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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/29/2020 11:12:52 PM

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https://thevikingage.com/2020/04/29/4-minnesota-vikings-udfa-make-team-2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/29/2020 11:29:50 PM

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I don't see Osborne as a lock, he doesn't even look that great as a return guy.

They can keep Abdullah for that.

I posted some of the Quartney Davis highlights yesterday, it seems he might have a good shot.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/29/2020 11:39:38 PM

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Video breakdown of Kyle Hinton. It's against DII linemen, but his dominance is almost ridiculous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uyseRcDqX0

Do you think his best NFL position is guard or tackle. The guy is a football bully. With a limited off-season, I would not bet on him being a starter this year, but next year? Maybe.

Definitely not expecting him to start this year. He needs to experience what it's like playing against higher level players in practice for at least a year before he's ready. He's being projected as a guard in the NFL.

When I listened to Spielman he said Hinton was projected to Guard or CENTER. Hinton has never played center but he has the skillset.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 12:10:39 AM

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Video breakdown of Kyle Hinton. It's against DII linemen, but his dominance is almost ridiculous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uyseRcDqX0

Do you think his best NFL position is guard or tackle. The guy is a football bully. With a limited off-season, I would not bet on him being a starter this year, but next year? Maybe.

Definitely not expecting him to start this year. He needs to experience what it's like playing against higher level players in practice for at least a year before he's ready. He's being projected as a guard in the NFL.

When I listened to Spielman he said Hinton was projected to Guard or CENTER. Hinton has never played center but he has the skillset.

Other than that whole snapping the ball thing...

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 4:58:44 AM

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I don't see Osborne as a lock, he doesn't even look that great as a return guy.

They can keep Abdullah for that.

I posted some of the Quartney Davis highlights yesterday, it seems he might have a good shot.

He's a punt return guy to replace Sherels. He's going to be a special teams player, I believe. I like Davis, too to make the roster.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 8:19:47 AM

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I don't see Osborne as a lock, he doesn't even look that great as a return guy.

They can keep Abdullah for that.

I posted some of the Quartney Davis highlights yesterday, it seems he might have a good shot.

He's a punt return guy to replace Sherels. He's going to be a special teams player, I believe. I like Davis, too to make the roster.

With rosters going to 55 players and Game Day going to 48, you can probably keep a player that specializes in one thing.

But, I am not all that impressed with Osborn(just looking at highlights).

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 9:48:01 AM

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I don't see Osborne as a lock, he doesn't even look that great as a return guy.

They can keep Abdullah for that.

I posted some of the Quartney Davis highlights yesterday, it seems he might have a good shot.

He's a punt return guy to replace Sherels. He's going to be a special teams player, I believe. I like Davis, too to make the roster.

With rosters going to 55 players and Game Day going to 48, you can probably keep a player that specializes in one thing.

But, I am not all that impressed with Osborn(just looking at highlights).

They should have taken Tyler Johnson at 155 instead of trading out of the pick and traded out of the pick they used on Osborn. There are so many ways to scare up a punt returner. It's like using draft picks on a punter.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 9:54:56 AM

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I don't see Osborne as a lock, he doesn't even look that great as a return guy.

They can keep Abdullah for that.

I posted some of the Quartney Davis highlights yesterday, it seems he might have a good shot.

He's a punt return guy to replace Sherels. He's going to be a special teams player, I believe. I like Davis, too to make the roster.

Three seasons in a row of over 10 yards per punt return with last year 15.9 yards per return. Good sample size and ridiculous productivity.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 10:41:32 AM

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Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 11:06:25 AM

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Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

It's hilarious that the people defending the move are framing it as ... the Packers are sending Aaron Rodgers a message. What message? I hate the asshole, but he completed 62% of his passes for 26 TD and only 4 int and led his team to the NFC title game. I think the only message they sent him is that they don't know what the f*** they are doing.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 11:12:31 AM

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Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

Don't know how 'expert' they are but Chicago is tied for 28th and Detroit is 17th.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 11:16:00 AM

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And the NFL.com guy did what he is supposed to do which is assign high grades to most teams. Actually, he went over and above:

20 A
8 B+
3 B
1 C+

Keeps the fans tuning in to big daddy NFL.com

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 11:41:28 AM

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Yahoo Sports did a poll among 120 college coaches on who they though were the steals of the draft. Described as straight-up talent analysis from those who studied film and across the sideline.
Baylor defensive tackle James Lynch won the award for the most effusive praise among Power 5 coaches. A couple coaches used J.J Watt's as a comparison. One comment, " He was the toughest pure football player we saw all year. Not saying he will be this good, but he reminds me of a J.J. Watt-type player. He played with that type of motor and toughness. Just seemed like he loved everything about playing football.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 1:27:28 PM

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Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

Don't know how 'expert' they are but Chicago is tied for 28th and Detroit is 17th.

It's tough for Chicago to have a big score when they didn't have a first rounder. They also gave up a fourth, which should be a high fourth for Nick Foles to challenge Trubisky whom they gave up the farm for. They could have waited until today and picked up Andy Dalton for nothing. And then they selected a tight end so that they can lead the league in tight ends, or something. Still, Green Bay did worse.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 1:37:56 PM

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Yahoo Sports did a poll among 120 college coaches on who they though were the steals of the draft. Described as straight-up talent analysis from those who studied film and across the sideline.
Baylor defensive tackle James Lynch won the award for the most effusive praise among Power 5 coaches. A couple coaches used J.J Watt's as a comparison. One comment, " He was the toughest pure football player we saw all year. Not saying he will be this good, but he reminds me of a J.J. Watt-type player. He played with that type of motor and toughness. Just seemed like he loved everything about playing football.

Lynch is my favorite pick from the draft and the reason I am quite glad we didn't trade up in the third for Madubuike, Gallimore or Elliott. He looks so good on tape.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 1:39:38 PM

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Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

Don't know how 'expert' they are but Chicago is tied for 28th and Detroit is 17th.

It's tough for Chicago to have a big score when they didn't have a first rounder. They also gave up a fourth, which should be a high fourth for Nick Foles to challenge Trubisky whom they gave up the farm for. They could have waited until today and picked up Andy Dalton for nothing. And then they selected a tight end so that they can lead the league in tight ends, or something. Still, Green Bay did worse.

Good post on CHI. Who would you rather have Dalton or Foles (taking out cost)? Dalton is much more consistent but Foles has the chops getting hot to win a SB and lead the eagles to the playoffs in 18. I think with the team's defense I'd go with Dalton.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 1:39:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats

Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

Don't know how 'expert' they are but Chicago is tied for 28th and Detroit is 17th.

It's tough for Chicago to have a big score when they didn't have a first rounder. They also gave up a fourth, which should be a high fourth for Nick Foles to challenge Trubisky whom they gave up the farm for. They could have waited until today and picked up Andy Dalton for nothing. And then they selected a tight end so that they can lead the league in tight ends, or something. Still, Green Bay did worse.

If Love is the next Favre/Rodgers than the Pukers did the right thing. I don't think he is.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 2:01:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats

Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

Don't know how 'expert' they are but Chicago is tied for 28th and Detroit is 17th.

It's tough for Chicago to have a big score when they didn't have a first rounder. They also gave up a fourth, which should be a high fourth for Nick Foles to challenge Trubisky whom they gave up the farm for. They could have waited until today and picked up Andy Dalton for nothing. And then they selected a tight end so that they can lead the league in tight ends, or something. Still, Green Bay did worse.

If Love is the next Favre/Rodgers than the Pukers did the right thing. I don't think he is.

My sense is that Rodgers time in Green Bay is limited. Whenever Love is ready they will move on from Rodgers via trade or some other avenue. That's what they did with Favre and I believe they will follow the same blueprint.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 2:05:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats

Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

Don't know how 'expert' they are but Chicago is tied for 28th and Detroit is 17th.

It's tough for Chicago to have a big score when they didn't have a first rounder. They also gave up a fourth, which should be a high fourth for Nick Foles to challenge Trubisky whom they gave up the farm for. They could have waited until today and picked up Andy Dalton for nothing. And then they selected a tight end so that they can lead the league in tight ends, or something. Still, Green Bay did worse.

It really can't be overstated how devastating that move was for the Bears.

Bears gave up their (very high) 3rd and 4th round picks as well as their 3rd round pick the next year to move up 1 spot from 3 to 2 to take Trubisky.

Meanwhile, Patrick Mahomes went 10th and Deshaun Watson went 12th...

Those 3 picks they gave up?

2017 3rd round: Alvin Kamara
2017 4th round: Tedric Thompson (part time starter at safety for Seattle)
2018 3rd round: Fred Warner (2 year starting LBer for the 49ers)

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 2:15:58 PM

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here's a consensus list of the top udfa's and teams that selected them...quartney davis is 4th on the list, but then the Vikes don't have another until clarke at #64....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/101mplG0FrREB6Zpsbx-V_vfsNxWv5qfqn00FEYWWpdo/edit#gid=0

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 3:23:39 PM

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here's a consensus list of the top udfa's and teams that selected them...quartney davis is 4th on the list, but then the Vikes don't have another until clarke at #64....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/101mplG0FrREB6Zpsbx-V_vfsNxWv5qfqn00FEYWWpdo/edit#gid=0

I thought Dorn and Higby were also pretty high on the UDFA list. I think we gave Clarke a $100K signing bonus. I see Dorn at #75 and Higby at #131.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 3:23:40 PM

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here's a consensus list of the top udfa's and teams that selected them...quartney davis is 4th on the list, but then the Vikes don't have another until clarke at #64....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/101mplG0FrREB6Zpsbx-V_vfsNxWv5qfqn00FEYWWpdo/edit#gid=0

I stopped counting at 25 WR's through the first 204 players. The WR draft was really deep is what we were hearing and I guess that is confirmation.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 3:29:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats

Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

Don't know how 'expert' they are but Chicago is tied for 28th and Detroit is 17th.

It's tough for Chicago to have a big score when they didn't have a first rounder. They also gave up a fourth, which should be a high fourth for Nick Foles to challenge Trubisky whom they gave up the farm for. They could have waited until today and picked up Andy Dalton for nothing. And then they selected a tight end so that they can lead the league in tight ends, or something. Still, Green Bay did worse.

If Love is the next Favre/Rodgers than the Pukers did the right thing. I don't think he is.

My sense is that Rodgers time in Green Bay is limited. Whenever Love is ready they will move on from Rodgers via trade or some other avenue. That's what they did with Favre and I believe they will follow the same blueprint.

I'm not sure Rodgers' contract is even movable for the next 2-3 seasons.

My guess is by the time they move on from Rodgers, Love isn't even on the team anymore...

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 3:32:03 PM

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here's a consensus list of the top udfa's and teams that selected them...quartney davis is 4th on the list, but then the Vikes don't have another until clarke at #64....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/101mplG0FrREB6Zpsbx-V_vfsNxWv5qfqn00FEYWWpdo/edit#gid=0

I stopped counting at 25 WR's through the first 204 players. The WR draft was really deep is what we were hearing and I guess that is confirmation.

and the Packers, who desperately needed WR help, drafted exactly ZERO of them.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/30/2020 3:33:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats

Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

Don't know how 'expert' they are but Chicago is tied for 28th and Detroit is 17th.

It's tough for Chicago to have a big score when they didn't have a first rounder. They also gave up a fourth, which should be a high fourth for Nick Foles to challenge Trubisky whom they gave up the farm for. They could have waited until today and picked up Andy Dalton for nothing. And then they selected a tight end so that they can lead the league in tight ends, or something. Still, Green Bay did worse.

If Love is the next Favre/Rodgers than the Pukers did the right thing. I don't think he is.

My sense is that Rodgers time in Green Bay is limited. Whenever Love is ready they will move on from Rodgers via trade or some other avenue. That's what they did with Favre and I believe they will follow the same blueprint.

I'm not sure Rodgers' contract is even movable for the next 2-3 seasons.

My guess is by the time they move on from Rodgers, Love isn't even on the team anymore...

Aaron Rodgers contract dead cap money:
2020 - $51,148,000
2021 - $31,556,000
2022 - $17,204,000
2023 - $2,852,000

Erin and the Pukes are joined at the hip for the next 3 years.

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