quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

We are about to find out what a defense looks like with no corners. And that ain't going to be pretty.

I don't think Rhodes and Waynes will be hard to replace.

Rhodes was a good football player. He had a tough year last season but he has been a pretty darned good corner for a number of years. Trae Waynes was never any good (S-A-W-F-T). Alexander was an improving player.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

We are about to find out what a defense looks like with no corners. And that ain't going to be pretty.

I don't think Rhodes and Waynes will be hard to replace.

Rhodes was a good football player. He had a tough year last season but he has been a pretty darned good corner for a number of years. Trae Waynes was never any good (S-A-W-F-T). Alexander was an improving player.

Rhodes fell off a cliff. 85% completion rate he gave up this season. That's terrible.

He actually made Waynes look servicable he was so bad.

I'm actually not that worried. We will take a cb with one of our 1st rd picks and probably a couple more later.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

We are about to find out what a defense looks like with no corners. And that ain't going to be pretty.

I don't think Rhodes and Waynes will be hard to replace.

Rhodes was a good football player. He had a tough year last season but he has been a pretty darned good corner for a number of years. Trae Waynes was never any good (S-A-W-F-T). Alexander was an improving player.

Rhodes fell off a cliff. 85% completion rate he gave up this season. That's terrible.

He actually made Waynes look servicable he was so bad.

I'm actually not that worried. We will take a cb with one of our 1st rd picks and probably a couple more later.

I would agree. He didn't look like the same player any more. I think injuries finally took their toll.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

Brad, you must have followed Aiyuk from his JUCO days...

Is he legit?

I know some are concerned about his surgery, but he looks like a playmaker from any spot on the field

I know CB and OL are top priority, but WR is not far behind

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

Brad, you must have followed Aiyuk from his JUCO days...

Is he legit?

I know some are concerned about his surgery, but he looks like a playmaker from any spot on the field

I know CB and OL are top priority, but WR is not far behind

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

Brad, you must have followed Aiyuk from his JUCO days...

Is he legit?

I know some are concerned about his surgery, but he looks like a playmaker from any spot on the field

I know CB and OL are top priority, but WR is not far behind

Yeah. Brad.

Aiyuk or Pittman?

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

.
.
Ian Rapoport@RapSheet
Multiple players had drug tests flagged at the NFL Combine & among those is projected top 10 pick #Louisville OT Mekhi Becton, I’m told. Teams were made aware of this. Becton had no failed drug tests in college. Per new CBA rules, he goes into Stage 1 for no more than 60 days.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

.
.
Ian Rapoport@RapSheet
Multiple players had drug tests flagged at the NFL Combine & among those is projected top 10 pick #Louisville OT Mekhi Becton, I’m told. Teams were made aware of this. Becton had no failed drug tests in college. Per new CBA rules, he goes into Stage 1 for no more than 60 days.

I heard there was no penalty whatsoever for incoming rookies regarding Marijuana at least. So if I understand this correctly Becton's must have tested positive for something else. However, I'm not sure I got this right.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I have been completely torn on the WRs in this draft, but after going somewhat in depth my rankings are

#1 Jeudy
#2 Lamb

#3 Ruggs
#4 Mims

# 5 Jefferson, but #6 for the Vikings due to his being a slot receiver making him and Thielen not coexist too well.
#6 Reagor #5 for the Vikings
#7 Aiyuk
#8 Pittman
#9 Claypool
#10 Shenault

I'm really hoping we get one of the top 7 and add Tyler Johnson Later. I don't think we can get one of those at pick 58 and pick 25 is too early for Jefferson, Reagor, and Aiyuk IMO. So a trade back or trade up may need to happen.

nice list, kg

I am torn on how I would rank players...

I know the idea that not taking Jefferson because he is used as a slot guy, but he was super productive and at 6-3. good hands and routes, I can't see him disappointing as an outside guy...actually seems more versatile than Mims...

Mims concerns me because of the potential route running problem Baylor WR's seem to have...not sure if it is fair to lump him in with them, but I have seen him ranked all over the place...Lindy's has him as the 19th best WR...which I don't really see either, but that is certainly a question

The more discussion there has been about not taking a slot guy because we want more 2 TE sets and so forth is interesting...I was thinking a quick, slot guy that can house a 3-yard slant would compliment Thielen and Sharpe...but maybe that isn't what we are looking for...or maybe that is all smoke...

If we are looking at a Run heavy offense, then Edwards really might make great sense, as he is a good blocker, but is he Treadwell II? Less of a problem if we take him in the 2nd than first, but I want a speedy and dynamic player if we take a WR high, not sure if he is that...

I love Aiyuk, a little cool on Reagor...I don't buy Shenault as a pro...he was gimmicky, but always came through for the Buffs

Pittman and Claypool would be OK in rd 2

If we take WR in rd 1, I am leaning more to Jefferson over Mims (assuming the top 3 are gone), a small trade down from 25 would be great!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Does anyone like the C/G out of Michigan better than Jones? (Ruiz)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

We are about to find out what a defense looks like with no corners. And that ain't going to be pretty.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

@VikingsBrawl
·
13h
The #Vikings have interviewed former Minnesota WR Tyler Johnson.

Per
@DWolfsonKSTP
They’ve done their homework on the in state prospect and he could be an early day 3 option for them.

He should be a day 2 option at 105 I would have zero problem drafting him.

I was thinking Bateman was also in this draft but not till 2021

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Does anyone like the C/G out of Michigan better than Jones? (Ruiz)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Does anyone like the C/G out of Michigan better than Jones? (Ruiz)

just read an article titled "early surprise picks"

they had Ruiz going 17th to the Cowboys. Guess Travis Frederick retired with a nerve disorder.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I have been completely torn on the WRs in this draft, but after going somewhat in depth my rankings are

#1 Jeudy
#2 Lamb

#3 Ruggs
#4 Mims

# 5 Jefferson, but #6 for the Vikings due to his being a slot receiver making him and Thielen not coexist too well.
#6 Reagor #5 for the Vikings
#7 Aiyuk
#8 Pittman
#9 Claypool
#10 Shenault

I'm really hoping we get one of the top 7 and add Tyler Johnson Later. I don't think we can get one of those at pick 58 and pick 25 is too early for Jefferson, Reagor, and Aiyuk IMO. So a trade back or trade up may need to happen.

nice list, kg

I am torn on how I would rank players...

I know the idea that not taking Jefferson because he is used as a slot guy, but he was super productive and at 6-3. good hands and routes, I can't see him disappointing as an outside guy...actually seems more versatile than Mims...

Mims concerns me because of the potential route running problem Baylor WR's seem to have...not sure if it is fair to lump him in with them, but I have seen him ranked all over the place...Lindy's has him as the 19th best WR...which I don't really see either, but that is certainly a question

The more discussion there has been about not taking a slot guy because we want more 2 TE sets and so forth is interesting...I was thinking a quick, slot guy that can house a 3-yard slant would compliment Thielen and Sharpe...but maybe that isn't what we are looking for...or maybe that is all smoke...

If we are looking at a Run heavy offense, then Edwards really might make great sense, as he is a good blocker, but is he Treadwell II? Less of a problem if we take him in the 2nd than first, but I want a speedy and dynamic player if we take a WR high, not sure if he is that...

I love Aiyuk, a little cool on Reagor...I don't buy Shenault as a pro...he was gimmicky, but always came through for the Buffs

Pittman and Claypool would be OK in rd 2

If we take WR in rd 1, I am leaning more to Jefferson over Mims (assuming the top 3 are gone), a small trade down from 25 would be great!

Thanks Chris. I have been working on it for a month now. Pro Football Focus among other sources finally convinced me that Mims was the guy. His athletic profile, combined with his great production over the last three years and his domination of the Senior Bowl convinced me. Mims seems very similar to Julio Jones.

As for Jefferson I agree with you about not worrying much about the slot thing as I only moved him down one spot for the Vikings due to it. I disagree about taking him over Mims as Mims was very productive for three years instead of one and he is so athletically superior to Jefferson.

I'd encourage you to heat up on Reagor. He is ridiculously athletic and like Aiyuk a huge play ready to happen at any time. He routinely gets great separation, makes impossible catches particularly over the heads of his defender by using his 42 inch vertical. I also wouldn't be down on Shenault as he was gimmicky as you say, but only because he was so talented he could be their short yardage back and their wildcat QB. He also played very well as a WR. He does have a concerning injury history and they say he didn't "interview well". His talent is first round his question marks make him 2nd round.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I have been completely torn on the WRs in this draft, but after going somewhat in depth my rankings are

#1 Jeudy
#2 Lamb

#3 Ruggs
#4 Mims

# 5 Jefferson, but #6 for the Vikings due to his being a slot receiver making him and Thielen not coexist too well.
#6 Reagor #5 for the Vikings
#7 Aiyuk
#8 Pittman
#9 Claypool
#10 Shenault

I'm really hoping we get one of the top 7 and add Tyler Johnson Later. I don't think we can get one of those at pick 58 and pick 25 is too early for Jefferson, Reagor, and Aiyuk IMO. So a trade back or trade up may need to happen.

nice list, kg

I am torn on how I would rank players...

I know the idea that not taking Jefferson because he is used as a slot guy, but he was super productive and at 6-3. good hands and routes, I can't see him disappointing as an outside guy...actually seems more versatile than Mims...

Mims concerns me because of the potential route running problem Baylor WR's seem to have...not sure if it is fair to lump him in with them, but I have seen him ranked all over the place...Lindy's has him as the 19th best WR...which I don't really see either, but that is certainly a question

The more discussion there has been about not taking a slot guy because we want more 2 TE sets and so forth is interesting...I was thinking a quick, slot guy that can house a 3-yard slant would compliment Thielen and Sharpe...but maybe that isn't what we are looking for...or maybe that is all smoke...

If we are looking at a Run heavy offense, then Edwards really might make great sense, as he is a good blocker, but is he Treadwell II? Less of a problem if we take him in the 2nd than first, but I want a speedy and dynamic player if we take a WR high, not sure if he is that...

I love Aiyuk, a little cool on Reagor...I don't buy Shenault as a pro...he was gimmicky, but always came through for the Buffs

Pittman and Claypool would be OK in rd 2

If we take WR in rd 1, I am leaning more to Jefferson over Mims (assuming the top 3 are gone), a small trade down from 25 would be great!

Thanks Chris. I have been working on it for a month now. Pro Football Focus among other sources finally convinced me that Mims was the guy. His athletic profile, combined with his great production over the last three years and his domination of the Senior Bowl convinced me. Mims seems very similar to Julio Jones.

As for Jefferson I agree with you about not worrying much about the slot thing as I only moved him down one spot for the Vikings due to it. I disagree about taking him over Mims as Mims was very productive for three years instead of one and he is so athletically superior to Jefferson.

I'd encourage you to heat up on Reagor. He is ridiculously athletic and like Aiyuk a huge play ready to happen at any time. He routinely gets great separation, makes impossible catches particularly over the heads of his defender by using his 42 inch vertical. I also wouldn't be down on Shenault as he was gimmicky as you say, but only because he was so talented he could be their short yardage back and their wildcat QB. He also played very well as a WR. He does have a concerning injury history and they say he didn't "interview well". His talent is first round his question marks make him 2nd round.

IMO Jefferson is the next best pro prospect after Jeudy, Lamb, and Ruggs. No other player (besides Jeudy) comes close from a polished WR skill standpoint, certainly not Mims. What's more, I think Jefferson shows a lot of toughness and competitiveness that are somewhat underrated because of his polished skill set. Like Thielen, he will be able to play inside or outside.

I also think that Jefferson, based on his production in college, shows an upward trend – he just started to scratch the surface last year which bodes well for his further development at the pro level. IMO Mims – given all his great college production and starter experience – should be further along from a skill standpoint. He has a lot of great qualities, but I question his ceiling beyond being a tall athletic WR who was a mismatch for college DBs.

Don't get me wrong, I like Mims in the second round if he's there at #58, don't think he will be. It's been a looong time since we had big WR with speed.

I just think if a want a solid 6+ dude who was ready to play yesterday, you go Jefferson.

Also IMO, if you decide to go explosive playmaker top of the second rd / maybe late first, you go Aiyuk.

It’s taken me a long time to get on board with Aiyuk. I have a strong anti-ASU bias (I’m a UA grad) so you know I am not pulling for the guy to start with. IMO he barely qualifies from a pure WR skill standpoint as a middle second round pick. However, I think his explosiveness, toughness, good hands in traffic and YAC ability push him up into the very early second /late first rd. He’s dynamic and makes me think of Deebo Samuel (Zierlein says Robert Woods but I don’t see it) physically abusing defenses.

Another litmus test for me … of all the WRs after Jeudy, Lamb and Ruggs – Aiyuk is the one WR I least want the Packers to draft.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I have been completely torn on the WRs in this draft, but after going somewhat in depth my rankings are

#1 Jeudy
#2 Lamb

#3 Ruggs
#4 Mims

# 5 Jefferson, but #6 for the Vikings due to his being a slot receiver making him and Thielen not coexist too well.
#6 Reagor #5 for the Vikings
#7 Aiyuk
#8 Pittman
#9 Claypool
#10 Shenault

I'm really hoping we get one of the top 7 and add Tyler Johnson Later. I don't think we can get one of those at pick 58 and pick 25 is too early for Jefferson, Reagor, and Aiyuk IMO. So a trade back or trade up may need to happen.

nice list, kg

I am torn on how I would rank players...

I know the idea that not taking Jefferson because he is used as a slot guy, but he was super productive and at 6-3. good hands and routes, I can't see him disappointing as an outside guy...actually seems more versatile than Mims...

Mims concerns me because of the potential route running problem Baylor WR's seem to have...not sure if it is fair to lump him in with them, but I have seen him ranked all over the place...Lindy's has him as the 19th best WR...which I don't really see either, but that is certainly a question

The more discussion there has been about not taking a slot guy because we want more 2 TE sets and so forth is interesting...I was thinking a quick, slot guy that can house a 3-yard slant would compliment Thielen and Sharpe...but maybe that isn't what we are looking for...or maybe that is all smoke...

If we are looking at a Run heavy offense, then Edwards really might make great sense, as he is a good blocker, but is he Treadwell II? Less of a problem if we take him in the 2nd than first, but I want a speedy and dynamic player if we take a WR high, not sure if he is that...

I love Aiyuk, a little cool on Reagor...I don't buy Shenault as a pro...he was gimmicky, but always came through for the Buffs

Pittman and Claypool would be OK in rd 2

If we take WR in rd 1, I am leaning more to Jefferson over Mims (assuming the top 3 are gone), a small trade down from 25 would be great!

Thanks Chris. I have been working on it for a month now. Pro Football Focus among other sources finally convinced me that Mims was the guy. His athletic profile, combined with his great production over the last three years and his domination of the Senior Bowl convinced me. Mims seems very similar to Julio Jones.

As for Jefferson I agree with you about not worrying much about the slot thing as I only moved him down one spot for the Vikings due to it. I disagree about taking him over Mims as Mims was very productive for three years instead of one and he is so athletically superior to Jefferson.

I'd encourage you to heat up on Reagor. He is ridiculously athletic and like Aiyuk a huge play ready to happen at any time. He routinely gets great separation, makes impossible catches particularly over the heads of his defender by using his 42 inch vertical. I also wouldn't be down on Shenault as he was gimmicky as you say, but only because he was so talented he could be their short yardage back and their wildcat QB. He also played very well as a WR. He does have a concerning injury history and they say he didn't "interview well". His talent is first round his question marks make him 2nd round.

IMO Jefferson is the next best pro prospect after Jeudy, Lamb, and Ruggs. No other player (besides Jeudy) comes close from a polished WR skill standpoint, certainly not Mims. What's more, I think Jefferson shows a lot of toughness and competitiveness that are somewhat underrated because of his polished skill set. Like Thielen, he will be able to play inside or outside.

I also think that Jefferson, based on his production in college, shows an upward trend – he just started to scratch the surface last year which bodes well for his further development at the pro level. IMO Mims – given all his great college production and starter experience – should be further along from a skill standpoint. He has a lot of great qualities, but I question his ceiling beyond being a tall athletic WR who was a mismatch for college DBs.

Don't get me wrong, I like Mims in the second round if he's there at #58, don't think he will be. It's been a looong time since we had big skilled WR with speed.

I just think if a want a solid 6+ dude who was ready to play yesterday, you go Jefferson.

Also IMO, if you decide to go explosive playmaker top of the second rd / maybe late first, you go Aiyuk.

It’s taken me a long time to get on board with Aiyuk. I have a strong anti-ASU bias (I’m a UA grad) so you know I am not pulling for the guy to start with. IMO he barely qualifies from a pure WR skill standpoint as a middle second round pick. However, I think his explosiveness, toughness, good hands in traffic and YAC ability push him up into the very early second /late first rd. He’s dynamic and makes me think of Deebo Samuel (Zierlein says Robert Woods but I don’t see it) physically abusing defenses.

Another litmus test for me … of all the WRs after Jeudy, Lamb and Ruggs – Aiyuk is the one WR I least want the Packers to draft.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I have been completely torn on the WRs in this draft, but after going somewhat in depth my rankings are

#1 Jeudy
#2 Lamb

#3 Ruggs
#4 Mims

# 5 Jefferson, but #6 for the Vikings due to his being a slot receiver making him and Thielen not coexist too well.
#6 Reagor #5 for the Vikings
#7 Aiyuk
#8 Pittman
#9 Claypool
#10 Shenault

I'm really hoping we get one of the top 7 and add Tyler Johnson Later. I don't think we can get one of those at pick 58 and pick 25 is too early for Jefferson, Reagor, and Aiyuk IMO. So a trade back or trade up may need to happen.

nice list, kg

I am torn on how I would rank players...

I know the idea that not taking Jefferson because he is used as a slot guy, but he was super productive and at 6-3. good hands and routes, I can't see him disappointing as an outside guy...actually seems more versatile than Mims...

Mims concerns me because of the potential route running problem Baylor WR's seem to have...not sure if it is fair to lump him in with them, but I have seen him ranked all over the place...Lindy's has him as the 19th best WR...which I don't really see either, but that is certainly a question

The more discussion there has been about not taking a slot guy because we want more 2 TE sets and so forth is interesting...I was thinking a quick, slot guy that can house a 3-yard slant would compliment Thielen and Sharpe...but maybe that isn't what we are looking for...or maybe that is all smoke...

If we are looking at a Run heavy offense, then Edwards really might make great sense, as he is a good blocker, but is he Treadwell II? Less of a problem if we take him in the 2nd than first, but I want a speedy and dynamic player if we take a WR high, not sure if he is that...

I love Aiyuk, a little cool on Reagor...I don't buy Shenault as a pro...he was gimmicky, but always came through for the Buffs

Pittman and Claypool would be OK in rd 2

If we take WR in rd 1, I am leaning more to Jefferson over Mims (assuming the top 3 are gone), a small trade down from 25 would be great!

Thanks Chris. I have been working on it for a month now. Pro Football Focus among other sources finally convinced me that Mims was the guy. His athletic profile, combined with his great production over the last three years and his domination of the Senior Bowl convinced me. Mims seems very similar to Julio Jones.

As for Jefferson I agree with you about not worrying much about the slot thing as I only moved him down one spot for the Vikings due to it. I disagree about taking him over Mims as Mims was very productive for three years instead of one and he is so athletically superior to Jefferson.

I'd encourage you to heat up on Reagor. He is ridiculously athletic and like Aiyuk a huge play ready to happen at any time. He routinely gets great separation, makes impossible catches particularly over the heads of his defender by using his 42 inch vertical. I also wouldn't be down on Shenault as he was gimmicky as you say, but only because he was so talented he could be their short yardage back and their wildcat QB. He also played very well as a WR. He does have a concerning injury history and they say he didn't "interview well". His talent is first round his question marks make him 2nd round.

IMO Jefferson is the next best pro prospect after Jeudy, Lamb, and Ruggs. No other player (besides Jeudy) comes close from a polished WR skill standpoint, certainly not Mims. What's more, I think Jefferson shows a lot of toughness and competitiveness that are somewhat underrated because of his polished skill set. Like Thielen, he will be able to play inside or outside.

I also think that Jefferson, based on his production in college, shows an upward trend – he just started to scratch the surface last year which bodes well for his further development at the pro level. IMO Mims – given all his great college production and starter experience – should be further along from a skill standpoint. He has a lot of great qualities, but I question his ceiling beyond being a tall athletic WR who was a mismatch for college DBs.

Don't get me wrong, I like Mims in the second round if he's there at #58, don't think he will be. It's been a looong time since we had big skilled WR with speed.

I just think if a want a solid 6+ dude who was ready to play yesterday, you go Jefferson.

Also IMO, if you decide to go explosive playmaker top of the second rd / maybe late first, you go Aiyuk.

It’s taken me a long time to get on board with Aiyuk. I have a strong anti-ASU bias (I’m a UA grad) so you know I am not pulling for the guy to start with. IMO he barely qualifies from a pure WR skill standpoint as a middle second round pick. However, I think his explosiveness, toughness, good hands in traffic and YAC ability push him up into the very early second /late first rd. He’s dynamic and makes me think of Deebo Samuel (Zierlein says Robert Woods but I don’t see it) physically abusing defenses.

Another litmus test for me … of all the WRs after Jeudy, Lamb and Ruggs – Aiyuk is the one WR I least want the Packers to draft.

We are in almost 100% disagreement. Time will tell who's right.