions. The league is against us. We love to hold onto losers. All the fans, and local media, asking for patience for Ponder, Frazier, even Williamson and Treadwell.

2020 Vikings will be led by Spielman and Zimmer. Zero doubt in my mind.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2020 10:32:03 PM

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With all the injuries we've sustained in recent weeks, it feels like we're being held together with Elmer's Glue. We're a walking Mash unit.

National media is really down us. NO CHANCE at all. We are literally an afterthought.

If there's a game you can get up for, it's this one. No reason to come out and play like pansies. Zimmer has no reason to "Play it Safe." There should be no wasted plays. Playing it safe on defense. Playing it safe on offense. LOSERS Mentality.

Payton is gonna come out with the intention of going for the throat right away. If we WIMPY our way out on the field to start, it won't be pretty.

New Orleans can be had. Brees can be flustered and hammered. Zimmer needs to be Exotic and Chaotic.

Stefanski, are you looking for a head coaching gig? Here's your chance. Show up with REAL game plan. Make those teams looking for head coach take notice. Don't come out with some conservative shit plan and then watch the team the team fall behind by three TDs.

They need to let the Saints know right away they're in for a fight. Punch 'em in the mouth from the start.

If you're gonna lose, go down swinging.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2020 10:41:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Viking Rich

Finally, someone who doesn't hold back anything concerning the coaching of this team.

For years, this has been a really talented team, but the coaching has held them back.

I heard the Wilfs gave a vote of confidence in Zimmer...they should see this rant.

https://youtu.be/09P0Yg9HOl8

Does anybody have reason to believe that the Wilf's value winning over bottom line profits?

We are the perfect NFL franchise to own. Minnesota nice fan base. Media afraid to ask real questions. The league is against us. We love to hold onto losers. All the fans, and local media, asking for patience for Ponder, Frazier, even Williamson and Treadwell.

2020 Vikings will be led by Spielman and Zimmer. Zero doubt in my mind.

Spot on...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2020 10:42:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Viking Rich

Finally, someone who doesn't hold back anything concerning the coaching of this team.

For years, this has been a really talented team, but the coaching has held them back.

I heard the Wilfs gave a vote of confidence in Zimmer...they should see this rant.

https://youtu.be/09P0Yg9HOl8

Does anybody have reason to believe that the Wilf's value winning over bottom line profits?

We are the perfect NFL franchise to own. Minnesota nice fan base. Media afraid to ask real questions. The league is against us. We love to hold onto losers. All the fans, and local media, asking for patience for Ponder, Frazier, even Williamson and Treadwell.

2020 Vikings will be led by Spielman and Zimmer. Zero doubt in my mind.

Bingo! Unfortunate but true.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2020 11:23:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Viking Rich

Finally, someone who doesn't hold back anything concerning the coaching of this team.

For years, this has been a really talented team, but the coaching has held them back.

I heard the Wilfs gave a vote of confidence in Zimmer...they should see this rant.

https://youtu.be/09P0Yg9HOl8

“That’s like taking steroids and then bragging that you can bench 135!” 😲

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 12:49:07 AM

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Which Viking QB threw the best ball?

Tarkenton, my favorite Viking QB, didn't throw a good ball. George threw darts, sometimes. Culpepper had a cannon, not like a Joshua Freeman cannon. Cunningham tossed a good ball. Kramer was tough as nails but didn't spin it well.

My answer, Warren Moon. Man, that cat threw a beautiful ball. Hard, tight and soft when it had to be. He dropped that ball on your hands.
One of the most underrated QB's ever, IMO.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 12:58:34 AM

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With two CB's out our chances have gone from slim to almost none. To win we need turnovers and a game plan that is not afraid to take chances. NO stops the run very well...so we can't go into this game with a run-first mentality! We need to pick up the pace a ton and if it's 4th and 2 at midfield you go for it! Double Thomas with Rhodes and Harris. Blitz. Make them beat us with Tre.Smith and Ginn on Waynes and Boyd/Hill. Stick Kearse on Cook. With the injuries and the refs against us (you know who the NFL wants to win this game) it will take a miracle to win.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 12:58:49 AM

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Here's a surprise:

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/numbers/who-most-complete-team-nfl

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 2:22:38 AM

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With two CB's out our chances have gone from slim to almost none. To win we need turnovers and a game plan that is not afraid to take chances. NO stops the run very well...so we can't go into this game with a run-first mentality! We need to pick up the pace a ton and if it's 4th and 2 at midfield you go for it! Double Thomas with Rhodes and Harris. Blitz. Make them beat us with Tre.Smith and Ginn on Waynes and Boyd/Hill. Stick Kearse on Cook. With the injuries and the refs against us (you know who the NFL wants to win this game) it will take a miracle to win.

Victim.

Care to expand on your conspiracy theory?

So crazy that we now have to figure out a way to put Kearse on Cook. Need I say more?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 2:35:37 AM

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This is really sad. Are we all mentally ill? The National Football League is against us. The officials are against us. The media is against us.
The idiot pundits are against us. We're being followed. We have a target on our back. The league will definitely cheat against us.

Stop being a loser.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 4:28:28 AM

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I'd be surprised if Kearse is even on the field for even 50% of snaps. Sticking him on Cook, who catches 3 passes per game seems like a waste of his talent and ability. I guess that will free up our linebackers to cover Kamara.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 6:08:21 AM

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There sure are a lot of injuries after a "bye week". Odenigbo being hurt is a pain to me. I was advocating that he start.

I do believe that whoever is healthy should play. No sense in playing guys who are not 100%. I'm curious as to who we put on the field tomorrow. Our backups did almost beat the Bears at home, but this is the playoffs. It feels like a one and done, to me. Sorry. Hard to be optimistic. I have to be real, too.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 6:12:25 AM

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This is really sad. Are we all mentally ill? The National Football League is against us. The officials are against us. The media is against us.
The idiot pundits are against us. We're being followed. We have a target on our back. The league will definitely cheat against us.

Stop being a loser.

Stop being a douche. You look down on and analyze people like you're hot shit. You are not.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 6:18:00 AM

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There sure are a lot of injuries after a "bye week". Odenigbo being hurt is a pain to me. I was advocating that he start.

I do believe that whoever is healthy should play. No sense in playing guys who are not 100%. I'm curious as to who we put on the field tomorrow. Our backups did almost beat the Bears at home, but this is the playoffs. It feels like a one and done, to me. Sorry. Hard to be optimistic. I have to be real, too.

It's impossible to he optimistic. Can't say I recall going into the playoffs on such a low before. I feel ready to take the hit and move on.

Disagree on not playing if you're not 100 %. There is no tomorrow gotta leave it all on the field.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:06:53 AM

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If folks need some more good news........

Betting nugget: In his career, Cousins is 0-15 outright and 1-13-1 ATS against teams that finished with at least 12 wins in a season (the Saints won 13 games this season). The outright winning percentage is the worst by any quarterback in the Super Bowl era. Meanwhile, New Orleans is 11-3 ATS since Week 3, the best mark in the NFL.

Mike Hughes being out may be a good thing. He’s awful.

I think the only way the Wilfs have the stones to can Zimmer is if this team looks as competent as they did vs Green Bay and just get embarrassed again on natuional TV

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:09:46 AM

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Finally, someone who doesn't hold back anything concerning the coaching of this team.

For years, this has been a really talented team, but the coaching has held them back.

I heard the Wilfs gave a vote of confidence in Zimmer...they should see this rant.

https://youtu.be/09P0Yg9HOl8

That’s about as solid of a take I’ve heard

Zimmer is a paper tough guy. Always finding scapegoats to fire and release.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:24:14 AM

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At least with the Wilf saying “every intent” gives them somewhat of an out

If Zimmer gets embarrassed could say we intended to keep, but.....

Still like that idea of trading him to Cowboys

Maybe pick up a 2nd rounder?

Still want this team to grab one of these QBs in this draft

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:30:58 AM

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I'd be surprised if Kearse is even on the field for even 50% of snaps. Sticking him on Cook, who catches 3 passes per game seems like a waste of his talent and ability. I guess that will free up our linebackers to cover Kamara.

I do think Kearse is our best matchup for Cook. He’s been a bit hot. I like the idea of using him for Cook
I did read our D is one of the best vs RB out of the Backfiekd
As much as I’m worried about Thomas our run D has been a sieve vs the run the last several games
I wouldn’t be surprised if they use Murray a bit to gash the interior of the run D

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 7:35:21 AM

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Unless we go on a magical run 2020 is SB or bust for this team. I expect all the major parts to be here through Cousins contract.

I wouldn't draft a qb in the 1st 3 rounds. Either Cousins rises to the occasion and earns a new contract or a new regime will be put in place and we can let them find our next qb.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2020 8:06:34 AM

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Unless we go on a magical run 2020 is SB or bust for this team. I expect all the major parts to be here through Cousins contract.

I wouldn't draft a qb in the 1st 3 rounds. Either Cousins rises to the occasion and earns a new contract or a new regime will be put in place and we can let them find our next qb.

It'll be predictable what happens with this team. We keep Zimmer and next year is a disaster. I might as well get used to the idea now. I think it would be crazy to not be looking for our QBOTF. Teams should always be on the hunt for that. After all everyone is one play away from being done. If there's a great looking prospect that falls in the 1st I'd take him in an instant.

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