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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 12:36:44 AM

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I won't be happy with this if it happens. No corner taken in the first?

https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft-Trades-143156379/

Doesn't make a lot of sense to trade up 2 spots there. Wonder what it cost us, stupid that the mock doesn't say.

It absolutely doesn't make sense. Patriots and Saints aren't drafting a Tackle and if the Patriots really want Love they don't get so cute as to trade back 2 spots before taking him. However, I like the players they have us getting.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 12:56:23 AM

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Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 4:19:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

I think DT is a much greater need than DE.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 7:06:12 AM

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It's interesting, of all the mock drafts I've seen, almost none of them have us taking a RB in any round. Personally, if I'm RS I'd hedge my bets and draft someone like Zack Moss in the 4th round. Yes, we have Cook, but if he decides to pull a Zeke and hold out because he wants a monster deal - which the Vikings should NOT give him - then it would be smart to have a legit option behind Mattison.

Agreed

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 7:54:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

I think DT is a much greater need than DE.

DT: Pierce, Stephen, Watts, Hercules, JJ, Holmes

DE: Hunter, Odenigbo, Zettel

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 8:11:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

I think DT is a much greater need than DE.

DT: Pierce, Stephen, Watts, Hercules, JJ, Holmes

DE: Hunter, Odenigbo, Zettel

As of right now we need

3 CB's
2 S's
2 DE's

We're good inside. The 3T could be upgraded but we have massive needs elsewhere

< Message edited by Bill Jandro -- 4/19/2020 8:13:52 AM >

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 8:16:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

I think DT is a much greater need than DE.

DT: Pierce, Stephen, Watts, Hercules, JJ, Holmes

DE: Hunter, Odenigbo, Zettel

Eggzactly. I see two starter Quality ends and one starter quality tackle. However, we only have three ends? That I wasn't aware of. I DT in the first two rounds two DE in the last five.

< Message edited by kgdabom -- 4/19/2020 8:18:16 AM >

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 8:22:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

There are some questions that we on the outside don't know the answer to. Then there are questions on the inside that they don't know the answer to. I'm talking about who will be on the board when it's time to select, or what offers will be offered or accepted in trades. It's very fluid. I'm comforted knowing that our guy Spielman is very experienced in all of this and he comes prepared loaded with lots of information not available to all of us. He's got the input of coaches and scouts who let him know what they have seen and importantly also how they would like to proceed as a team. He gets input on what kind of players would be best for our team or what the coaches strongly would like to see in order to advance their ideas.

So the cool thing is that there is a cause and effect relationship where we can gain a glimpse for what those plans may be after we see the selections made, one by one.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 8:37:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

I think DT is a much greater need than DE.

DT: Pierce, Stephen, Watts, Hercules, JJ, Holmes

DE: Hunter, Odenigbo, Zettel

Eggzactly. I see two starter Quality ends and one starter quality tackle. However, we only have three ends? That I wasn't aware of. I DT in the first two rounds two DE in the last five.

I think there is some position flexibility. Holmes played both tackle and end in college. I'm thinking that in situations where we might go to a 3/4 look he will be perfect at end and so will Hercules even at his new playing weight. I agree that we will definitely need more depth along the line. I have been speculating that Patterson is now a co-offensive coordinator and has more clout when it comes to demanding a top pick for a d-line selection. On the other hand, he has been so successful developing unpolished gems found later in the draft and the thinking may be that they will want to continue that because it works. I don't know. We'll find out soon, but part of the equation always has to be who is on the board when it's time to select and there may be players that fall who represent tremendous value that's hard to pass on.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 8:51:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

I think DT is a much greater need than DE.

DT: Pierce, Stephen, Watts, Hercules, JJ, Holmes

DE: Hunter, Odenigbo, Zettel

Eggzactly. I see two starter Quality ends and one starter quality tackle. However, we only have three ends? That I wasn't aware of. I DT in the first two rounds two DE in the last five.

I think there is some position flexibility. Holmes played both tackle and end in college. I'm thinking that in situations where we might go to a 3/4 look he will be perfect at end and so will Hercules even at his new playing weight. I agree that we will definitely need more depth along the line. I have been speculating that Patterson is now a co-offensive coordinator and has more clout when it comes to demanding a top pick for a d-line selection. On the other hand, he has been so successful developing unpolished gems found later in the draft and the thinking may be that they will want to continue that because it works. I don't know. We'll find out soon, but part of the equation always has to be who is on the board when it's time to select and there may be players that fall who represent tremendous value that's hard to pass on.

Kinlaw, Kinlaw, Kinlaw.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 8:59:13 AM

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This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected.

https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 9:03:21 AM

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This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected.

https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/

With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 9:17:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected.

https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/

With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play.

I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 9:24:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected.

https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/

With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play.

I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable.

Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 9:28:44 AM

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Louie Tee says
First if you don’t know Louie Tee he is a great YouTube/Internet football personality. He specifically covers the team that plays in Washington. He’s knowledgeable, logical and rational. He just did his 7 round Washington Mock which included them trading Williams for Reiff, 105 and 132. Since it’s our very late thrid and late 4th I can live with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRQTn4BcMh4

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 9:40:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

I think DT is a much greater need than DE.

DT: Pierce, Stephen, Watts, Hercules, JJ, Holmes

DE: Hunter, Odenigbo, Zettel

If you get good corners, all of them will look great.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 9:49:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

I think DT is a much greater need than DE.

DT: Pierce, Stephen, Watts, Hercules, JJ, Holmes

DE: Hunter, Odenigbo, Zettel

If you get good corners, all of them will look great.

Slay was average to below average last year. Detroit= No pass rush. We'll see how he does this year with Philly's DLine.

Packer corners: They were better this year than last with the Smith Bros.

It's a 2 way street. Great corners can't cover guys for ever when there is no pass rush. But, Dlineman can't get to QB if CBs play soft.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 9:54:11 AM

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Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

Yes to WR, CB and G being obvious.

Yes to DE being a bigger need than DT (our emphasis in FA the last two years). However, if we really like a DT more than the other options in the first rd ... I would be fine with trying to upgrade / find a strong rotational player with Stephen.

CBs Terrell / Fulton / Johnson, OTs Jackson / Jones just feel like borderline first rd picks to me that have pushed up into the void behind the real good prospects in the draft.

I hate the idea of drafting a WR in the first rd with so many good WRs available in the second rd. but since I can't wish for a commensurately strong G or CB position, WR might be unavoidable. As exciting as that would be on paper (compared to G), we would be extremely lucky to find an guy with an immediate impact.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 9:56:23 AM

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Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

Yes to WR, CB and G being obvious.

Yes to DE being a bigger need than DT (our emphasis in FA the last two years). However, if we really like a DT more than the other options in the first rd ... I would be fine with trying to upgrade / find a strong rotational player with Stephen.

CBs Terrell / Fulton / Johnson, OTs Jackson / Jones just feel like borderline first rd picks to me that have pushed up into the void behind the real good prospects in the draft.

I hate the idea of drafting a WR in the first rd with so many good WRs available in the second rd. but since I can't wish for a commensurately strong G or CB position, WR might be unavoidable. As exciting as that would be on paper (compared to G), we would be extremely lucky to find an guy with an immediate impact.

Mims!!!

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 9:57:02 AM 1 votes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

I think DT is a much greater need than DE.

DT: Pierce, Stephen, Watts, Hercules, JJ, Holmes

DE: Hunter, Odenigbo, Zettel

If you get good corners, all of them will look great.

Slay was average to below average last year. Detroit= No pass rush. We'll see how he does this year with Philly's DLine.

Packer corners: They were better this year than last with the Smith Bros.

It's a 2 way street. Great corners can't cover guys for ever when there is no pass rush. But, Dlineman can't get to QB if CBs play soft.

Ofcourse that's absolutely true. But as a matter of principle, Brad will never concede that.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 9:58:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

Yes to WR, CB and G being obvious.

Yes to DE being a bigger need than DT (our emphasis in FA the last two years). However, if we really like a DT more than the other options in the first rd ... I would be fine with trying to upgrade / find a strong rotational player with Stephen.

CBs Terrell / Fulton / Johnson, OTs Jackson / Jones just feel like borderline first rd picks to me that have pushed up into the void behind the real good prospects in the draft.

I hate the idea of drafting a WR in the first rd with so many good WRs available in the second rd. but since I can't wish for a commensurately strong G or CB position, WR might be unavoidable. As exciting as that would be on paper (compared to G), we would be extremely lucky to find an guy with an immediate impact.

Mims!!!

So tell me KG, you're pulling for us to draft WR Jefferson in the first rd? It's not clear.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 9:59:53 AM

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Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

Yes to WR, CB and G being obvious.

Yes to DE being a bigger need than DT (our emphasis in FA the last two years). However, if we really like a DT more than the other options in the first rd ... I would be fine with trying to upgrade / find a strong rotational player with Stephen.

CBs Terrell / Fulton / Johnson, OTs Jackson / Jones just feel like borderline first rd picks to me that have pushed up into the void behind the real good prospects in the draft.

I hate the idea of drafting a WR in the first rd with so many good WRs available in the second rd. but since I can't wish for a commensurately strong G or CB position, WR might be unavoidable. As exciting as that would be on paper (compared to G), we would be extremely lucky to find an guy with an immediate impact.

Mims!!!

So tell me KG, you're pulling for us to draft WR Jefferson in the first rd? It's not clear.

I made up my mind. I just think the upside is so HIGH.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 10:51:04 AM

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Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

I think DT is a much greater need than DE.

DT: Pierce, Stephen, Watts, Hercules, JJ, Holmes

DE: Hunter, Odenigbo, Zettel

What about if they switch to 3-4?

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 10:52:32 AM

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Most people agree with have 3 primary needs.

WR, CB, G

A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE.

Most people agree the draft is deep in WR.

Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff?

Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need.

Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds.

However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks.

I think DT is a much greater need than DE.

DT: Pierce, Stephen, Watts, Hercules, JJ, Holmes

DE: Hunter, Odenigbo, Zettel

If you get good corners, all of them will look great.

Slay was average to below average last year. Detroit= No pass rush. We'll see how he does this year with Philly's DLine.

Packer corners: They were better this year than last with the Smith Bros.

It's a 2 way street. Great corners can't cover guys for ever when there is no pass rush. But, Dlineman can't get to QB if CBs play soft.

It's 2020. You have to be able to cover or you are dead. It doesn't matter who is playing on the d-line. Houston has had as much talent on defensive line as any team in the league for a few years. Their corners can't cover anyone, so it doesn't matter.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 10:53:04 AM

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This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected.

https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/

With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play.

I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable.

Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed