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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 1:19:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		KG let me rephrase that ...

I have a very little knowledge and no insight about the draft.

I can't speak for you ... although you seem to have to read quite a bit about it.

IMO nobody really knows – including the teams – how these players will turn out.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 1:34:14 PM   
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KG let me rephrase that ...

I have a very little knowledge and no insight about the draft.

I can't speak for you ... although you seem to have to read quite a bit about it.

IMO nobody really knows – including the teams – how these players will turn out.

You make some good points. I was so confused about which WRs would be best and since we need one or two so badly it was driving me crazy. So I looked into it pretty hard including watching highlights and actual game video for most of them. I also read all the positive and negative commentary as well. The more I looked into it the better and better Mims started looking. Jefferson was part of the all time best passing attack in NCAA history. How much of it was because of Jefferson vs how much was because of Burrow Chase and others. Mims 3 years of great production, along with his absolutely elite measurables, his Senior Bowl domination against the Elite CBs and his good routes to get separation most of the time. plus knowing how to use his body to win the contested balls separated him from the rest. I did my best to figure this all out. Of course I'm still just guessing, but it's somewhat educated.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 1:47:56 PM   
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I have been completely torn on the WRs in this draft, but after going somewhat in depth my rankings are

#1 Jeudy
#2 Lamb

#3 Ruggs
#4 Mims

# 5 Jefferson, but #6 for the Vikings due to his being a slot receiver making him and Thielen not coexist too well.
#6 Reagor #5 for the Vikings
#7 Aiyuk
#8 Pittman
#9 Claypool
#10 Shenault

I'm really hoping we get one of the top 7 and add Tyler Johnson Later. I don't think we can get one of those at pick 58 and pick 25 is too early for Jefferson, Reagor, and Aiyuk IMO. So a trade back or trade up may need to happen.



Hey Kg,

Is this your WR rankings "overall" or how you would rank them on your Viking big board?

Your ranking would be similar to mine foe WR's overall but my Viking big board for WR's would be different.

i.e. I actually like Ruggs the most for our offense but also have him ranked 3rd overall for WR's.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 1:53:09 PM   
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I have been completely torn on the WRs in this draft, but after going somewhat in depth my rankings are

#1 Jeudy
#2 Lamb

#3 Ruggs
#4 Mims

# 5 Jefferson, but #6 for the Vikings due to his being a slot receiver making him and Thielen not coexist too well.
#6 Reagor #5 for the Vikings
#7 Aiyuk
#8 Pittman
#9 Claypool
#10 Shenault

I'm really hoping we get one of the top 7 and add Tyler Johnson Later. I don't think we can get one of those at pick 58 and pick 25 is too early for Jefferson, Reagor, and Aiyuk IMO. So a trade back or trade up may need to happen.



Hey Kg,

Is this your WR rankings "overall" or how you would rank them on your Viking big board?

Your ranking would be similar to mine foe WR's overall but my Viking big board for WR's would be different.

i.e. I actually like Ruggs the most for our offense but also have him ranked 3rd overall for WR's.

It's actually both. Notice how I made the note that I have Reagor higher for the Vikings even though I have Jefferson ranked above him. I get the idea that we could use a speed demon and Ruggs is that, but I still believe the overall quality of Jeudy and Lamb overrides Ruggs speed.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 1:57:32 PM   
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 1:59:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Count me in on the Mims/Reagor bandwagon. Either one of them would look good with us. And, who would like Ruiz at lg? I've been looking at some of his tape, and he's a mover.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 2:02:31 PM   
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Count me in on the Mims/Reagor bandwagon. Either one of them would look good with us. And, who would like Ruiz at lg? I've been looking at some of his tape, and he's a mover.

Brilliant minds thinking alike. I like Ruiz, but I would take Jones over him as I feel Jones is well suited to play both guard and tackle.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 2:41:52 PM   
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Count me in on the Mims/Reagor bandwagon. Either one of them would look good with us. And, who would like Ruiz at lg? I've been looking at some of his tape, and he's a mover.



Those are probably part of a small group of upper-tier WRs left at 22. Maybe Jefferson.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 2:52:28 PM   
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KG let me rephrase that ...

I have a very little knowledge and no insight about the draft.

I can't speak for you ... although you seem to have to read quite a bit about it.

IMO nobody really knows – including the teams – how these players will turn out.

You make some good points. I was so confused about which WRs would be best and since we need one or two so badly it was driving me crazy. So I looked into it pretty hard including watching highlights and actual game video for most of them. I also read all the positive and negative commentary as well. The more I looked into it the better and better Mims started looking. Jefferson was part of the all time best passing attack in NCAA history. How much of it was because of Jefferson vs how much was because of Burrow Chase and others. Mims 3 years of great production, along with his absolutely elite measurables, his Senior Bowl domination against the Elite CBs and his good routes to get separation most of the time. plus knowing how to use his body to win the contested balls separated him from the rest. I did my best to figure this all out. Of course I'm still just guessing, but it's somewhat educated.

We will never match the investment of time, preparation and resources that nfl teams do ... and they are 50/50 guessing on the blue chippers much less the guys at 22/25.

Again, speaking for myself - its less about making an educated guess, because it is still just a guess - than it is having fun, getting to know the prospects so I know who my team has selected, the fun of trying to predict ...

The draft is a blast. But less so when people take it too seriously and cry bloody murder (I’m not talking about just plain ol’ criticizing picks) when their team selects a player they don’t like.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 3:40:39 PM   
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My apologies if this has already been posted.

If true Zimmer shifted away from relying too much on Rhodes, or Waynes to lock anybody up in man coverage.

A lot more holes then I’d like on the roster, but if you believe this article we can only get better at corner.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 3:46:43 PM   
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Count me in on the Mims/Reagor bandwagon. Either one of them would look good with us. And, who would like Ruiz at lg? I've been looking at some of his tape, and he's a mover.

Brilliant minds thinking alike. I like Ruiz, but I would take Jones over him as I feel Jones is well suited to play both guard and tackle.



Me three....

Mims appears a high point king in ball skills, like Treadwell, but about 4 seconds faster in the 100 meters.

Reagor is explosive as hell, and played with Bob Avellini last year.. Obviously his #’s fell off. Love his return game as well.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 3:49:07 PM   
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 Add OLine, or CB with the other #1 and I’m good.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 3:51:45 PM   
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1. 4.27 Henry Ruggs III WR Alabama
2. 4.29 Javelin Guidry DB Utah
3. 4.35 Quez Watkins WR So. Miss
4. 4.37 L'Jarius Sneed DB Lousiana Tech
T-5. 4.38 Darnell Mooney WR Tulane
T-5. 4.38 Denzel Mims WR Baylor
T-7. 4.39 Isaiah Simmons LB Clemson
T-7. 4.39 Antonio Gibson WR Memphis
T-7. 4.39 Devin Duvernay WR Texas
T-7. 4.39 Jonathan Taylor RB Wisconsin
T-11. 4.41 Darrynton Evans RB App. State
T-11. 4.41 Tanner Muse DB Clemson
T-13. 4.42 Chase Claypool WR Notre Dame
T-13. 4.42 Raymond Calais RB Louisiana Lafayette
T-15. 4.43 Justin Jefferson WR LSU
T-15. 4.43 John Hightower WR Boise State
17. 4.44 Anthony McFarland Jr. RB Maryland
T-18. 4.45 Isaiah Coulter WR Rhode Island
T-18. 4.45 Jerry Jeudy WR Alabama
T-18. 4.45 Jeff Thomas WR Miami

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 3:55:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was surprised to see how fast Johnathon Taylor is.

I'm also surprised that none of the top CB's are on the list. Unless some didn't run.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 4:24:36 PM   
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I feel like Jones would be a reach at that point and kind of a wasted pick...He just might be great down the road, so I can get on board with it, but it feels too reachy

I would be surprised that DE Epenesa from Iowa is still on the board here, but he is in this draft, and we would take him in a second.

I would bet he is considerably higher on our draft board than Jones, too

Gladney would be fine, I guess...I think the kid is a baller with speed and quickness, and that may be more important than size...and it isn't like he is 5-8...

IMO, 5-11 is reasonable size; everyone acts like 6-0 is a "big" corner to take on tall WR's, but they act like 5-11 is Spud Webb to Kareem?

Sometimes people get so caught up with size, they forget that playing football well trumps size most of the time, ask Antoine Sr

I am the opposite on the Jones/Epenesa divide. If Jones is "great down the road" and available at 22, take him; that's not a reach, it's just not instant gratification. But then you'd have bookend OTs for perhaps years to come. I agree on Gladney, and I basically like everything I read about him other than the recent torn meniscus.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 5:00:24 PM   
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 7:01:27 PM   
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Count me in on the Mims/Reagor bandwagon. Either one of them would look good with us. And, who would like Ruiz at lg? I've been looking at some of his tape, and he's a mover.

Brilliant minds thinking alike. I like Ruiz, but I would take Jones over him as I feel Jones is well suited to play both guard and tackle.



Me three....

Mims appears a high point king in ball skills, like Treadwell, but about 4 seconds faster in the 100 meters.

Reagor is explosive as hell, and played with Bob Avellini last year.. Obviously his #’s fell off. Love his return game as well.

Did you see Ruggs HS basketball highlights?
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 7:45:09 PM   
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Count me in on the Mims/Reagor bandwagon. Either one of them would look good with us. And, who would like Ruiz at lg? I've been looking at some of his tape, and he's a mover.

Brilliant minds thinking alike. I like Ruiz, but I would take Jones over him as I feel Jones is well suited to play both guard and tackle.



Me three....

Mims appears a high point king in ball skills, like Treadwell, but about 4 seconds faster in the 100 meters.

Reagor is explosive as hell, and played with Bob Avellini last year.. Obviously his #’s fell off. Love his return game as well.

Did you see Ruggs HS basketball highlights?

No I was checking football. Is he good at Hoops?

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 8:23:04 PM   
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Winfield Jr. was the Big 10 defensive back of the year and the son of three-time Pro Bowl selection Antoine Winfield. He posted solid combine numbers in the 40-yard dash (4.45 seconds), vertical jump (36 inches) and broad jump (124 inches). Rotoworld's Hayden Winks ranked Winfield as his No. 49 overall prospect, noting, "Winfield’s upside is limited by his frame, but he offers enough instincts and competitiveness to be an NFL starter as long as his hamstring and foot injuries are behind him."

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 11:27:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm intrigued by Jefferson, Mims, Reagor, and Aiyuk in the first or early second, and by Pittman later in the second. I think we need a downfield speed threat to make things better for everyone, but not Hamler because of his hands. Reagor and Mims seem to fit that best, but maybe Aiyuk has a gear available. I like Pittman a lot in spite of echoes of Treadwell (which I don't think are valid) and his Pac 12 heritage (skill position players usually look much better in college than they turn out in the NFL). He just seems to have hands, heart, route running, and size. His short shuttle and other tests at the combine were really good and his 40 was good enough. Weirdly, though his speed won't take the top off the D, he may win downfield well due to contested catch skills, hands, size, etc. If we can get someone like Ruiz or Jones and a good CB who can start right away, I wouldn't mind Pittman in the second. I do think we'll have to move up to get any receiver worth having in the second, though.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/18/2020 11:29:21 PM   
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 12:14:41 AM   
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I won't be happy with this if it happens. No corner taken in the first?

https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft-Trades-143156379/

Doesn't make a lot of sense to trade up 2 spots there. Wonder what it cost us, stupid that the mock doesn't say.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 12:26:02 AM   
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I was surprised to see how fast Johnathon Taylor is.

I'm also surprised that none of the top CB's are on the list. Unless some didn't run.

I thought he was a bruiser. Had no idea he was a sub 4.4 guy.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 12:29:51 AM   
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I'm intrigued by Jefferson, Mims, Reagor, and Aiyuk in the first or early second, and by Pittman later in the second. I think we need a downfield speed threat to make things better for everyone, but not Hamler because of his hands. Reagor and Mims seem to fit that best, but maybe Aiyuk has a gear available. I like Pittman a lot in spite of echoes of Treadwell (which I don't think are valid) and his Pac 12 heritage (skill position players usually look much better in college than they turn out in the NFL). He just seems to have hands, heart, route running, and size. His short shuttle and other tests at the combine were really good and his 40 was good enough. Weirdly, though his speed won't take the top off the D, he may win downfield well due to contested catch skills, hands, size, etc. If we can get someone like Ruiz or Jones and a good CB who can start right away, I wouldn't mind Pittman in the second. I do think we'll have to move up to get any receiver worth having in the second, though.

if I were a betting man and sometimes I am I would bet on Pittman lasting until 58. Jones and one of the CB suspects plus Pittman would be a good way to start the draft. Signature.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/19/2020 12:34:46 AM   
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I won't be happy with this if it happens. No corner taken in the first?

https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft-Trades-143156379/

Mims and Jones IMO makes up for not getting a CB in the first because I think Mims can really be a difference maker and I think Jones can play guard this year before moving to tackle next. We would definitely have to take a CB with our 2nd round pick and maybe have to trade up.

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