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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 12:45:31 PM   
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Football practice started in ND yesterday.

It will be interesting to see how it goes.

Our school starts Aug. 26th. Masks in hallways and lunch lines or wherever you can't social distance. They can take them off in classroom(where they will be social distanced). Take into account that we only average 12-15 students per grade.

I was up fishing at Devil's Lake about a month ago.

From what i researched ND has a very small% of covid cases and most seemed to be in Fargo.

Hope it goes well up there.

There have been a few more now in rural areas. A lot more testing has been going on.


In Minnesota at least, this recent swoon in cases is purely a hype/left loving media creation.

Prove it. I would give that argument some credence if the virus weren't effecting the entire planet. It's a massive oversimplification of what is a very complex problem.

It is what Trump does. He oversimplifies things to appeal to the masses. Black and white, sells. Pick a side. Unfortunately, there is a lot of grey area in the world. He and his followers are just too shallow to see it.


The proof is in the part of the post that you didn't include. But that is what you do. Quote my entire post then I will provide the data behind it.

When your opening statement reads; "In Minnesota at least, this recent swoon in cases is purely a hype/left loving media creation.", I will respond to the claim. Anything after that is intended to substantiate your claim.

If we know anything about the Coronavirus, it's that we almost no nothing. It's a fluid situation, changing daily.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 12:53:15 PM   
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 1:07:44 PM  1 votes
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At the end of the day, the country needs to decide in November between public service and public nuisance. One of the candidates has spent his adult life in public service, while the other has been nothing but a public nuisance.

I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan on the planet, but the alternative is complete debauchery. Four years of complete embarrassment should be enough for the rational human being.


As far nuisance, trump may lose but I think the tribalism is here to stay and it will get worse. Supporters of the two major parties get their view of the world from different sources. No way a moderate will heal anything. The right for example may not have trump for a president so they will simply latch on to comments from the nutjob of the day. Todd Akin, Falwell, Hannity, Rush, Bannon, etc, etc. And probably trump the weekly radio guy.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 1:13:24 PM  1 votes
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The biggest problem besides the receding polar ice caps. Is that the plankton in the ocean is disappearing at an alarming rate.

5 REASONS TO THANK PLANKTON THAT YOU’RE ALIVE TODAY.

1. Plankton make up 95 per cent of ocean life
2. They form the base of aquatic food webs
3. They generate half of the atmosphere’s oxygen
4. They help absorb carbon emissions
5. But our increasing emissions are harming them

Shhhhhhhhh. Don't throw reality at the boy. He's got his hands full with COVID-19. Only one disaster at a time.

We have completely lost our way as a country. When you start putting your financial desires over the health and well-being of your kids and society, you have really failed miserably as a nation.

But, you have the other side pandering for votes without any regard for people's safety. Sitting on your hands watching a mob do 55B dollars in damage to a city and its people should automatically disqualify you from public office.


As far as I'm concerned it does. I'll be voting strictly party line repub, including Trump. And this from a middle of the road, left leaning guy, all the way up to Hillary.

The continuing riots in Portland, Seattle, and elsewhere, coupled with the movement to defund the police, have moved many voters toward the right.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 1:16:16 PM   
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Not according to the polls.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 1:20:35 PM   
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Not according to the polls.


I think the polls were trending to Biden but either stopped or reversed after the debacles in Seattle and Portland (the latter involved the feds which complicated the mix).

IMO the most idiotic thing was that initial group of people (city council (?), others) holding the rally with the "Defund the Police" banner. No thought to using a better choice of words, no plan, no forethought, just stupidity. Yet the term spread like wildfire.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 1:33:16 PM   
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Not according to the polls.


I think the polls were trending to Biden but either stopped or reversed after the debacles in Seattle and Portland (the latter involved the feds which complicated the mix).

IMO the most idiotic thing was that initial group of people (city council (?), others) holding the rally with the "Defund the Police" banner. No thought to using a better choice of words, no plan, no forethought, just stupidity. Yet the term spread like wildfire.

Nope. The latest fivethirtyeight composite has Biden leading Trump 50.4 to 42. Pretty much where they have been for quite awhile now.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 1:36:33 PM   
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Not according to the polls.

Are they more accurate than they were in 2016? NYT gave Hillary an 85% chance to win as of Nov. 8, election day. FiveThirtyEight had her at 71%.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 1:41:31 PM   
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Not according to the polls.

Are they more accurate than they were in 2016? NYT gave Hillary an 85% chance to win as of Nov. 8, election day. FiveThirtyEight had her at 71%.

Probably more so because fivethirtyeight updated their algorithms. Also, Clinton never enjoyed leads like Biden is holding now. Finally, in the final column before the 2016 election, Silver pointed to the rapidly growing probability of Clinton winning the popular vote and Trump winning the electoral vote.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 1:49:30 PM   
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Not according to the polls.


I think the polls were trending to Biden but either stopped or reversed after the debacles in Seattle and Portland (the latter involved the feds which complicated the mix).

IMO the most idiotic thing was that initial group of people (city council (?), others) holding the rally with the "Defund the Police" banner. No thought to using a better choice of words, no plan, no forethought, just stupidity. Yet the term spread like wildfire.

Nope. The latest fivethirtyeight composite has Biden leading Trump 50.4 to 42. Pretty much where they have been for quite awhile now.


And pretty much the same lead Hillary had over Trump at this time 4 years ago.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 1:53:56 PM   
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Not according to the polls.


I think the polls were trending to Biden but either stopped or reversed after the debacles in Seattle and Portland (the latter involved the feds which complicated the mix).

IMO the most idiotic thing was that initial group of people (city council (?), others) holding the rally with the "Defund the Police" banner. No thought to using a better choice of words, no plan, no forethought, just stupidity. Yet the term spread like wildfire.

Nope. The latest fivethirtyeight composite has Biden leading Trump 50.4 to 42. Pretty much where they have been for quite awhile now.


And pretty much the same lead Hillary had over Trump at this time 4 years ago.

Nope. Not even close. Hillary's leads fluctuated from 4 to 7. Biden's leads have fluctuated from 8 to double digits. Hillary also never came to close to having 50%. Biden is also winning demographics this time around that Trump won by as much as 15% four years ago. It isn't the same at all.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 1:54:53 PM  1 votes
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Not according to the polls.

Are they more accurate than they were in 2016? NYT gave Hillary an 85% chance to win as of Nov. 8, election day. FiveThirtyEight had her at 71%.

Probably more so because fivethirtyeight updated their algorithms. Also, Clinton never enjoyed leads like Biden is holding now. Finally, in the final column before the 2016 election, Silver pointed to the rapidly growing probability of Clinton winning the popular vote and Trump winning the electoral vote.

Those are all good points. But what no poll can accurately account for is the Trump supporter that won't admit it in public.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 2:02:20 PM   
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Not according to the polls.

Are they more accurate than they were in 2016? NYT gave Hillary an 85% chance to win as of Nov. 8, election day. FiveThirtyEight had her at 71%.

Probably more so because fivethirtyeight updated their algorithms. Also, Clinton never enjoyed leads like Biden is holding now. Finally, in the final column before the 2016 election, Silver pointed to the rapidly growing probability of Clinton winning the popular vote and Trump winning the electoral vote.

Those are all good points. But what no poll can accurately account for is the Trump supporter that won't admit it in public.

That theory has also been debunked. Not to mention, there would be no need to hide Trump support in a poll. They are anonymous.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 2:06:43 PM   
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Not according to the polls.


I think the polls were trending to Biden but either stopped or reversed after the debacles in Seattle and Portland (the latter involved the feds which complicated the mix).

IMO the most idiotic thing was that initial group of people (city council (?), others) holding the rally with the "Defund the Police" banner. No thought to using a better choice of words, no plan, no forethought, just stupidity. Yet the term spread like wildfire.

Nope. The latest fivethirtyeight composite has Biden leading Trump 50.4 to 42. Pretty much where they have been for quite awhile now.


And pretty much the same lead Hillary had over Trump at this time 4 years ago.

Nope. Not even close. Hillary's leads fluctuated from 4 to 7. Biden's leads have fluctuated from 8 to double digits. Hillary also never came to close to having 50%. Biden is also winning demographics this time around that Trump won by as much as 15% four years ago. It isn't the same at all.


Really here's various polls from the same time period 4 years ago, the last # the Hillary lead.

UPI/CVoter[227] August 11–17, 2016 50% 46% 4
UPI/CVoter[228] August 9–16, 2016 51% 44% 7
Ipsos/Reuters[229] August 11–15, 2016 41% 35% 6
Normington, Petts & Associates[230] August 9–15, 2016 50% 40% 10
UPI/CVoter[231] August 9–15, 2016 51% 44% 7
Morning Consult[232] August 11–14, 2016 44% 37% 7
NBC News/SurveyMonkey[233] August 8–14, 2016 50% 41% 9

So 7 polls, average Hillary 7.1% lead. Maybe a little bit close.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 2:07:31 PM   
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Not according to the polls.

Are they more accurate than they were in 2016? NYT gave Hillary an 85% chance to win as of Nov. 8, election day. FiveThirtyEight had her at 71%.

Probably more so because fivethirtyeight updated their algorithms. Also, Clinton never enjoyed leads like Biden is holding now. Finally, in the final column before the 2016 election, Silver pointed to the rapidly growing probability of Clinton winning the popular vote and Trump winning the electoral vote.

Those are all good points. But what no poll can accurately account for is the Trump supporter that won't admit it in public.

If early rallies are an indicator, the base isn't there like it was in 2016. His opening rally in Tulsa was at about 30% capacity.


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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 2:09:36 PM   
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Not according to the polls.


I think the polls were trending to Biden but either stopped or reversed after the debacles in Seattle and Portland (the latter involved the feds which complicated the mix).

IMO the most idiotic thing was that initial group of people (city council (?), others) holding the rally with the "Defund the Police" banner. No thought to using a better choice of words, no plan, no forethought, just stupidity. Yet the term spread like wildfire.

Nope. The latest fivethirtyeight composite has Biden leading Trump 50.4 to 42. Pretty much where they have been for quite awhile now.


And pretty much the same lead Hillary had over Trump at this time 4 years ago.

Nope. Not even close. Hillary's leads fluctuated from 4 to 7. Biden's leads have fluctuated from 8 to double digits. Hillary also never came to close to having 50%. Biden is also winning demographics this time around that Trump won by as much as 15% four years ago. It isn't the same at all.


Really here's various polls from the same time period 4 years ago, the last # the Hillary lead.

UPI/CVoter[227] August 11–17, 2016 50% 46% 4
UPI/CVoter[228] August 9–16, 2016 51% 44% 7
Ipsos/Reuters[229] August 11–15, 2016 41% 35% 6
Normington, Petts & Associates[230] August 9–15, 2016 50% 40% 10
UPI/CVoter[231] August 9–15, 2016 51% 44% 7
Morning Consult[232] August 11–14, 2016 44% 37% 7
NBC News/SurveyMonkey[233] August 8–14, 2016 50% 41% 9

So 7 polls, average Hillary 7.1% lead. Maybe a little bit close.

Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-is-polling-better-than-clinton-at-her-peak/

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 2:10:29 PM   
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The Democrats are completely capable of blowing any election. One of the keynote speakers at the national convention will be Hillary Clinton. That's a start.

One can only ask, why?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 2:17:55 PM   
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The Democrats are completely capable of blowing any election. One of the keynote speakers at the national convention will be Hillary Clinton. That's a start.

One can only ask, why?

Oh, they have show the ability to f*** up a one care parade. Things are rather promising for them at this point.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 2:41:51 PM   
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The Democrats are completely capable of blowing any election. One of the keynote speakers at the national convention will be Hillary Clinton. That's a start.

One can only ask, why?


Gawd, no kidding.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 2:45:52 PM   
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Not according to the polls.


I think the polls were trending to Biden but either stopped or reversed after the debacles in Seattle and Portland (the latter involved the feds which complicated the mix).

IMO the most idiotic thing was that initial group of people (city council (?), others) holding the rally with the "Defund the Police" banner. No thought to using a better choice of words, no plan, no forethought, just stupidity. Yet the term spread like wildfire.

Nope. The latest fivethirtyeight composite has Biden leading Trump 50.4 to 42. Pretty much where they have been for quite awhile now.


And pretty much the same lead Hillary had over Trump at this time 4 years ago.

Nope. Not even close. Hillary's leads fluctuated from 4 to 7. Biden's leads have fluctuated from 8 to double digits. Hillary also never came to close to having 50%. Biden is also winning demographics this time around that Trump won by as much as 15% four years ago. It isn't the same at all.


Really here's various polls from the same time period 4 years ago, the last # the Hillary lead.

UPI/CVoter[227] August 11–17, 2016 50% 46% 4
UPI/CVoter[228] August 9–16, 2016 51% 44% 7
Ipsos/Reuters[229] August 11–15, 2016 41% 35% 6
Normington, Petts & Associates[230] August 9–15, 2016 50% 40% 10
UPI/CVoter[231] August 9–15, 2016 51% 44% 7
Morning Consult[232] August 11–14, 2016 44% 37% 7
NBC News/SurveyMonkey[233] August 8–14, 2016 50% 41% 9

So 7 polls, average Hillary 7.1% lead. Maybe a little bit close.

Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-is-polling-better-than-clinton-at-her-peak/


So the polls are even closer than my numbers show.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 2:54:11 PM   
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The Democrats are completely capable of blowing any election. One of the keynote speakers at the national convention will be Hillary Clinton. That's a start.

One can only ask, why?

Oh, they have show the ability to f*** up a one care parade. Things are rather promising for them at this point.


"We'll show those despicables yet! er wait was that the deplorables? No matter!"
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 3:22:16 PM   
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Not according to the polls.

Are they more accurate than they were in 2016? NYT gave Hillary an 85% chance to win as of Nov. 8, election day. FiveThirtyEight had her at 71%.

Probably more so because fivethirtyeight updated their algorithms. Also, Clinton never enjoyed leads like Biden is holding now. Finally, in the final column before the 2016 election, Silver pointed to the rapidly growing probability of Clinton winning the popular vote and Trump winning the electoral vote.

Those are all good points. But what no poll can accurately account for is the Trump supporter that won't admit it in public.

That theory has also been debunked. Not to mention, there would be no need to hide Trump support in a poll. They are anonymous.

An anonymous poll may not be perceived as such. Cancel culture being what it is, why take the risk? That would be the argument for polls underestimating support for Trump.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 3:38:45 PM   
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The argument is more along the lines of many are embarrassed and ashamed to say they will vote for him. Not all mind you. Then there are the despicable deplorables!

He's still holding at 80% among the Christian Conservatives. If I was one of those people, I would never admit to supporting him.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 3:43:34 PM   
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The Democrats are completely capable of blowing any election. One of the keynote speakers at the national convention will be Hillary Clinton. That's a start.

One can only ask, why?


Gawd, no kidding.

WTF

Just can't help themselves.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/11/2020 3:46:42 PM   
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The Democrats are completely capable of blowing any election. One of the keynote speakers at the national convention will be Hillary Clinton. That's a start.

One can only ask, why?

That's akin to having Les Steckel represent the Vikings in some national event.
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