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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Kirk doesn’t help his OL when he holds onto the ball forever.

Seems to me other teams negate a pass rush with quick throws.

Cousins seems to miss deep throw TDs when he has time.

I am glad Speilman has time to F around drafting and trading for kickers every year.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Kirk doesn’t help his OL when he holds onto the ball forever.

Seems to me other teams negate a pass rush with quick throws.

Cousins seems to miss deep throw TDs when he has time.

I am glad Speilman has time to F around drafting and trading for kickers every year.

3 TE sets way too often. Only one of them with any speed. Slow FB. And your 2 WR's running too deep of routes.

As mentioned by others, we need 3 WR's on the field way more often, and at least one of them needs to be running shallow, quick routes. Hit them in stride for a possible quick, big play, instead of this weakass dump off shit to Ham when he has his back to the defense.

Throwing the ball to Ham, or Rudolph for that matter, is Zimmer tough guy football.

Every team in the league has 4 WR's that can play when necessary. We can't find 3? Well, I doubt Zimmer even wants 3.

Even though it was garbage time, Johnson looked like he knew what he was doing out there.
Routes looked crisp. He goes to the ball, extends his arms and catches with his hands while looking it all the way in.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Kirk doesn’t help his OL when he holds onto the ball forever.

Seems to me other teams negate a pass rush with quick throws.

Cousins seems to miss deep throw TDs when he has time.

I am glad Speilman has time to F around drafting and trading for kickers every year.

3 TE sets way too often. Only one of them with any speed. Slow FB. And your 2 WR's running too deep of routes.

As mentioned by others, we need 3 WR's on the field way more often, and at least one of them needs to be running shallow, quick routes. Hit them in stride for a possible quick, big play, instead of this weakass dump off shit to Ham when he has his back to the defense.

Throwing the ball to Ham, or Rudolph for that matter, is Zimmer tough guy football.

Every team in the league has 4 WR's that can play when necessary. We can't find 3? Well, I doubt Zimmer even wants 3.

Even though it was garbage time, Johnson looked like he knew what he was doing out there.
Routes looked crisp. He goes to the ball, extends his arms and catches with his hands while looking it all the way in.

I know the coaches know better but a lot of people in here were calling for Johnson in preseason. At least he looks like a wideout on the field. Zimmer clearly has his head up his posterior far too often.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Looking at our schedule it's going to be tough to even get a wildcard.

Right now it looks pretty damn tough!

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Here's a GIF of 'the timeout'. It's still too difficult for me to count the Vikings on the field. But then I noticed something else - THE BEARS WEREN'T EVEN LINED UP AND SET! They weren't even a threat to snap the ball.



http://www.sbnationradio.com/the-9-dumbest-mistakes-from-a-messy-nfl-week-4-ranked/

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Here's a GIF of 'the timeout'. It's still too difficult for me to count the Vikings on the field. But then I noticed something else - THE BEARS WEREN'T EVEN LINED UP AND SET! They weren't even a threat to snap the ball.



http://www.sbnationradio.com/the-9-dumbest-mistakes-from-a-messy-nfl-week-4-ranked/

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Kirk doesn’t help his OL when he holds onto the ball forever.

Seems to me other teams negate a pass rush with quick throws.

Cousins seems to miss deep throw TDs when he has time.

I am glad Speilman has time to F around drafting and trading for kickers every year.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

Sam Monson
@PFF_Sam

Garrett Bradbury has allowed 13 total pressures in 4 games.

Rodney Hudson allowed 5 total in 2018.

He's on course to allow 15 more than any C in football did last year.

Vikings line has been a real limiting factor for years, but what's really concerning is it's not getting better as they throw resources at it.

It's super early on Bradbury, but he's as bad as Elflein ever was right now overall, and Elflein's still there! Just in a new spot.

And a reminder: they passed up the chance to take Andre Dillard - a player at a significantly more valuable position - to take Bradbury.

That would be questionable if they were both good, but if the one you take turns out to be bad and the other good? Whooo boy.

Btw, it's not all the OL.

Kirk Cousins has the highest average time to throw in the NFL through 4 weeks.

QBs control their pressure rate more than any other single variable, and Cousins is screwing himself.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Kirk Cousins has the highest average time to throw in the NFL through 4 weeks.

Ok, now I feel even worse about him …. and us.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Kirk doesn’t help his OL when he holds onto the ball forever.

Seems to me other teams negate a pass rush with quick throws.

Cousins seems to miss deep throw TDs when he has time.

I am glad Speilman has time to F around drafting and trading for kickers every year.

3 TE sets way too often. Only one of them with any speed. Slow FB. And your 2 WR's running too deep of routes.

As mentioned by others, we need 3 WR's on the field way more often, and at least one of them needs to be running shallow, quick routes. Hit them in stride for a possible quick, big play, instead of this weakass dump off shit to Ham when he has his back to the defense.

Throwing the ball to Ham, or Rudolph for that matter, is Zimmer tough guy football.

Every team in the league has 4 WR's that can play when necessary. We can't find 3? Well, I doubt Zimmer even wants 3.

Even though it was garbage time, Johnson looked like he knew what he was doing out there.
Routes looked crisp. He goes to the ball, extends his arms and catches with his hands while looking it all the way in.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Kirk doesn’t help his OL when he holds onto the ball forever.

Seems to me other teams negate a pass rush with quick throws.

Cousins seems to miss deep throw TDs when he has time.

I am glad Speilman has time to F around drafting and trading for kickers every year.

3 TE sets way too often. Only one of them with any speed. Slow FB. And your 2 WR's running too deep of routes.

As mentioned by others, we need 3 WR's on the field way more often, and at least one of them needs to be running shallow, quick routes. Hit them in stride for a possible quick, big play, instead of this weakass dump off shit to Ham when he has his back to the defense.

Throwing the ball to Ham, or Rudolph for that matter, is Zimmer tough guy football.

Every team in the league has 4 WR's that can play when necessary. We can't find 3? Well, I doubt Zimmer even wants 3.

Even though it was garbage time, Johnson looked like he knew what he was doing out there.
Routes looked crisp. He goes to the ball, extends his arms and catches with his hands while looking it all the way in.

We don't need 4 WR sets....Smith, Bisi, Thielen, Diggs. Rudolph can get separation off of the line also. Bisi and Smith were open on short shots at the end.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

Interesting that a defensive guy like Zimmer has Cousins as his ride or die, which is how this likely plays out.

What I'd like to know is what level of analysis Spielman put into the decision to sign Cousins. Most of us are good enough armchair analysts to recognize that his passing stats as a Redskin looked pretty good compared to what Viking quarterbacks achieved in recent years (4,000+ yards, etc.). I was in favor of signing him, but analyzing KC's positives and negatives was not my full time job. Did the Viking scouts look closely at how he did under pressure, during periods when his O line wasn't at its best? It's difficult to believe that these shortcomings weren't evident during his Redskins years (a leopard can't change its spots). My sense is that Spielman prides himself on doing his homework, so I wonder what went wrong.

Spiels believed in Kirk's smile... There was and still is great upside in Kirk with right system and coaching to be an 8 plus game a season winner... We likely thought we could get more out of him and Im sure that with the recent hire of Flip he was very familiar with Kirk and had some major say as well setting up the captain for his new offense...

Plus there was little alternatives as everyone here kept pointing out... no one trusted our three QBs and options were limited beyond the tempting stats and arm of Kirk...

Is drafting a quarterback not considered acceptable except in rebuilding mode? Were the Vikings unwilling to wait on the development of a rookie QB, factoring in the risk that the rookie doesn't develop? In hindsight, win now approach has its own risks, especially when it relies heavily on the development of O-line draft picks.

We honestly felt we were one piece away from the Super Bowl and deemed Case as that weak link...

Adding Kirk and paying what he wanted was believed to be that magic bean...

Well guess what...

The golden goose doesnt really lay golden eggs, they are just rotten eggs and goose is getting Cook(ed) in this system...

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Kirk doesn’t help his OL when he holds onto the ball forever.

Seems to me other teams negate a pass rush with quick throws.

Cousins seems to miss deep throw TDs when he has time.

I am glad Speilman has time to F around drafting and trading for kickers every year.

3 TE sets way too often. Only one of them with any speed. Slow FB. And your 2 WR's running too deep of routes.

As mentioned by others, we need 3 WR's on the field way more often, and at least one of them needs to be running shallow, quick routes. Hit them in stride for a possible quick, big play, instead of this weakass dump off shit to Ham when he has his back to the defense.

Throwing the ball to Ham, or Rudolph for that matter, is Zimmer tough guy football.

Every team in the league has 4 WR's that can play when necessary. We can't find 3? Well, I doubt Zimmer even wants 3.

Even though it was garbage time, Johnson looked like he knew what he was doing out there.
Routes looked crisp. He goes to the ball, extends his arms and catches with his hands while looking it all the way in.

quote:

ORIGINAL: JT2

quote:

ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Kirk doesn’t help his OL when he holds onto the ball forever.

Seems to me other teams negate a pass rush with quick throws.

Cousins seems to miss deep throw TDs when he has time.

I am glad Speilman has time to F around drafting and trading for kickers every year.

3 TE sets way too often. Only one of them with any speed. Slow FB. And your 2 WR's running too deep of routes.

As mentioned by others, we need 3 WR's on the field way more often, and at least one of them needs to be running shallow, quick routes. Hit them in stride for a possible quick, big play, instead of this weakass dump off shit to Ham when he has his back to the defense.

Throwing the ball to Ham, or Rudolph for that matter, is Zimmer tough guy football.

Every team in the league has 4 WR's that can play when necessary. We can't find 3? Well, I doubt Zimmer even wants 3.

Even though it was garbage time, Johnson looked like he knew what he was doing out there.
Routes looked crisp. He goes to the ball, extends his arms and catches with his hands while looking it all the way in.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

Sam Monson
@PFF_Sam

Garrett Bradbury has allowed 13 total pressures in 4 games.

Rodney Hudson allowed 5 total in 2018.

He's on course to allow 15 more than any C in football did last year.

Vikings line has been a real limiting factor for years, but what's really concerning is it's not getting better as they throw resources at it.

It's super early on Bradbury, but he's as bad as Elflein ever was right now overall, and Elflein's still there! Just in a new spot.

And a reminder: they passed up the chance to take Andre Dillard - a player at a significantly more valuable position - to take Bradbury.

That would be questionable if they were both good, but if the one you take turns out to be bad and the other good? Whooo boy.

Btw, it's not all the OL.

Kirk Cousins has the highest average time to throw in the NFL through 4 weeks.

QBs control their pressure rate more than any other single variable, and Cousins is screwing himself.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Kirk doesn’t help his OL when he holds onto the ball forever.

Seems to me other teams negate a pass rush with quick throws.

Cousins seems to miss deep throw TDs when he has time.

I am glad Speilman has time to F around drafting and trading for kickers every year.

3 TE sets way too often. Only one of them with any speed. Slow FB. And your 2 WR's running too deep of routes.

As mentioned by others, we need 3 WR's on the field way more often, and at least one of them needs to be running shallow, quick routes. Hit them in stride for a possible quick, big play, instead of this weakass dump off shit to Ham when he has his back to the defense.

Throwing the ball to Ham, or Rudolph for that matter, is Zimmer tough guy football.

Every team in the league has 4 WR's that can play when necessary. We can't find 3? Well, I doubt Zimmer even wants 3.

Even though it was garbage time, Johnson looked like he knew what he was doing out there.
Routes looked crisp. He goes to the ball, extends his arms and catches with his hands while looking it all the way in.

We don't need 4 WR sets....Smith, Bisi, Thielen, Diggs. Rudolph can get separation off of the line also. Bisi and Smith were open on short shots at the end.

Kyle Rudolph?

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Kirk doesn’t help his OL when he holds onto the ball forever.

Seems to me other teams negate a pass rush with quick throws.

Cousins seems to miss deep throw TDs when he has time.

I am glad Speilman has time to F around drafting and trading for kickers every year.

3 TE sets way too often. Only one of them with any speed. Slow FB. And your 2 WR's running too deep of routes.

As mentioned by others, we need 3 WR's on the field way more often, and at least one of them needs to be running shallow, quick routes. Hit them in stride for a possible quick, big play, instead of this weakass dump off shit to Ham when he has his back to the defense.

Throwing the ball to Ham, or Rudolph for that matter, is Zimmer tough guy football.

Every team in the league has 4 WR's that can play when necessary. We can't find 3? Well, I doubt Zimmer even wants 3.

Even though it was garbage time, Johnson looked like he knew what he was doing out there.
Routes looked crisp. He goes to the ball, extends his arms and catches with his hands while looking it all the way in.

We don't need 4 WR sets....Smith, Bisi, Thielen, Diggs. Rudolph can get separation off of the line also. Bisi and Smith were open on short shots at the end.

Kyle Rudolph?

Oh...I was going to counter that I'd rather see Prancer in those sets.