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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 12:39:04 PM   
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I have a feeling this may be a year we trade up in the first. Most likely for a WR, OL or CB they covet.

This mock has us trading up for Jeudy.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-mock-draft-dolphins-trade-up-for-justin-herbert-jaguars-land-tua-tagovailoa/

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 1:02:14 PM   
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I have a feeling this may be a year we trade up in the first. Most likely for a WR, OL or CB they covet.

This mock has us trading up for Jeudy.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-mock-draft-dolphins-trade-up-for-justin-herbert-jaguars-land-tua-tagovailoa/

I don't see that happening. Spielman isn't one to trade up to draft a position that is incredibly deep. The position evaluations I have read indicate that there isn't a big drop between first and second tier receivers in this draft.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 1:13:34 PM   
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I have a feeling this may be a year we trade up in the first. Most likely for a WR, OL or CB they covet.

This mock has us trading up for Jeudy.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-mock-draft-dolphins-trade-up-for-justin-herbert-jaguars-land-tua-tagovailoa/

I don't see that happening. Spielman isn't one to trade up to draft a position that is incredibly deep. The position evaluations I have read indicate that there isn't a big drop between first and second tier receivers in this draft.


Maybe for one of the tackles or corners?

We have 12 picks and Harris as possible trading chip.

Unless they/we are convinced one of the wide outs is transcendent; I agree moving up to draft one would be unwise and unlikely this year.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 1:18:32 PM   
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I have a feeling this may be a year we trade up in the first. Most likely for a WR, OL or CB they covet.

This mock has us trading up for Jeudy.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-mock-draft-dolphins-trade-up-for-justin-herbert-jaguars-land-tua-tagovailoa/

I don't see that happening. Spielman isn't one to trade up to draft a position that is incredibly deep. The position evaluations I have read indicate that there isn't a big drop between first and second tier receivers in this draft.


Maybe for one of the tackles or corners?

We have 12 picks and Harris as possible trading chip.

Unless they/we are convinced one of the wide outs is transcendent; I agree moving up to draft one would be unwise and unlikely this year.

The depth of WR and the number of picks plus Harris certainly does give the Vikings the ability to move up for another position of need. They have the luxury of taking a WR at #25 or even in the second round.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 1:20:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Murph

I have a feeling this may be a year we trade up in the first. Most likely for a WR, OL or CB they covet.

This mock has us trading up for Jeudy.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-mock-draft-dolphins-trade-up-for-justin-herbert-jaguars-land-tua-tagovailoa/

I don't see that happening. Spielman isn't one to trade up to draft a position that is incredibly deep. The position evaluations I have read indicate that there isn't a big drop between first and second tier receivers in this draft.


Maybe for one of the tackles or corners?

We have 12 picks and Harris as possible trading chip.

Unless they/we are convinced one of the wide outs is transcendent; I agree moving up to draft one would be unwise and unlikely this year.

If we trade up I really hope it is for Wirfs because he can play tackle or guard. We play him at guard this year and decide if we want to switch him to tackle next year.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 2:03:33 PM   
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Look at our 2 most recent drafts

Slam dunk prospect = Bradbury

Developmental, risky prospect = O'Neill

So much uncertainty. Dont take one too high unless they are truely elite. Better to take 2 later than 1 early

(Steezo on Twitter)

In general I agree. I don't see how Bradbury went wrong.


Rookie year....we don't know yet.



i don't trust 1st round picks anymore...i'd definitely trade back with at least one of ours....

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 2:38:22 PM   
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I have a feeling this may be a year we trade up in the first. Most likely for a WR, OL or CB they covet.

This mock has us trading up for Jeudy.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-mock-draft-dolphins-trade-up-for-justin-herbert-jaguars-land-tua-tagovailoa/

I don't see that happening. Spielman isn't one to trade up to draft a position that is incredibly deep. The position evaluations I have read indicate that there isn't a big drop between first and second tier receivers in this draft.


That reminds me of the 2014 draft. I just read this the other day. Buffalo traded up paying a big price to get Sammy Watkins at #4, but later in the draft were Mike Evans, Odell Beckham, Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Davante Adams, Allan Robinson and probably others that are decent or better than decent. It kind of reminds me that I don't want to select a WR in the first round. It is indeed a deep draft.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 3:21:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Murph

I have a feeling this may be a year we trade up in the first. Most likely for a WR, OL or CB they covet.

This mock has us trading up for Jeudy.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-mock-draft-dolphins-trade-up-for-justin-herbert-jaguars-land-tua-tagovailoa/

I don't see that happening. Spielman isn't one to trade up to draft a position that is incredibly deep. The position evaluations I have read indicate that there isn't a big drop between first and second tier receivers in this draft.


That reminds me of the 2014 draft. I just read this the other day. Buffalo traded up paying a big price to get Sammy Watkins at #4, but later in the draft were Mike Evans, Odell Beckham, Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Davante Adams, Allan Robinson and probably others that are decent or better than decent. It kind of reminds me that I don't want to select a WR in the first round. It is indeed a deep draft.

It's all about identifying the talent. We shouldn't give up on first round picks just because some haven't worked out. Randy Moss a first round pick. Megatron went was it 2nd overall. It's about identifying the winners and weeding out the losers. We should have known better than Williamson and IMO Treadwell. Harvin was a FRP right? He was great until he wasn't.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 3:42:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Look at our 2 most recent drafts

Slam dunk prospect = Bradbury

Developmental, risky prospect = O'Neill

So much uncertainty. Dont take one too high unless they are truely elite. Better to take 2 later than 1 early

(Steezo on Twitter)

In general I agree. I don't see how Bradbury went wrong.


Rookie year....we don't know yet.



i don't trust 1st round picks anymore...i'd definitely trade back with at least one of ours....


For 20 years the Patriots have been picking either low in the first round or trading out of the round altogether.

I wouldn't be surprised to see trader Rick trade both picks out of the first round and add a bunch of 2nd and 3rd rounders. then Stock up on DBs, WRs and Olinemen.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 3:43:41 PM   
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I only see the Vikings trading Anthony Harris if they land Antoine Winfield Jr in the draft.

Otherwise I see Harris as a Viking.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 4:10:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Look at our 2 most recent drafts

Slam dunk prospect = Bradbury

Developmental, risky prospect = O'Neill

So much uncertainty. Dont take one too high unless they are truely elite. Better to take 2 later than 1 early

(Steezo on Twitter)

In general I agree. I don't see how Bradbury went wrong.


Rookie year....we don't know yet.



i don't trust 1st round picks anymore...i'd definitely trade back with at least one of ours....


For 20 years the Patriots have been picking either low in the first round or trading out of the round altogether.

I wouldn't be surprised to see trader Rick trade both picks out of the first round and add a bunch of 2nd and 3rd rounders. then Stock up on DBs, WRs and Olinemen.


Yes Please !

Use one early 2nd Rounder on Antoine JR.

Can't have too many Stud DB's, esp with our situation.

< Message edited by kevinemmer -- 4/14/2020 4:13:04 PM >
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 4:29:18 PM   
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There is a very good chance Antoine Winfied JR wont be on the board in the second round.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 4:30:53 PM   
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There is a very good chance Antoine Winfied JR wont be on the board in the second round.

If I had to bet on the round he's drafted I would go with the second.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 4:32:58 PM   
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https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/4/14/21217726/guys-the-vikings-might-actually-draft

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 4:50:52 PM   
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Full NFC North Mock
Vikings’ 2020 Draft Picks
Norris’ Options
1 (22). CB Jaylon Johnson, Utah - Would it be surprising if Mike Zimmer secretly loved how desperate his side is for corner talent? The defensive minded coach has a history of heavily investing in the position dating back to his days with the Bengals. Johnson has a real feel for the position - instincts, athleticism and great ball skills. The game seems to slow down for him when in phase with the receiver.

1 (25). T Ezra Cleveland, Boise State - The Vikings’ offensive line seems to be in flux right now. Brian O’Neil might shift to the left side. Riley Reiff could shift inside (if he agrees to the move). Or the team may keep the bookends the same and invest more inside. Cleveland would fit one of the former options at tackle, and absolutely possesses the athleticism the Vikings seem to prioritize.

2 (58). WR Michael Pittman, USC - Pittman offers an all-around package of receiver skills. He scored five touchdowns on 12 receptions 20-plus yards down the field. Pittman also forced 14 missed tackles last season. That blend of speed, agility and attitude in a 220-pound frame likely means Pittman will succeed on the outside at the NFL level.

3 (89). EDGE Darrell Taylor, Tennessee - The Vikings are among the league’s best at taking outstanding athletes and shaping them into great football players. While Taylor did not participate in Combine activities, he did previously make Bruce Feldman’s freak list. An Everson Griffin replacement is needed … until Everson Griffin returns.

3 (105). G John Molchon, Boise State - Molchon and Cleveland formed the most athletic side of an offensive line in college football last season, so why not shift that to the NFL on a team that values athleticism along their front five?

4 (132). CB Levonta Taylor, FSU - There are a number of plug and play slot options in this draft class. Some will be big nickels, some will be smaller, shiftier nickel corners. Taylor is not afraid to fly upfield and make plays on receivers or ball carriers.

5 (155). WR Isaiah Hodgins, Oregon State - Hodgins possesses some of the best hands in the class, with just one drop on 86 receptions last season. That applies to his contested catch rate, where Hodgins is certainly above average.

6 (205). iDL Malcolm Roach, Texas - Roach is a squatty interior lineman who is a fire hydrant to move in the running game. He played too often over top of the tackle and outside of it at the collegiate level. Expect him to move closer to the ball in the NFL.

6 (207). S Chris Miller, Baylor - Doubling up on a safety-corner hybrid. Miller is an aggressive finisher, wrapping up and committing to getting his opponent to the ground.

7 (219). LB Casey Toohill, Stanford - Toohill was a hybrid rusher-linebacker in college, and he might need to succeed on special teams in order to stick in the NFL.

7 (249). QB Nate Stanley, Iowa - Sean Mannion is the backup quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings.

7 (253). LB Jacob Phillips, LSU - More linebacker depth for a team in need of it.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-draft-needs-nfc-north-071957483.html

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 5:32:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Look at our 2 most recent drafts

Slam dunk prospect = Bradbury

Developmental, risky prospect = O'Neill

So much uncertainty. Dont take one too high unless they are truely elite. Better to take 2 later than 1 early

(Steezo on Twitter)

In general I agree. I don't see how Bradbury went wrong.


Rookie year....we don't know yet.



i don't trust 1st round picks anymore...i'd definitely trade back with at least one of ours....


For 20 years the Patriots have been picking either low in the first round or trading out of the round altogether.

I wouldn't be surprised to see trader Rick trade both picks out of the first round and add a bunch of 2nd and 3rd rounders. then Stock up on DBs, WRs and Olinemen.


Yes Please !

Use one early 2nd Rounder on Antoine JR.

Can't have too many Stud DB's, esp with our situation.

I'm definitely on board with trading one of our first rd. picks.

I don't want to spend high to trade up for someone who is rated only slightly higher (=slightly less of a gamble) than we would be taking with our regular pick.

In my current fantasy, we use #22 on the best remaining talent at CB, OL or DL ... NOT WR!

Then trade our other first with a whatever pick for somebody else's early second and a whatever pick.

Use a fourth or whatever Day 3 pick on a veteran.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 7:05:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Look at our 2 most recent drafts

Slam dunk prospect = Bradbury

Developmental, risky prospect = O'Neill

So much uncertainty. Dont take one too high unless they are truely elite. Better to take 2 later than 1 early

(Steezo on Twitter)

In general I agree. I don't see how Bradbury went wrong.


Rookie year....we don't know yet.



i don't trust 1st round picks anymore...i'd definitely trade back with at least one of ours....


For 20 years the Patriots have been picking either low in the first round or trading out of the round altogether.

I wouldn't be surprised to see trader Rick trade both picks out of the first round and add a bunch of 2nd and 3rd rounders. then Stock up on DBs, WRs and Olinemen.


Yes Please !

Use one early 2nd Rounder on Antoine JR.

Can't have too many Stud DB's, esp with our situation.

I'm definitely on board with trading one of our first rd. picks.

I don't want to spend high to trade up for someone who is rated only slightly higher (=slightly less of a gamble) than we would be taking with our regular pick.

In my current fantasy, we use #22 on the best remaining talent at CB, OL or DL ... NOT WR!

Then trade our other first with a whatever pick for somebody else's early second and a whatever pick.

Use a fourth or whatever Day 3 pick on a veteran.

Poem of the day
Title The Vikings 2020 draft

Somebody true will fall to 22
after that don't frown when we trade down.
Don't be a believer in an early wide receiver
it will be a debacle if we don't get a tackle
it shouldn't be too hard for us to also get a guard.
Zim will be a mourner if we don't get a corner.
We want Rick to take a pledge to get us an Edge
We won't listen to any Troll We'll just win the Super Bowl.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 7:46:55 PM   
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 7:52:35 PM   
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Meh
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 7:56:02 PM   
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A for effort

Thanks.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 7:56:36 PM   
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A for effort


Meh

I think he put way more effort into that that he should have

amirite, kg?
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 7:56:46 PM   
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A for effort


Meh

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 8:01:53 PM   
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A for effort


Meh

I think he put way more effort into that that he should have

amirite, kg?

Just my luck an urge for poetry struck. It was just a couple lines, edited a few times. I fear that I'm hooked and this will grow into a book.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 8:04:18 PM   
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/14/2020 8:11:25 PM   
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A for effort


Meh

You're never happy and you don't like anything.


I gave it another read, and it was still meh.
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