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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/16/2020 1:59:13 PM

David F.

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The Texans are giving the Browns a run for their money in the 'dumpster fire of a franchise' award. Wow! I mean, just... wow!

DEANDRE HOPKINS
WR, ARIZONA CARDINALS

Cardinals acquired WR DeAndre Hopkins and a fourth-round pick from the Texans in exchange for RB David Johnson and a second-round pick.
Staggering, stupefying. Bill O'Brien's foolish loss is the Cardinals' immense gain. Hopkins had a "down" 2019 as he caught "only" 104 balls for 1,165 yards and seven touchdowns, but there was quite literally zero evidence he had lost a step. The best body control receiver in the entire NFL still does not turn 28 until June. It's a grievous misstep for Houston and gift of a lifetime for Kyler Murray, who lacked consistent weapons as a rookie. As was the case with Hopkins and Deshaun Watson, he should work beautifully with Murray when the sophomore is outside the pocket. Murray also has the cannon necessary to find Hopkins down the sideline from the pocket. Even with the change of scenery, Hopkins remains a locked-in, top-three WR1. Bill O'Brien, call your attorney.

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He can't stay healthy though...if you look at that angle. In addition David Johnson might be the best receiving RB plus they might draft a very good WR with that 2nd Round pick.

Do you mean that David Johnson can't stay healthy? He's missed two games in seven years.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/16/2020 2:04:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

The Texans are giving the Browns a run for their money in the 'dumpster fire of a franchise' award. Wow! I mean, just... wow!

DEANDRE HOPKINS
WR, ARIZONA CARDINALS

Cardinals acquired WR DeAndre Hopkins and a fourth-round pick from the Texans in exchange for RB David Johnson and a second-round pick.
Staggering, stupefying. Bill O'Brien's foolish loss is the Cardinals' immense gain. Hopkins had a "down" 2019 as he caught "only" 104 balls for 1,165 yards and seven touchdowns, but there was quite literally zero evidence he had lost a step. The best body control receiver in the entire NFL still does not turn 28 until June. It's a grievous misstep for Houston and gift of a lifetime for Kyler Murray, who lacked consistent weapons as a rookie. As was the case with Hopkins and Deshaun Watson, he should work beautifully with Murray when the sophomore is outside the pocket. Murray also has the cannon necessary to find Hopkins down the sideline from the pocket. Even with the change of scenery, Hopkins remains a locked-in, top-three WR1. Bill O'Brien, call your attorney.

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Stooopid!

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He can't stay healthy though...if you look at that angle. In addition David Johnson might be the best receiving RB plus they might draft a very good WR with that 2nd Round pick.

Do you mean that David Johnson can't stay healthy? He's missed two games in seven years.

Nope, Hopkins has had hammy issues 2 of the last 3 years. Basically Quest every game.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/16/2020 6:33:37 PM

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Weatherly to Panthers 2yrs. 12M

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/16/2020 6:49:46 PM

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I really hope the Bears trade for Foles or Dalton. Neither scare me at all.

I really hope all the FA QBs and draft QBs drive the QB price down. I'd love to see us give a guy like Mariota or Winston a 1 year deal.

No big loss on Weatherly. We have the best dline coach in the business and can easily replace his snaps/production. Not worth the price and we'll probably get a comp pick out of it.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/16/2020 8:09:23 PM

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From Chris Tomasson:

Stephen Weatherly told me he'll miss being with #Vikings: "It's home. I've been there for four years. Everybody has been so nice with all these messages on Instagram... It's such an amazing city and the team was super dope, too. Honestly, I'm just blessed.''

https://twitter.com/christomasson/status/1239702378112331776

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/16/2020 8:53:26 PM

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I would have preferred to keep Weatherly over Griffen.

I mean, it's time to get younger.

< Message edited by Bruce Johnson -- 3/16/2020 8:57:58 PM >

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/16/2020 9:10:58 PM

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I would have preferred to keep Weatherly over Griffen.

I mean, it's time to get younger.

Got to trust Andre Patterson on this one.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/16/2020 11:16:06 PM

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I would have preferred to keep Weatherly over Griffen.

I mean, it's time to get younger.

Got to trust Andre Patterson on this one.

Still no word on Griffen. Maybe soon.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/16/2020 11:27:27 PM

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I would have preferred to keep Weatherly over Griffen.

I mean, it's time to get younger.

Got to trust Andre Patterson on this one.

Still no word on Griffen. Maybe soon.

There is so much cap space out there. I could see Griffen getting an offer he couldn't refuse.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/16/2020 11:48:06 PM

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I would have preferred to keep Weatherly over Griffen.

I mean, it's time to get younger.

I think I agree. Tough choice. I think Griffin is still a little better, but not by much.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 4:40:29 AM

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I would have preferred to keep Weatherly over Griffen.

I mean, it's time to get younger.

I think I agree. Tough choice. I think Griffin is still a little better, but not by much.

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weatherly became expendable with the development of ifeadi, and $6m/yr is not good value...griffen is still a much better player in the short term...we'll draft a de in the first two days of draft....

i'm surprised that diggs is so excited about going to buffalo - outdoors and cold - our facilities being state-of-the-art...he must really dislike zimmer/cousins....

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 5:52:25 AM

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I would have preferred to keep Weatherly over Griffen.

I mean, it's time to get younger.

I think I agree. Tough choice. I think Griffin is still a little better, but not by much.

Its not close. Griffith is much better.

The issue is money. And paying an older dude who may start to decline sooner rather than later.

You can assume Weatherly will continue to improve and be better but that is all assumption with no guarantee. The better bet seems to be on Odenigbo.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 5:58:02 AM

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another 3rd would be great - a 4th/5th would be nice, but that might be wishful thinking....

Ian Rapoport@RapSheet
The #Vikings surprisingly applied the franchise tag to safety Anthony Harris but acknowledged to teams that Harris could be had for a mid-to-late round draft pick, source said. A potential tag and trade candidate.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 7:21:50 AM

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With our current draft stock the prudent move would have been to wait for the comp pick. Wasted value.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 7:36:46 AM

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With our current draft stock the prudent move would have been to wait for the comp pick. Wasted value.

Yeah.

I would say now either keep him for a year or trade him for a veteran OLineman, DT, WR or CB(starter).

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 7:41:42 AM

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With our current draft stock the prudent move would have been to wait for the comp pick. Wasted value.

Yeah.

I would say now either keep him for a year or trade him for a veteran OLineman, DT, WR or CB(starter).

If it's a third rounder received in a trade I am good. If it is less than I agree.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 7:43:50 AM

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With our current draft stock the prudent move would have been to wait for the comp pick. Wasted value.

Yeah.

I would say now either keep him for a year or trade him for a veteran OLineman, DT, WR or CB(starter).

If it's a third rounder received in a trade I am good. If it is less than I agree.

Yeah. You can use an extra 3rd to get into the mid to late teens if somebody drops.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 8:46:56 AM

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With our current draft stock the prudent move would have been to wait for the comp pick. Wasted value.

Another short timer move by Spielman in an effort to save his job. Can't blame him though this is more on the Wilf brothers.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 9:35:10 AM

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With our current draft stock the prudent move would have been to wait for the comp pick. Wasted value.

We can rescind the tag if we don't get the pick we want (I think?) and that would put us right back in the compensatory pick getting. The compensatory pick will depend on who we sign as free agents as well. We'll lose Harris (maybe) for a big contract, Weatherly got $12 over two years, Rhodes, Waynes, and Linval should get contracts but we don't know who we'll sign. A DT like Reader and a good guard and possibly a mid-tier WR and it's possible our compensatory pick isn't great anyway. Too many variables to say for sure but I think we can always rescind that franchise tag if needed.

EDIT - I just remembered we cut Rhodes and Linval so they count for nothing.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 10:26:35 AM

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I would have preferred to keep Weatherly over Griffen.

I mean, it's time to get younger.

I think I agree. Tough choice. I think Griffin is still a little better, but not by much.

.
weatherly became expendable with the development of ifeadi, and $6m/yr is not good value...griffen is still a much better player in the short term...we'll draft a de in the first two days of draft....

i'm surprised that diggs is so excited about going to buffalo - outdoors and cold - our facilities being state-of-the-art...he must really dislike zimmer/cousins....

6 Million a year is about right for Weatherly. I read the report saying he was getting 6 million over 2 years and thought it was 3 million a year hence my thinking that he was a very good value.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 10:28:11 AM

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Playing both angles with Harris to bolster arguments.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 10:58:18 AM

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Is there anything to the rumor that the patriots are interested in Teddy? I've seen this reported on a few sites.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 11:08:41 AM

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Is there anything to the rumor that the patriots are interested in Teddy? I've seen this reported on a few sites.

Charlie Weiss said on Sirius NFL this morning that he thinks they'll go after Teddy or Andy Dalton.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 11:18:03 AM

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Rumor is the #Vikings are interested in guard Joe Haeg. My guess is that if they sign him, Riley Reiff will be released.

(Warren Ludford on Twitter)

Reading this I am speculating that he stays with the Colts.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/16/nfl-free-agency-indianapolis-colts-joe-haeg-interest-multiple-teams/

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/17/2020 11:23:03 AM

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Rumor is the #Vikings are interested in guard Joe Haeg. My guess is that if they sign him, Riley Reiff will be released.

(Warren Ludford on Twitter)

Reading this I am speculating that he stays with the Colts.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/16/nfl-free-agency-indianapolis-colts-joe-haeg-interest-multiple-teams/

Played every position on the line---get him.
https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/16/nfl-free-agency-indianapolis-colts-joe-haeg-interest-multiple-teams/

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