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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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here's a consensus list of the top udfa's and teams that selected them...quartney davis is 4th on the list, but then the Vikes don't have another until clarke at #64....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/101mplG0FrREB6Zpsbx-V_vfsNxWv5qfqn00FEYWWpdo/edit#gid=0

I stopped counting at 25 WR's through the first 204 players. The WR draft was really deep is what we were hearing and I guess that is confirmation.

and the Packers, who desperately needed WR help, drafted exactly ZERO of them.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://thevikingage.com/2020/04/30/5-players-minnesota-vikings-regret-passing-2020/6/

Shane Lemieux – G (Oregon)

Lemieux was on the board for each of the Vikings’ picks in the fourth round. He’s a big, mean, physical blocker who was a four-year starter at Oregon. He really excels at pass blocking and he was a guy Minnesota could’ve added in the fourth round who would’ve come in and been a favorite to start on their offensive line in 2020.

Tyler Johnson – WR (Minnesota)

Minnesota was on the clock with the 10th pick in the fifth round this year. Surprisingly, Johnson was still on the board. But instead of taking him, the Vikings just traded down again

Amik Robertson – CB (Louisiana Tech)

It must’ve been his 5-foot-8 frame that caused this aggressive cornerback to fall. No matter how much he proved to be a playmaker on tape and in the stat book, his size likely scared off a lot of teams. The Las Vegas Raiders finally took him with the 139th overall pick, but the Vikings could’ve had him multiple times before that.

Prince Tega Wanogho – OT (Auburn)

Instead of taking the SEC battle-tested lineman, Minnesota selected the unheralded Blake Brandel from Oregon State. Time will tell if this was the right decision, but Tega Wanogho was a player who was projected to go much higher.

Antoine Winfield Jr. – DB (Minnesota)

This one hurt Vikings fans probably more than it hurt the Vikings. Antoine Winfield Jr. would’ve been a very popular player for the Vikings, being the son of a former franchise legend and a former Minnesota Golden Gopher.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Spielman may have got A's from all the talking heads. I think he did do a great job navigating the draft.

However, not selecting Lemieux and Johnson in the 4th and 5th respectively, drops his grade to a C+ in my book.

LG is currently a sink hole on this team.
Johnson I think has chops and we needed better quality depth behind AT and JJ.

Brandel over Wanogho is questionable.

Winfield was always a pipe dream.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats

Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

Don't know how 'expert' they are but Chicago is tied for 28th and Detroit is 17th.

It's tough for Chicago to have a big score when they didn't have a first rounder. They also gave up a fourth, which should be a high fourth for Nick Foles to challenge Trubisky whom they gave up the farm for. They could have waited until today and picked up Andy Dalton for nothing. And then they selected a tight end so that they can lead the league in tight ends, or something. Still, Green Bay did worse.

If Love is the next Favre/Rodgers than the Pukers did the right thing. I don't think he is.

My sense is that Rodgers time in Green Bay is limited. Whenever Love is ready they will move on from Rodgers via trade or some other avenue. That's what they did with Favre and I believe they will follow the same blueprint.

I'm not sure Rodgers' contract is even movable for the next 2-3 seasons.

My guess is by the time they move on from Rodgers, Love isn't even on the team anymore...

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://thevikingage.com/2020/04/30/5-players-minnesota-vikings-regret-passing-2020/6/

Shane Lemieux – G (Oregon)

Lemieux was on the board for each of the Vikings’ picks in the fourth round. He’s a big, mean, physical blocker who was a four-year starter at Oregon. He really excels at pass blocking and he was a guy Minnesota could’ve added in the fourth round who would’ve come in and been a favorite to start on their offensive line in 2020.

Tyler Johnson – WR (Minnesota)

Minnesota was on the clock with the 10th pick in the fifth round this year. Surprisingly, Johnson was still on the board. But instead of taking him, the Vikings just traded down again

Amik Robertson – CB (Louisiana Tech)

It must’ve been his 5-foot-8 frame that caused this aggressive cornerback to fall. No matter how much he proved to be a playmaker on tape and in the stat book, his size likely scared off a lot of teams. The Las Vegas Raiders finally took him with the 139th overall pick, but the Vikings could’ve had him multiple times before that.

Prince Tega Wanogho – OT (Auburn)

Instead of taking the SEC battle-tested lineman, Minnesota selected the unheralded Blake Brandel from Oregon State. Time will tell if this was the right decision, but Tega Wanogho was a player who was projected to go much higher.

Antoine Winfield Jr. – DB (Minnesota)

This one hurt Vikings fans probably more than it hurt the Vikings. Antoine Winfield Jr. would’ve been a very popular player for the Vikings, being the son of a former franchise legend and a former Minnesota Golden Gopher.

Lemieux according to NFL.com: Lacks lateral movement qualities to get to reach blocks consistently

Prince according to NFL.com: Lacks lateral movement qualities to get to reach blocks consistently

We already got a better Tyler Johnson in the first round.

We currently have two of the best safeties in the entire league; no way do we pick Winfield where would have needed to.

Loved Robertson, but we'd already taken two much better CBs.

Time will tell on all of our quibbles with the Vikings' draft, and there are legit alternatives that seriously raise eyebrows, but this is a horrible list of alternatives.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://thevikingage.com/2020/04/30/5-players-minnesota-vikings-regret-passing-2020/6/

Shane Lemieux – G (Oregon)

Lemieux was on the board for each of the Vikings’ picks in the fourth round. He’s a big, mean, physical blocker who was a four-year starter at Oregon. He really excels at pass blocking and he was a guy Minnesota could’ve added in the fourth round who would’ve come in and been a favorite to start on their offensive line in 2020.

Tyler Johnson – WR (Minnesota)

Minnesota was on the clock with the 10th pick in the fifth round this year. Surprisingly, Johnson was still on the board. But instead of taking him, the Vikings just traded down again

Amik Robertson – CB (Louisiana Tech)

It must’ve been his 5-foot-8 frame that caused this aggressive cornerback to fall. No matter how much he proved to be a playmaker on tape and in the stat book, his size likely scared off a lot of teams. The Las Vegas Raiders finally took him with the 139th overall pick, but the Vikings could’ve had him multiple times before that.

Prince Tega Wanogho – OT (Auburn)

Instead of taking the SEC battle-tested lineman, Minnesota selected the unheralded Blake Brandel from Oregon State. Time will tell if this was the right decision, but Tega Wanogho was a player who was projected to go much higher.

Antoine Winfield Jr. – DB (Minnesota)

This one hurt Vikings fans probably more than it hurt the Vikings. Antoine Winfield Jr. would’ve been a very popular player for the Vikings, being the son of a former franchise legend and a former Minnesota Golden Gopher.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Spielman may have got A's from all the talking heads. I think he did do a great job navigating the draft.

However, not selecting Lemieux and Johnson in the 4th and 5th respectively, drops his grade to a C+ in my book.

LG is currently a sink hole on this team.
Johnson I think has chops and we needed better quality depth behind AT and JJ.

Brandel over Wanogho is questionable.

Winfield was always a pipe dream.

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I don't see Osborne as a lock, he doesn't even look that great as a return guy.

They can keep Abdullah for that.

I posted some of the Quartney Davis highlights yesterday, it seems he might have a good shot.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

That's it. Thank you!

Ricky!!!!

How are ya bud!

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats

Not sure this was posted anywhere. Composite of 22 draft experts

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1255101842427719680/photo/1

Vikings 2nd overall (3.83 avg grade). Cowboys 1st with (3.88 avg grade).
Packers DEAD last with a (1.02 average grade). HILARIOUS.

Don't know how 'expert' they are but Chicago is tied for 28th and Detroit is 17th.

It's tough for Chicago to have a big score when they didn't have a first rounder. They also gave up a fourth, which should be a high fourth for Nick Foles to challenge Trubisky whom they gave up the farm for. They could have waited until today and picked up Andy Dalton for nothing. And then they selected a tight end so that they can lead the league in tight ends, or something. Still, Green Bay did worse.

If Love is the next Favre/Rodgers than the Pukers did the right thing. I don't think he is.

My sense is that Rodgers time in Green Bay is limited. Whenever Love is ready they will move on from Rodgers via trade or some other avenue. That's what they did with Favre and I believe they will follow the same blueprint.

I'm not sure Rodgers' contract is even movable for the next 2-3 seasons.

My guess is by the time they move on from Rodgers, Love isn't even on the team anymore...

Aaron Rodgers contract dead cap money:
2020 - $51,148,000
2021 - $31,556,000
2022 - $17,204,000
2023 - $2,852,000

Erin and the Pukes are joined at the hip for the next 3 years.

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Spielman may have got A's from all the talking heads. I think he did do a great job navigating the draft.

However, not selecting Lemieux and Johnson in the 4th and 5th respectively, drops his grade to a C+ in my book.

LG is currently a sink hole on this team.
Johnson I think has chops and we needed better quality depth behind AT and JJ.

Brandel over Wanogho is questionable.

Winfield was always a pipe dream.

Like most of us, I get caught up in names and guys I've watched play at my favorite schools, but I tend to trust the paid scouting groups more than I do the few blerps I read on guys as the draft approaches.

I also was hoping for different guys at those spots, but after seeing the tape and reading the bio's on the guys we did take, I can't honestly say that I fault the Vikings for not taking the player I liked, I'm no scout and certainly hadn't done the kind of homework these guys do going into the draft. On a lot of boards, Brandel was rated 6th or 7th best tackle prospect, we got him at a very solid value and I really didn't know who he was. I can't drop them or judge them just because I don't know what they know.

You dropped a pretty solid draft down quite a bit for players in the 4th and 5th rounds, this is the areas of the draft that would only effect a "+" or "-" to the grade total for me. I give the team an initial B+, but it was really hard not to give them an "A". JMHO,

I certainly respect your right to grade any way you feel and I have been posting on these boards with you a long time and mean no disrespect at all, I'm just offering my opinion on the subject!

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Just chatted with 11 of the 12 #Vikings UDFAs. The main takeaway: All of the newcomers who played college football with a current member of the team's roster are basically best friends with that person.

(Sam Ekstrom on Twitter)

I don't think this a coincidence. It's possible that Spielman is listening to feedback from players and values new players having a mentor. I've heard it said that it's better to be a UFA than a late round pick. These players are very young and it must be scary to play with the big boys. A familiar face must be very welcome.

When I think about it some more, I can recall Harrison Smith and Kyle Rudolph came from Notre Dame, Barr and Kendricks played in the same defense at UCLA, and I believe there were other examples in the past. I'm sure some of it with the UFA's is that they want to come to Minnesota because there is a reason to choose the Vikings over another team, but I'm thinking that it's Spielman's little trick to help the team build better chemistry and for the players to be happier here.

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Spielman may have got A's from all the talking heads. I think he did do a great job navigating the draft.

However, not selecting Lemieux and Johnson in the 4th and 5th respectively, drops his grade to a C+ in my book.

LG is currently a sink hole on this team.
Johnson I think has chops and we needed better quality depth behind AT and JJ.

Brandel over Wanogho is questionable.

Winfield was always a pipe dream.

Like most of us, I get caught up in names and guys I've watched play at my favorite schools, but I tend to trust the paid scouting groups more than I do the few blerps I read on guys as the draft approaches.

I also was hoping for different guys at those spots, but after seeing the tape and reading the bio's on the guys we did take, I can't honestly say that I fault the Vikings for not taking the player I liked, I'm no scout and certainly hadn't done the kind of homework these guys do going into the draft. On a lot of boards, Brandel was rated 6th or 7th best tackle prospect, we got him at a very solid value and I really didn't know who he was. I can't drop them or judge them just because I don't know what they know.

You dropped a pretty solid draft down quite a bit for players in the 4th and 5th rounds, this is the areas of the draft that would only effect a "+" or "-" to the grade total for me. I give the team an initial B+, but it was really hard not to give them an "A". JMHO,

I certainly respect your right to grade any way you feel and I have been posting on these boards with you a long time and mean no disrespect at all, I'm just offering my opinion on the subject!

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I'm still surprised he slid to the seventh round. Willekes was consistently disruptive and is MSU's all-time leader in TFLs (51). He had 16 TFLs and 10.5 sacks last year. Willekes was named Big Ten Defensive Lineman of the Year in 2018. A steal for the #Vikings.

(Daniel House on Twitter)