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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 4:21:39 AM   
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On to players, instead of the officials and league bias. Rudolph leads all TE's in offensive snaps. Even if you believe the narrative that he is a good blocker, it's hard to justify his usage, especially considering his anemic contribution in the passing game. Especially strange, considering that we have a difficult time finding 3 WR's. (I do really like Johnson, though).

We're just so slow in letting go.

Smith isn't a child. It would probably take him two weeks of game action to block as well as Rudolph. And, he actually could stress a defense.

For the most part, we're putting two pass catchers out there. Granted, they are very good, but we are going to need more than that to beat good teams.


I don't really know what to say regarding Rudolph that hasn't been said already. PFF rates his run and pass blocking for this season as the worst of his career. He doesn't even crack the top 50 for TEs in either stat. At the last home game I specifically watched just him and Irv trying to get an idea of how they're actually doing. Rudolph is in the mix on running plays in that he's in the correct area I just don't see him actually make contact with defenders very much.

Like I said, there's really nothing more I can say. He's a fan favorite and the general consensus among his fans is that he's a great blocker and his receiving is poor only because he'd being asked to block. PFF doesn't see it that way and neither do I. Whatever.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 8:48:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

On to players, instead of the officials and league bias. Rudolph leads all TE's in offensive snaps. Even if you believe the narrative that he is a good blocker, it's hard to justify his usage, especially considering his anemic contribution in the passing game. Especially strange, considering that we have a difficult time finding 3 WR's. (I do really like Johnson, though).

We're just so slow in letting go.

Smith isn't a child. It would probably take him two weeks of game action to block as well as Rudolph. And, he actually could stress a defense.

For the most part, we're putting two pass catchers out there. Granted, they are very good, but we are going to need more than that to beat good teams.


I don't really know what to say regarding Rudolph that hasn't been said already. PFF rates his run and pass blocking for this season as the worst of his career. He doesn't even crack the top 50 for TEs in either stat. At the last home game I specifically watched just him and Irv trying to get an idea of how they're actually doing. Rudolph is in the mix on running plays in that he's in the correct area I just don't see him actually make contact with defenders very much.

Like I said, there's really nothing more I can say. He's a fan favorite and the general consensus among his fans is that he's a great blocker and his receiving is poor only because he'd being asked to block. PFF doesn't see it that way and neither do I. Whatever.

Irv looks better to me at both blocking and overall receiving and with a lot of obvious upside. The only place Rudy might still have an edge is in the red zone. I think Irv should be playing more and Rudy only when 2 TEs are needed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 9:12:38 AM   
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I think Rudolph has been blocking better this year than any other point in his career. I recall Zim praising him recently.

Rudolph is in there blocking every play and our running game has looked very good so I can only surmise Rudolph is contributing to it.

I haven't focused in on his blocking nor have any PFF stats to back any of my nonsense up. But he must be doing his job don't ya think?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 9:16:14 AM   
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As for the Lions getting screwed by the Refs last week (and it was so bad that even media outlets were willing to pile on about it) - my fear is that, even on a subconscious level, the refs are going to make a point of giving the Lions a few gift calls this week to make up for it.

And, of course, we're the ones who are playing them this week.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 9:19:20 AM   
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I think Rudolph has been blocking better this year than any other point in his career. I recall Zim praising him recently.

Rudolph is in there blocking every play and our running game has looked very good so I can only surmise Rudolph is contributing to it.

I haven't focused in on his blocking nor have any PFF stats to back any of my nonsense up. But he must be doing his job don't ya think?

In the run game? Maybe. I don't get to see him every play in person. Overall production? Absolutely not! He looks slower than ever and it's showing with his lousy production. Now that I've slammed him he will have a big game. You're welcome guys!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 9:20:55 AM   
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As for the Lions getting screwed by the Refs last week (and it was so bad that even media outlets were willing to pile on about it) - my fear is that, even on a subconscious level, the refs are going to make a point of giving the Lions a few gift calls this week to make up for it.

And, of course, we're the ones who are playing them this week.

Good Point!!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 9:20:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

As for the Lions getting screwed by the Refs last week (and it was so bad that even media outlets were willing to pile on about it) - my fear is that, even on a subconscious level, the refs are going to make a point of giving the Lions a few gift calls this week to make up for it.

And, of course, we're the ones who are playing them this week.

I think we have a much better team overall in terms of talent. If we go out and play ball we should take care of business even though the Lions are getting better.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 9:21:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

As for the Lions getting screwed by the Refs last week (and it was so bad that even media outlets were willing to pile on about it) - my fear is that, even on a subconscious level, the refs are going to make a point of giving the Lions a few gift calls this week to make up for it.

And, of course, we're the ones who are playing them this week.

I think we have a much better team overall in terms of talent. If we go out and play ball we should take care of business even though the Lions are getting better.

Agreed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 9:22:38 AM   
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Bias is as much a human condition as fallibility.


Or the belief of an afterlife.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 9:36:02 AM   
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I wouldn't doubt one bit the refs do everything in their power to give the Lions a victory today.

We will have to win convincingly to overcome all the phantom calls today.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 9:59:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

As for the Lions getting screwed by the Refs last week (and it was so bad that even media outlets were willing to pile on about it) - my fear is that, even on a subconscious level, the refs are going to make a point of giving the Lions a few gift calls this week to make up for it.

And, of course, we're the ones who are playing them this week.

Marty! Back away from Lynn's computer and leave the house, NOW!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 10:47:34 AM   
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FWIW, the Lions lost the week after the Calvin Johnson TD that was called back. Philly won 35-32, don't know if the Eagles had to beat the refs as well.

Perhaps the NFL will just go ahead and officially sanction the Lions as the designated 'victims of bad calls' team.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 11:08:50 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 11:12:42 AM   
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#Vikings veteran return man Marcus Sherels is a healthy scratch today against the #Lions. They needed a roster spot elsewhere, so former first-round pick Mike Hughes likely takes over on punt returns.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 11:13:53 AM   
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Tom Pelissero
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#Vikings veteran return man Marcus Sherels is a healthy scratch today against the #Lions. They needed a roster spot elsewhere, so former first-round pick Mike Hughes likely takes over on punt returns.



Abdullah?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 11:18:46 AM   
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Tom Pelissero
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#Vikings veteran return man Marcus Sherels is a healthy scratch today against the #Lions. They needed a roster spot elsewhere, so former first-round pick Mike Hughes likely takes over on punt returns.



Abdullah?


Not on the list.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 11:40:38 AM   
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Tom Pelissero
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#Vikings veteran return man Marcus Sherels is a healthy scratch today against the #Lions. They needed a roster spot elsewhere, so former first-round pick Mike Hughes likely takes over on punt returns.



Abdullah?


Not on the list.



As an option to return punts.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 11:52:01 AM   
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#Vikings TE David Morgan's contract expected to toll for next year. That would mean him not being free agent in March & having one year left at $720,000 base. NFL CBA says contracts toll if player on PUP in last year of deal is "physically unable to perform" as of the sixth game.

(Chris Tomasson on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 11:56:45 AM   
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Tom Pelissero
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#Vikings veteran return man Marcus Sherels is a healthy scratch today against the #Lions. They needed a roster spot elsewhere, so former first-round pick Mike Hughes likely takes over on punt returns.



Abdullah?


Not on the list.



As an option to return punts.


Risky, but possible? We did have him return 2 punts in the preseason this year. But he hasn't fielded a punt in a real game since his sophomore year of college.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 12:59:07 PM   
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Win or lose, the defense is really overrated regardless of their stats. Det. scored 14 points in the first quarter.

This defense feasts when facing a crappy offense AND playing in the comfy confines in Minny.

Crappy offense OR playing on the road, a mixed bag. GOOD offenses AND playing on the road, they get their asses handed to them.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 3:24:50 PM   
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Win or lose, the defense is really overrated regardless of their stats. Det. scored 14 points in the first quarter.

This defense feasts when facing a crappy offense AND playing in the comfy confines in Minny.

Crappy offense OR playing on the road, a mixed bag. GOOD offenses AND playing on the road, they get their asses handed to them.



No doubt. Spotted GB a 3 TD lead. Sawft against a back up QB.

Didn't do enough against a one-dimensional offense today.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 3:24:52 PM   
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Michael Strahan just called The Vikings the "Most Balanced Team in the NFL"

Meaning they can kill you with both the pass and run

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 3:27:45 PM   
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I only play Thielan on Thursday if he's 100% healthy. No reason to play him against Washington.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 3:28:24 PM   
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Michael Strahan just called The Vikings the "Most Balanced Team in the NFL"

Meaning they can kill you with both the pass and run

Strahan overrates the defense though. I'm glad the offense is killing it. Now we need the defense to step up.

Rhodes is a liability these days.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/20/2019 3:34:22 PM   
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I only play Thielan on Thursday if he's 100% healthy. No reason to play him against Washington.

I bet he doesnt play.
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