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ORIGINAL: jbusse

It was fun to see the basement of a person who makes $40 million a year (Goodell). Belichick's war room was hard to beat:

https://kubrick.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/patriots-head-coach-bill-belichick-nfl-draft-war-room-nantucket-1587699182.jpg?resize=660:*

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ORIGINAL: Ush

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If we trade for Williams we could restructure Reiff and move him to G. If not, grab a couple in later rounds. We NEED more CB’s. Hughes has not made it through a full season injury-wise and Hill is one toke away from a season long suspension. We could also use another WR as we were still missing that 3rd guy last year before we traded Diggs so, while he has been replaced, we are still thin at that position IMO.

Hill is not one toke away from a season long suspension. New CBA took care of that. Sign Kirkpatrick to a cheap deal after the draft. Pick a developmental guy later in the draft and I think we are good with Gladney/Hill/Hughes/Boyd/Kirkpatrick/Developmental guy. Kirkpatrick also a connection to the Vikes DB coach.

I like the idea of OLine/DT and the best of Shinn (S), burner WR in the second and third rounds.

Go get em!

EDIT: Not only good but a big upgrade over last year's CB group.

Actually, his second suspension was for PED’s if I remember correctly (I’m getting old so could be wrong). I still believe he is out for a season for another violation not marijuana related. He was also suspended numerous times in college. He is hardly a sure thing to stay on the straight and narrow. I’d spend another high pick on a CB if I was making the call.

He has now stayed clean for a full year. The CBA has much longer intervals for testing now . IMO the risk has gone way down and fitzpatrick would be the insurance policy. To me Hughe's health is the bigger ? mark.

I'm glad you're not drafting - I'd rather see other holes be filled than another high pick on a CB

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

What about G though?

I think a trade for Thuney makes more sense than trading for Williams...

Reiff is still solid if not great...we need interior line...

if we could trade for Thuney...not sure for what, but that helps the line tremendously...

Maybe a multi team trade where Harris goes somewhere and our compensation for him gives us fodder for the Thuney trade

Just running ideas...

I would give up our second and a third next year for Thuney.

Oneil/Thuney/Bradbury/Samia or Collins/Udoh. I like that line a lot.

You would go into the season with Samia at RG and Collins or Udoh at RT?

That has disaster written all over it – regardless of what the coaches think.

Not only are they almost completely unproven but Collins has not stayed healthy. Hill makes more sense than either Udoh or Collins until they prove they are ready ... and Hill is not a long term answer, he is strong in a part-time roll.

Regardless of what coaches think?

Again I don't know what Kubiak and Dennison think of the internal players. Zimmer has hinted they believe they have developed a lot and may be options/in play. Hill has been productive especially on the left side and is a reasonable back up plan. We also have Jones and Dozier as back up options. An open competition would hopefully be in play. All draft picks are completely unproven until they play. If Williams with the time off is a big question mark.

We were ranked 27th against the pass last year. I don't think it would be improve on that. Just my opinion.

Yeah weird, I don't take football coaches projections as scripture.

Hill, Dozier and Jones are not starters on a decent Oline – they are valuable as back-ups with experience, especially Hill.

Samia, Udoh, and fragile Collins are developmental guys that may or may not be ready for more playing time. Its a big jump for Kubiak / Dennison / Nostradamus to declare them as our starting RG and RT.

Which they haven't done yet by the way.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

What about G though?

I think a trade for Thuney makes more sense than trading for Williams...

Reiff is still solid if not great...we need interior line...

if we could trade for Thuney...not sure for what, but that helps the line tremendously...

Maybe a multi team trade where Harris goes somewhere and our compensation for him gives us fodder for the Thuney trade

Just running ideas...

I would give up our second and a third next year for Thuney.

Oneil/Thuney/Bradbury/Samia or Collins/Udoh. I like that line a lot.

You would go into the season with Samia at RG and Collins or Udoh at RT?

That has disaster written all over it – regardless of what the coaches think.

Not only are they almost completely unproven but Collins has not stayed healthy. Hill makes more sense than either Udoh or Collins until they prove they are ready ... and Hill is not a long term answer, he is strong in a part-time roll.

Regardless of what coaches think?

Again I don't know what Kubiak and Dennison think of the internal players. Zimmer has hinted they believe they have developed a lot and may be options/in play. Hill has been productive especially on the left side and is a reasonable back up plan. We also have Jones and Dozier as back up options. An open competition would hopefully be in play. All draft picks are completely unproven until they play. If Williams with the time off is a big question mark.

We were ranked 27th against the pass last year. I don't think it would be improve on that. Just my opinion.

Yeah weird, I don't take football coaches projections as scripture.

Hill, Dozier and Jones are not starters on a decent Oline – they are valuable as back-ups with experience, especially Hill.

Samia, Udoh, and fragile Collins are developmental guys that may or may not be ready for more playing time. Its a big jump for Kubiak / Dennison / Nostradamus to declare them as our starting RG and RT.

Which they haven't done yet by the way.

So, again, we will draft the magical starters THIS year, as opposed to the last two to three years? If there is no confidence in anyone, then let's trade for Williams and or Thuney and quit pussyfooting around.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

It was fun to see the basement of a person who makes $40 million a year (Goodell). Belichick's war room was hard to beat:

https://kubrick.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/patriots-head-coach-bill-belichick-nfl-draft-war-room-nantucket-1587699182.jpg?resize=660:*

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If we trade for Williams we could restructure Reiff and move him to G. If not, grab a couple in later rounds. We NEED more CB’s. Hughes has not made it through a full season injury-wise and Hill is one toke away from a season long suspension. We could also use another WR as we were still missing that 3rd guy last year before we traded Diggs so, while he has been replaced, we are still thin at that position IMO.

Hill is not one toke away from a season long suspension. New CBA took care of that. Sign Kirkpatrick to a cheap deal after the draft. Pick a developmental guy later in the draft and I think we are good with Gladney/Hill/Hughes/Boyd/Kirkpatrick/Developmental guy. Kirkpatrick also a connection to the Vikes DB coach.

I like the idea of OLine/DT and the best of Shinn (S), burner WR in the second and third rounds.

Go get em!

EDIT: Not only good but a big upgrade over last year's CB group.

Actually, his second suspension was for PED’s if I remember correctly (I’m getting old so could be wrong). I still believe he is out for a season for another violation not marijuana related. He was also suspended numerous times in college. He is hardly a sure thing to stay on the straight and narrow. I’d spend another high pick on a CB if I was making the call.

He has now stayed clean for a full year. The CBA has much longer intervals for testing now . IMO the risk has gone way down and fitzpatrick would be the insurance policy. To me Hughe's health is the bigger ? mark.

I'm glad you're not drafting - I'd rather see other holes be filled than another high pick on a CB

You’ve lost 3 starting CB’s (Rhodes, Waynes and Alexander). You have replaced them with 1 so far (2 if they sign Fitzpatrick....if). Hughes has been injury prone, Hill has been clean a year as you say but is veeeery unproven and Gladney (I love the pick) is still a rookie. CB depth is still a huge hole.

I’m not against filling the other holes we have, I’m just saying that this is our weakest position based on our projected starters. You can make an argument for oline but we are returning 4 of our 5 starters at this point. We are returning 0 of 3 at CB. What do you do if one of the projected 3 starters gets hurt? We don’t even know who our 4th CB (who would play a lot) is at this point. I don’t think it’s crazy to grab another CB at some point tonight. Especially if we trade Trent Williams which is what my original post took into consideration.

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I'd call WAS when our pick is approaching and say, "Hey, we've got a couple of OTs targeted with our upcoming pick. Last chance to make a deal with us. You can take Reiff and a 6th round pick, Ant Harris straight up, or you can take our pick #132 (late 4th). And, you say what?"

After the 2nd round nobody believes we are going to draft an OT and start him day 1.

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I'd call WAS when our pick is approaching and say, "Hey, we've got a couple of OTs targeted with our upcoming pick. Last chance to make a deal with us. You can take Reiff and a 6th round pick, Ant Harris straight up, or you can take our pick #132 (late 4th). And, you say what?"

After the 2nd round nobody believes we are going to draft an OT and start him day 1.

I like it!
Use the leverage while you've got it man!!

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ORIGINAL: Don T in CO

I'd call WAS when our pick is approaching and say, "Hey, we've got a couple of OTs targeted with our upcoming pick. Last chance to make a deal with us. You can take Reiff and a 6th round pick, Ant Harris straight up, or you can take our pick #132 (late 4th). And, you say what?"

After the 2nd round nobody believes we are going to draft an OT and start him day 1.

I like it!
Use the leverage while you've got it man!!

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ORIGINAL: Don T in CO

I'd call WAS when our pick is approaching and say, "Hey, we've got a couple of OTs targeted with our upcoming pick. Last chance to make a deal with us. You can take Reiff and a 6th round pick, Ant Harris straight up, or you can take our pick #132 (late 4th). And, you say what?"

After the 2nd round nobody believes we are going to draft an OT and start him day 1.

I like it!
Use the leverage while you've got it man!!

I like the idea as well, but isn't our leverage that we have Reiff anyway? Williams is a starting LT and so is Reiff. Sure, Williams is better, but that is why we would have to add draft capital to the trade and pay him a larger salary.

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I'd call WAS when our pick is approaching and say, "Hey, we've got a couple of OTs targeted with our upcoming pick. Last chance to make a deal with us. You can take Reiff and a 6th round pick, Ant Harris straight up, or you can take our pick #132 (late 4th). And, you say what?"

After the 2nd round nobody believes we are going to draft an OT and start him day 1.

I like it!
Use the leverage while you've got it man!!

If we try to stick it to them too much they will just say F U. This should be a simple deal to get done without trying to humiliate them to save a round on the draft pick. Make the trade and it's win/win. Don't make it and it's lose/lose.

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It was fun to see the basement of a person who makes $40 million a year (Goodell). Belichick's war room was hard to beat:

https://kubrick.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/patriots-head-coach-bill-belichick-nfl-draft-war-room-nantucket-1587699182.jpg?resize=660:*

I was surprised how dated most of the coaches and GM's homes were.

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ORIGINAL: Justin Sampson

Good stuff as always in here guys...

I think we hit on both picks. Jefferson paired with Thielen might not miss a beat from Diggs departure.

Gladney is a bulldog and reminds me of a Winfield type corner.

Check out what Chris Simms had to say a few weeks ago concerning Jefferson, makes some good points...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-4QY4GmsKI

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ORIGINAL: Don T in CO

I'd call WAS when our pick is approaching and say, "Hey, we've got a couple of OTs targeted with our upcoming pick. Last chance to make a deal with us. You can take Reiff and a 6th round pick, Ant Harris straight up, or you can take our pick #132 (late 4th). And, you say what?"

After the 2nd round nobody believes we are going to draft an OT and start him day 1.

I like it!
Use the leverage while you've got it man!!

If we try to stick it to them too much they will just say F U. This should be a simple deal to get done without trying to humiliate them to save a round on the draft pick. Make the trade and it's win/win. Don't make it and it's lose/lose.

The bolded makes no sense. If a trade is made on agreeable terms to both clubs, both think its win/win, so that make sense. However, if the trade is not made, it is not lose/lose. In fact, the trade would probably not be made if one team does not like the final offer of the other team. So the trade will not be made if one team decides the other team's final offer is win/lose.

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If this trade doesn't get made both teams are losers. It makes too much sense to not get made. Only reason this trade won't get made is if there are fools negotiating it on one or both sides.

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GZUZ we have a FILTHY ton of picks. Until I laid it out for myself, it hadn't sunk in.

There's no way we are not getting a Williams deal unless they are refusing Reiff [shocker] and we won't do it without including him.

There's no way we are not moving up in the second and third rds ... I am desperately hoping we can trade up for ANOTHER second rd pick.

SECOND
#58

THIRD
#89
#105

FOURTH
#117
#132

FIFTH
#155
#176 (unless your last name rhymes with Johanesen, then this is a premature 6th rounder)

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#201
#205

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#219
#249
#253

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GZUZ we have a FILTHY ton of picks. Until I laid it out for myself, it hadn't sunk in.

There's no way we are not getting a Williams deal unless they are refusing Reiff [shocker] and we won't do it without including him.

There's no way we are not moving up in the second and third rds ... I am desperately hoping we can trade up for ANOTHER second rd pick.

SECOND
#58

THIRD
#89
#105

FOURTH
#117
#132

FIFTH
#155
#176 (unless your last name rhymes with Johanesen, then this is a premature 6th rounder)

SIXTH
#201
#205

SEVENTH
#219
#249
#253

LOL! I was just wondering if the correct strategy would be to load up on players with rookie contracts one year before the salary cap goes down due to the virus. I'm not saying I would do it, but I wonder if that would be the shrewdest.

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ORIGINAL: Don T in CO

I'd call WAS when our pick is approaching and say, "Hey, we've got a couple of OTs targeted with our upcoming pick. Last chance to make a deal with us. You can take Reiff and a 6th round pick, Ant Harris straight up, or you can take our pick #132 (late 4th). And, you say what?"

After the 2nd round nobody believes we are going to draft an OT and start him day 1.

I like it!
Use the leverage while you've got it man!!

If we try to stick it to them too much they will just say F U. This should be a simple deal to get done without trying to humiliate them to save a round on the draft pick. Make the trade and it's win/win. Don't make it and it's lose/lose.