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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/2/2019 5:59:07 PM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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Jones was horrible last year. If he was better this preseason, maybe (or maybe not, true) it's because he's a vet reserve playing against young guys and/or guys who can't actually play in the league. Bradbury obviously has some issues, but he does good things, particularly in the run game, too. One of the best things about the Patriots is that they use the early part of the regular season to actually get better. Even as critical as I've been of the OLine over the years, I think it's likely they will improve significantly over the course of this season; whether they improve enough, soon enough remains to be seen. Bradbury should get better this year and next year; replacing him with a bad player won't help that process.

Jones didn't play well in two and a half games last year. The prior year (2017), PFF gave him their 3rd highest pass-blocking grade for a center (83.2) as a 13-game starter. Giants got rid of him to clear cap space.

PFF is meaningless.

We gave the Giants a 7th rd pick for Jones (or he would have been released). That was his veteran worth to us and the Giants.

Jones stunk it up in the three games he played last year. Then he backed up Elflein who had a terrible season. It's not like Jones played or practiced well enough to get another shot.

Then we released him in Sept. We resigned him a week later but that is not the path you take when a team values your starting potential.

He's an emergency backup.

Our team doesn't value getting the ball into our playmakers hands on offense either. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into what this team values as far as how right or wrong it is. Things we do are strange lately.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/2/2019 6:11:35 PM   
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Kfan said Diggs was not at practice today and not injury related.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/2/2019 6:18:55 PM   
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Jones was horrible last year. If he was better this preseason, maybe (or maybe not, true) it's because he's a vet reserve playing against young guys and/or guys who can't actually play in the league. Bradbury obviously has some issues, but he does good things, particularly in the run game, too. One of the best things about the Patriots is that they use the early part of the regular season to actually get better. Even as critical as I've been of the OLine over the years, I think it's likely they will improve significantly over the course of this season; whether they improve enough, soon enough remains to be seen. Bradbury should get better this year and next year; replacing him with a bad player won't help that process.

Jones didn't play well in two and a half games last year. The prior year (2017), PFF gave him their 3rd highest pass-blocking grade for a center (83.2) as a 13-game starter. Giants got rid of him to clear cap space.

Or maybe they got rid of him because he was horrible in training camp, which would not be a surprise because he was horrible in the regular season. Maybe that was anomalous and he's much better now, but given where things are, I don't mind sticking with Bradbury right now.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/2/2019 6:46:35 PM   
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Jones was horrible last year. If he was better this preseason, maybe (or maybe not, true) it's because he's a vet reserve playing against young guys and/or guys who can't actually play in the league. Bradbury obviously has some issues, but he does good things, particularly in the run game, too. One of the best things about the Patriots is that they use the early part of the regular season to actually get better. Even as critical as I've been of the OLine over the years, I think it's likely they will improve significantly over the course of this season; whether they improve enough, soon enough remains to be seen. Bradbury should get better this year and next year; replacing him with a bad player won't help that process.

Jones didn't play well in two and a half games last year. The prior year (2017), PFF gave him their 3rd highest pass-blocking grade for a center (83.2) as a 13-game starter. Giants got rid of him to clear cap space.

Or maybe they got rid of him because he was horrible in training camp, which would not be a surprise because he was horrible in the regular season. Maybe that was anomalous and he's much better now, but given where things are, I don't mind sticking with Bradbury right now.

Well, you made the same argument a few weeks ago when it was suggested that Jones should replace Elflein. If you're simply relying on the Vikings brain trust knowing what's best, then that's not something I can argue with. However, it seems odd to focus on Jones's 2.5 games last year while dismissing everything else he's done, whether it's from 2017 while starting against 1st string NFL defensive linemen or pre-season this year. Elflein has played abysmally for quite some time and has never played well at this level.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/2/2019 8:26:21 PM   
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Jones was horrible last year. If he was better this preseason, maybe (or maybe not, true) it's because he's a vet reserve playing against young guys and/or guys who can't actually play in the league. Bradbury obviously has some issues, but he does good things, particularly in the run game, too. One of the best things about the Patriots is that they use the early part of the regular season to actually get better. Even as critical as I've been of the OLine over the years, I think it's likely they will improve significantly over the course of this season; whether they improve enough, soon enough remains to be seen. Bradbury should get better this year and next year; replacing him with a bad player won't help that process.

Jones didn't play well in two and a half games last year. The prior year (2017), PFF gave him their 3rd highest pass-blocking grade for a center (83.2) as a 13-game starter. Giants got rid of him to clear cap space.

Or maybe they got rid of him because he was horrible in training camp, which would not be a surprise because he was horrible in the regular season. Maybe that was anomalous and he's much better now, but given where things are, I don't mind sticking with Bradbury right now.

Well, you made the same argument a few weeks ago when it was suggested that Jones should replace Elflein. If you're simply relying on the Vikings brain trust knowing what's best, then that's not something I can argue with. However, it seems odd to focus on Jones's 2.5 games last year while dismissing everything else he's done, whether it's from 2017 while starting against 1st string NFL defensive linemen or pre-season this year. Elflein has played abysmally for quite some time and has never played well at this level.

Ya, I kind of wish we could know where the season ends so we could make demands on how to proceed now. I think there are certain things you do to be better now, like go with less than 7 TEs and a fullback most of the time, and certain things you sacrifice now to get better down the road, which is where I'd put sticking with Bradbury at this point. Elflein is harder because he hasn't looked passable since returning from injury last year, but I question replacing him with Jones. I'd definitely go with Dozier if that's indicated, though. All that being said, I accept Jones as a sub at this point if that's who they want.

As Bill Johannsen (sp?) knows, I wanted to sign a high-level FA center so we could hit the ground running this year and a replacement-level guard, which is what we got in Kline (though I cringed at the time because of how his play last year was characterized). When we didn't get the C, we had to take the best center available. I liked everything I heard about Bradbury other than his need to get stronger (like every rookie OL), and I wouldn't give up on him. But what if we'd signed a vet C like Paradis and then drafted our LT of the future in Andre Dillard? We could have dumped Rudy and had a path to dumping Reiff next year.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/2/2019 8:29:24 PM   
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Jones was horrible last year. If he was better this preseason, maybe (or maybe not, true) it's because he's a vet reserve playing against young guys and/or guys who can't actually play in the league. Bradbury obviously has some issues, but he does good things, particularly in the run game, too. One of the best things about the Patriots is that they use the early part of the regular season to actually get better. Even as critical as I've been of the OLine over the years, I think it's likely they will improve significantly over the course of this season; whether they improve enough, soon enough remains to be seen. Bradbury should get better this year and next year; replacing him with a bad player won't help that process.

Jones didn't play well in two and a half games last year. The prior year (2017), PFF gave him their 3rd highest pass-blocking grade for a center (83.2) as a 13-game starter. Giants got rid of him to clear cap space.

Or maybe they got rid of him because he was horrible in training camp, which would not be a surprise because he was horrible in the regular season. Maybe that was anomalous and he's much better now, but given where things are, I don't mind sticking with Bradbury right now.

Well, you made the same argument a few weeks ago when it was suggested that Jones should replace Elflein. If you're simply relying on the Vikings brain trust knowing what's best, then that's not something I can argue with. However, it seems odd to focus on Jones's 2.5 games last year while dismissing everything else he's done, whether it's from 2017 while starting against 1st string NFL defensive linemen or pre-season this year. Elflein has played abysmally for quite some time and has never played well at this level.

Ya, I kind of wish we could know where the season ends so we could make demands on how to proceed now. I think there are certain things you do to be better now, like go with less than 7 TEs and a fullback most of the time, and certain things you sacrifice now to get better down the road, which is where I'd put sticking with Bradbury at this point. Elflein is harder because he hasn't looked passable since returning from injury last year, but I question replacing him with Jones. I'd definitely go with Dozier if that's indicated, though. All that being said, I accept Jones as a sub at this point if that's who they want.

As Bill Johannsen (sp?) knows, I wanted to sign a high-level FA center so we could hit the ground running this year and a replacement-level guard, which is what we got in Kline (though I cringed at the time because of how his play last year was characterized). When we didn't get the C, we had to take the best center available. I liked everything I heard about Bradbury other than his need to get stronger (like every rookie OL), and I wouldn't give up on him. But what if we'd signed a vet C like Paradis and then drafted our LT of the future in Andre Dillard? We could have dumped Rudy and had a path to dumping Reiff next year.

We might already have the path for dumping rife next year
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/2/2019 9:12:04 PM   
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Diggs?
If there is a trade....what's his value..
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/2/2019 11:13:59 PM   
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Jones was horrible last year. If he was better this preseason, maybe (or maybe not, true) it's because he's a vet reserve playing against young guys and/or guys who can't actually play in the league. Bradbury obviously has some issues, but he does good things, particularly in the run game, too. One of the best things about the Patriots is that they use the early part of the regular season to actually get better. Even as critical as I've been of the OLine over the years, I think it's likely they will improve significantly over the course of this season; whether they improve enough, soon enough remains to be seen. Bradbury should get better this year and next year; replacing him with a bad player won't help that process.

Jones didn't play well in two and a half games last year. The prior year (2017), PFF gave him their 3rd highest pass-blocking grade for a center (83.2) as a 13-game starter. Giants got rid of him to clear cap space.

Or maybe they got rid of him because he was horrible in training camp, which would not be a surprise because he was horrible in the regular season. Maybe that was anomalous and he's much better now, but given where things are, I don't mind sticking with Bradbury right now.

Well, you made the same argument a few weeks ago when it was suggested that Jones should replace Elflein. If you're simply relying on the Vikings brain trust knowing what's best, then that's not something I can argue with. However, it seems odd to focus on Jones's 2.5 games last year while dismissing everything else he's done, whether it's from 2017 while starting against 1st string NFL defensive linemen or pre-season this year. Elflein has played abysmally for quite some time and has never played well at this level.

Ya, I kind of wish we could know where the season ends so we could make demands on how to proceed now. I think there are certain things you do to be better now, like go with less than 7 TEs and a fullback most of the time, and certain things you sacrifice now to get better down the road, which is where I'd put sticking with Bradbury at this point. Elflein is harder because he hasn't looked passable since returning from injury last year, but I question replacing him with Jones. I'd definitely go with Dozier if that's indicated, though. All that being said, I accept Jones as a sub at this point if that's who they want.

As Bill Johannsen (sp?) knows, I wanted to sign a high-level FA center so we could hit the ground running this year and a replacement-level guard, which is what we got in Kline (though I cringed at the time because of how his play last year was characterized). When we didn't get the C, we had to take the best center available. I liked everything I heard about Bradbury other than his need to get stronger (like every rookie OL), and I wouldn't give up on him. But what if we'd signed a vet C like Paradis and then drafted our LT of the future in Andre Dillard? We could have dumped Rudy and had a path to dumping Reiff next year.

We might already have the path for dumping rife next year

Good point. It would be great if Udoh ends up being a high-level starter.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/2/2019 11:56:35 PM   
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https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/10/2/20896293/kirk-cousins-parodied-truth-hurts-lizzo

“The Common Man” Dan Cole and company took Lizzo’s ode to bad relationships, “Truth Hurts,” and spun it to say what many have been thinking about Cousins after the first four games of the 2019 season. It is brutal but funny, so take a minute to commiserate and laugh
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 12:17:13 AM   
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Who would have ever thought when first glancing at the 2019 schedule that the week 5 game against the Giants in NJ would be the BIGGEST game of the year?

Nationally televised early game that depending on how game is played could impact the rest of the season profoundly.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 7:30:39 AM   
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Who would have ever thought when first glancing at the 2019 schedule that the week 5 game against the Giants in NJ would be the BIGGEST game of the year?

Nationally televised early game that depending on how game is played could impact the rest of the season profoundly.

I wouldn't have. Still don't.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 9:03:57 AM   
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http://www.startribune.com/for-kirk-cousins-ignorance-is-bliss-as-his-confidence-comes-under-question/562028832/

Meanwhile, if the Vikings are frustrated with the media, they might want to avoid social media because Kirk’s approval rating in Purple Nation is a tad sluggish at the moment. Not that Cousins pays it much attention, he says.

“I’m pretty naive to it,” he said. “You know ignorance is bliss. The only time I’m aware of it is when I have friends or family text me. And the texts they send me you would think somebody died. ‘Hey man, I’m thinking of you.’ Boy, it must not be good out there if that’s what they’re texting me. So I honestly don’t see it so I think that helps.”

As for Zimmer’s directive to “just go play,” Cousins was asked if sometimes he tries too hard for perfection at the expense of pulling the trigger.

“If I said I’m just going to go play, it’s slightly more complicated than that,” he said. “I don’t think you can just go wing it. You have to go out there, read coverages, study film, be prepared, know your motions, your snap counts, your progressions, your footwork, your hots, the blitzes they’re bringing.

“I think if anything, if I were to say, ‘What has not been good enough so far in the first four weeks?’ I would just say some missed opportunities down the field in the play-action game. I would say that’s not trying too hard. Just missed a few throws by a foot or two and a couple other guys I missed in terms of the progression and went to someone else. That’s not catastrophic. That’s not needing a psychology meeting to talk through it. Let’s just try to hit those play passes this week.”
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 9:14:55 AM   
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http://www.startribune.com/for-kirk-cousins-ignorance-is-bliss-as-his-confidence-comes-under-question/562028832/

Meanwhile, if the Vikings are frustrated with the media, they might want to avoid social media because Kirk’s approval rating in Purple Nation is a tad sluggish at the moment. Not that Cousins pays it much attention, he says.

“I’m pretty naive to it,” he said. “You know ignorance is bliss. The only time I’m aware of it is when I have friends or family text me. And the texts they send me you would think somebody died. ‘Hey man, I’m thinking of you.’ Boy, it must not be good out there if that’s what they’re texting me. So I honestly don’t see it so I think that helps.”

As for Zimmer’s directive to “just go play,” Cousins was asked if sometimes he tries too hard for perfection at the expense of pulling the trigger.

“If I said I’m just going to go play, it’s slightly more complicated than that,” he said. “I don’t think you can just go wing it. You have to go out there, read coverages, study film, be prepared, know your motions, your snap counts, your progressions, your footwork, your hots, the blitzes they’re bringing.

“I think if anything, if I were to say, ‘What has not been good enough so far in the first four weeks?’ I would just say some missed opportunities down the field in the play-action game. I would say that’s not trying too hard. Just missed a few throws by a foot or two and a couple other guys I missed in terms of the progression and went to someone else. That’s not catastrophic. That’s not needing a psychology meeting to talk through it. Let’s just try to hit those play passes this week.”


Hes delusional. Everyone knows he cares about his image. Otherwise he wouldn't have apologized to Theilen on a podcast.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 9:47:32 AM   
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Sometimes I wonder how much time some of these coaches spend on management training. Lets face it, you can be great at X's and O's, but be terrible at understanding managing a room full of type "A" personalities. Coaches are human too, they don't just know sit because they are in a position of authority, I just wonder how much training goes on. There are many cases I have had to scratch my head asking "what the hell, management 101", but it goes on.

If you are going to play the tough guy, you better be able to sell it. Most people can see through valid threats. There is a large group of guys in that locker room that jus t went through 17 weeks of training to get to this point of the season. You've stood in front of them telling them what is expected, it's time to let them know you weren't just talking to talk. I'm sure Elf is trying, same with Bradburry, but they are not playing consistent football and because of this, the team suffers. Get Kline back, put Jones in at center and Dozier at Lt guard, see what it looks like in real competition. Do something so the rest of the guys know you are not going to except below average play.

Cousins wears a red jursey all through training camp and that just exasperates his inability to function under pressure. Well, the very first play for the offense, he got happy feet, long before there was pressure and it never imporved. You are not going to bench him now, so you had better be working on a solution to minimize the pressure.

Dana – I would love to see Reiff Dozier Jones Kline O'Neill line up Sunday but change for change sake isn't going to happen on any team.

Jones did not look good for us when he started last year. Did Jones look better last year than Bradbury this year? You are more knowledgeable than I am to call that ... it would be a close call IMO, and the change in system would be a factor. So, not sure Jones would be better or more consistent than Bradbury who, at the very least, as a rookie should improve and (presumably) may become a better player as we go along.

Elflein / Dozier seems like an easy choice to me. Swap 'em.

But this is all based on evaluating the OL through the first 4 games (and really on the two really bad games). Is it technique, strength/athleticism, adapting to the scheme, Cousins problems, all of the above? Cohesion on the OL is pretty critical – I assume Dennison and the staff are evaluating the poor performances versus is there any improvement and can we get to decent sooner than later versus at what point do you commit to changing starters because it just is not working and risk affecting the continuity of not just the starter but the two players on either side?



Some good observations Tom, perhaps we just sit Elf if Kline is ready to go, let Bradbury go at it for another try, but there is a time that the players confidence starts to be part of the equation. For those of you that responded to the post with comments about Jones's play last year, I get that, but that was also a small sample size and a poor offensive scheme, the entire offense wan't very good. Frome what I saw of Jones and read in the tabloids, he had a really good camp and played well during the preseason. I don't know the reason for his release and subsequent return, I'm disconnected from that kind of stuff. I only know what I see from the tape and the tape says Bradbury is struggling pretty bad in the passing game, and that wasn't the best the Bears had to offer last week. He does a good job many times in the run game and I mentioned that if you watch the game closely, Cook unexplainidly (not a word, I know) didn't see several cut back opportunities that would have made the line look so much better than they did. Not sure why Cook chose to just run in to the arms of a waiting LB or Dline guy, but he did and that is something he will see many times on the tape, they can work that out themselves, but it was bad.

So in the run game, there were actually opportunities to get movement, but since they never materialized, (or were simply missed as mentioned above), the pressure went to the worst thing our Oline does, pass blocking against the best pass rushing team in the league. It doesn't take a genius or even an old High School Oline coach to point out what happens next, it was clearly on display at Soldier Sield. The Bears are a playoff team, going to be right in the thick of things at the end of the year, even or especially without MT. They are good and we weren't prepared, it's not all on the Oline.

The Oline pass blocking problem just needs to be fixed or we will end up going with Mannion sooner rather than later. Maybe not a bad thing, but we have all seen what Cousins can do when he has the time, right now he is very skidish and I saw him flee the pocket when there was no eveident pressure last week, that isn't a good sign, he looks scared. I know I could withstand one hit from a 275+ pound Dline guy, he's had several already.

Yes, he holds on the the ball way to long some times, only to check it down for a three yard pass, but the middle of the Oline is letting way too much pressure up the gut and we need to do something to fix it. I'm sure Rocko is working day and night trying to figure it out, but they aren't going to sit their scared QB, they must find him some comfort.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 10:32:14 AM   
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My understanding is Stefon Diggs wasn’t in the building on Monday, either. As the Vikings continue preparation for the Giants, today is a key day to see if Diggs shows up, or if what sources have described as disenchantment with the organization continues to keep him away.

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Stefon Diggs' frustration with #Vikings has simmered, and it came to a head so far this week when deciding not to show up.

Remember, Diggs did not attend a week of OTAs this spring that, while voluntary, were out of character. Referenced "house problems" then.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 11:07:59 AM   
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If Diggs is not practicing today...there is a major problem.
When is practice?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 11:15:25 AM   
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Oh shit....it's on
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 11:21:20 AM   
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And Stefon Diggs is in the building today.

Ben Goessling@GoesslingStrib
Diggs said he missed practice because of a cold yesterday. He said he loves it here, when asked if he wants to be traded. What about the rumors? "There's truth to all rumors."

Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer
Diggs said he “loves it here” when asked if he wants to be traded, but did not say yes or no. Said he “has a role” in #Vikings offense, “but if you want to win and you’re not winning, of course you’re going to be frustrated.”

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A lot to unpack from Stefon Diggs’ media session now. Says he plans to practice today and play Sunday “if they let me.” Diggs said he’s sick and was missing Monday and Wednesday because of illness, but that “there’s truth to all rumors” when asked about his frustration.

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Stefon Diggs on if he's upset about #Vikings offense:
“The space that we’re in right now is definitely is a lot of questions. I can’t sit up here and act like everything is OK because obviously it’s not but I can say at this point I’m just trying to work through it.’’
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 11:48:06 AM   
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/03/stefon-diggs-on-trade-rumors-theres-truth-to-all-rumors/

“I feel there’s truth to all rumors no matter how dress you it up,” Diggs said regarding the rumor that he could be traded, via Chris Tomasson of the St. Paul Pioneer Press. “I won’t be saying nothing on it. I won’t be speaking on it at all. But there is truth to all rumors, I guess.”

While saying nothing he said plenty. And he said more.

“The space that we’re in right now is definitely is a lot of questions,” Diggs said. “I can’t sit up here and act like everything is OK because obviously it’s not but I can say at this point I’m just trying to work through it.”
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 11:48:33 AM   
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Pretty simple...get us the damn ball if you want to win. Put us in the game plan as you haven't much so far. Don't mind both Diggs and Thielen speaking up. Usually you don't give both a big contract and then take the ball completely away from them.

Diggs had 44 targets the first 4 games of 2018, 19 so far.
Thielen had 56 targets the first 4 games of 2018, 22 so far.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 11:54:26 AM   
David F.


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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pretty simple...get us the damn ball if you want to win. Put us in the game plan as you haven't much so far. Don't mind both Diggs and Thielen speaking up. Usually you don't give both a big contract and then take the ball completely away from them.

Diggs had 44 targets the first 4 games of 2018, 19 so far.
Thielen had 56 targets the first 4 games of 2018, 22 so far.


I believe it is that simple. 'That 70's Offense' is stupidity on so many levels.

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 11:55:37 AM   
Ragnarök


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Some serious tension and talk around the building Im sure, as Zimmer is not a guy to let players run his agenda or be bigger than his little general persona...

I sure hope higher up heads stay clear on this one, because left up to going in a Zimmer way the squeaky wheels will not only fall off, but be traded for more magic beans..

It would be another Moss moment to see the current regime ship some of our unhappy top rate self made Vikings players away before they themselves get their walking papers at end of a failed season...

< Message edited by Ragnarök -- 10/3/2019 11:57:41 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 11:56:53 AM   
ronhextall


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If Ziggy thinks he might fire Speilman after the season he would be foolish to let him trade away guys that could fetch high draft picks.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 12:02:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pretty simple...get us the damn ball if you want to win. Put us in the game plan as you haven't much so far. Don't mind both Diggs and Thielen speaking up. Usually you don't give both a big contract and then take the ball completely away from them.

Diggs had 44 targets the first 4 games of 2018, 19 so far.
Thielen had 56 targets the first 4 games of 2018, 22 so far.

I believe they both have achievable production-based incentives in their contracts that they are almost sure to miss that will likely cost them millions, not to mention the impact this will have on their next contract. Their point of view is likely 'I gave them a hometown discount but with incentives that would help make up for much of that, and end up getting screwed due to shitty and timid QB play and throwing less than all other teams'.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2019 12:04:23 PM   
David F.


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I don't believe that Diggs wants out. I think he wants to see the team philosophy change. Those WRs know damn well how often they're open. Is it Kirk? Is it the offensive philosophy (coaching)? This is football at it's highest level and somehow we can't complete forward passes down the field to two of the best WRs in the game? (not to mention one of the best up-and-coming- TEs) From now on every check down to Ham should be scrutinized to the maximum.

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!
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